Mike Zimmer should be fired.

[Hollywood Henderson]

Moss DID have a HUGE day and was a big part of it...
Please stop just watching the scoreboard...
zimmy never causes anypressure, we have a TON of talent on D and he has no clue how to use it...NEVER has, no suprise here fella's...

Yes, if Ware is out there, he should have KILLED Moss within the rules in a 5 yard area...A good coach would teach that...
Doomsday will return, but not until Squiggy is anywhere but here...

Let's see. Zimmer's D kept Moss from having a huge day. Sure that long pass hurt the numbers but Moss was contained for the rest of the day. Lamont Jordan got off and that was a shame but the Raider's O didn't beat us. A lack of offensive execution did. When your O isn't firing right you should be lucky to win any games -- stop expecting Zimmer to win games with the D.

 

[joseephuss]

Moss DID have a HUGE day and was a big part of it...
Please stop just watching the scoreboard...
zimmy never causes anypressure, we have a TON of talent on D and he has no clue how to use it...NEVER has, no suprise here fella's...

Yes, if Ware is out there, he should have KILLED Moss within the rules in a 5 yard area...A good coach would teach that...
Doomsday will return, but not until Squiggy is anywhere but here...

How about the rookie is just playing like a rookie? A good coach can teach everything, but rookies are going to get big eyes and screw up. I am sure everyone is teaching Ware not to be offsides, but he his. Something to improve on. This defense is making strides. That can be seen.

 

[Hiero]

why ware gave moss a lovetap instead of an absolute mugging is beyond me, but hopefully he learned his lesson.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Yeah, let's fire Zimmer for holding the Raiders to 19 points on their home field. And the Eagles should fire their D-Coordinator because they let the Raiders score 20 in their own house.

Some of you guys are regular comedians.

Philly won though. WE didnt have a good pass rush. Zimmer makes our defense look timid out there

 

[Mash]

Zimmer continues to make below average QB's look like all pros.......If I was a back up QB.....the dream place to come into a game would be against a Zimmer defence....the tape you watched the nite before would be a replica of what u see on the field......and I wouldn't get my nice new jersey dirty.....

 

[AmericasTeam31]

The 3-4 is what put Ware on the slot, his job was to jam and re-route the WR HE WAS NOT COVERING MOSS!

It is what is going to happen if you stay 3-4 and they go 3 wide. The slot is going to have LB and safety coverage.

I'm glad someone caught on to that before I got here. It was a zone defense. If you want to lay blame for that one put it on Roy. He was sucked up on the underneath reciever and let Moss get behind him. Oh by the way is Newman the fastest man in the NFL, or what? Only one more game against a team with a reciever named Moss. We should end the season at 13-3. That would be great

 

[panchucko]

It is a plot by Jerry and Zimmer, they are trying to make B.P. look bad.
Then Jerry is going to fire Bill, Zimmer will take over.
Jerry will start to get credit for being a football man.

 

[blindzebra]

I'm glad someone caught on to that before I got here. It was a zone defense. If you want to lay blame for that one put it on Roy. He was sucked up on the underneath reciever and let Moss get behind him. Oh by the way is Newman the fastest man in the NFL, or what? Only one more game against a team with a reciever named Moss. We should end the season at 13-3. That would be great

The coverage was Ware and Davis, not Williams.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

The coverage was Ware and Davis, not Williams.

Are you kidding me? If you watch the play as they show it on Sports Center, they put the camera on Moss and follow him across the field. When he crosses the middle of the field, he becomes Williams guy to cover. Roy either bit on the play fake or was concerned with the reciever on front of him and let Moss get behind him. That defeats the purpose of a zone defense, which is to keep the play infront of you, so you can make a play. Watch it again.

 

[Vertigo_17]

zimmer should move back to secondary coach

 

[blindzebra]

Are you kidding me? If you watch the play as they show it on Sports Center, they put the camera on Moss and follow him across the field. When he crosses the middle of the field, he becomes Williams guy to cover. Roy either bit on the play fake or was concerned with the reciever on front of him and let Moss get behind him. That defeats the purpose of a zone defense, which is to keep the play infront of you, so you can make a play. Watch it again.

I've seen it several times and Davis was who had Moss after the lame jam by Ware.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

I've seen it several times and Davis was who had Moss after the lame jam by Ware.

IMO you're mistaken. It was a cover 2 defense. When the man leaves Davis' zone it's no longer his responsibility. I've seen others on the board say that Collins even stated the same thing on his website.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

How about the rookie is just playing like a rookie? A good coach can teach everything, but rookies are going to get big eyes and screw up. I am sure everyone is teaching Ware not to be offsides, but he his. Something to improve on. This defense is making strides. That can be seen.

Nope, not in the pros, not those simple mistakes vs their best weapon...
Those are coaching mess ups that get you beat...again & again!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've seen it several times and Davis was who had Moss after the lame jam by Ware.

And then waited until Moss was running by him before reacting. He is biting onplayaction that isnt even there is what it looks like.

Between him and the right side of our front 7 getting killed, it was a long day.

 

[joseephuss]

Nope, not in the pros, not those simple mistakes vs their best weapon...
Those are coaching mess ups that get you beat...again & again!

Again and again? If Ware was making the same mistake again and again, then why didn't Moss have several 79 yard plays in the game. They kept putting Ware out there on Moss and he seemed to do a better job. They even mixed up the coverage so Moss wasn't always lined up against a linebacker. You can't take away that Moss toasted the team once, but you have to give credit to the defense for holding Moss from that point on. If the defense keeps making simplge mistakes, then how did they hold Collins to his lowest output of the season at 218 yards, 0 TDs and his lowest rating of the year. Mistakes were made, but they weren't the same ones over and over. Seems like the defense actually learned something.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Are you kidding me? If you watch the play as they show it on Sports Center, they put the camera on Moss and follow him across the field. When he crosses the middle of the field, he becomes Williams guy to cover. Roy either bit on the play fake or was concerned with the reciever on front of him and let Moss get behind him. That defeats the purpose of a zone defense, which is to keep the play infront of you, so you can make a play. Watch it again.

On the postgame show, Davis hinted, or more than hinted, that you are correct. He said Roy got caught up and was a little late.

He then said they were a team and they had each other's backs, etc., but I guess he wanted to defend himself a little after that Niners game.

 

[Vertigo_17]

Bottom line - we need a FS. Not two SS's.

Please, somebody cover someone

 

[joseephuss]

Bottom line - we need a FS. Not two SS's.

Please, somebody cover someone

The SS has to cover guys as well. They just need to do their job. If they do that they will cut down on the big plays. Get a FS and they may get more turnovers. For now I will settle for just preventing a few big gainers.

 

[Vertigo_17]

Agree'd but having a DE and SS cover Randy Moss?

Ole Zimmy's a pioneer on this one.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nope, not in the pros, not those simple mistakes vs their best weapon...
Those are coaching mess ups that get you beat...again & again!

I understand that this will be a difficult concept for you to understand but Moss lined up on the weakside and well Davis and Ware play on the weakside. That is why they were lined up.

If we would have gone nickel and made 10 yards here you would have been whining about how good DCs dictate to the offense what they can do blah blah blah.

You talk out both sides of your mouth so you can complain no matter what happens.

Ware missed his jam and Davis was acting like he was seeing plaction AGAIN.

Is that Zimmer's, Gibb's or Rodger's fault? It very well could have been but when the players obviously fail to execute the proper technique for the playcall to have a chance to be successful dont sit there and talk about coaching schemes or whatever.

The big problem and I really felt that this was the case before is that teams can pretty much run right over Singleton and Ellis at will. Its sad how badly they are getting blown up.

There are no question that changes need to be made. Your idea of the solution is to fire Zimmer and like the wave of a magic wand it will get better. To me its about benching Davis' sorry *** for good and sitting Singleton down as well. Replace the starting unit with Pile, Ferguson, Canty and Fujita/Burnett and relegate Glover/Ellis to passing downs.

Teams have figured out that we dont have the size to stop them from running right. Its obvious. Talking of schemes is asenine at this point.