Mike Zimmer vs Jason Garrett

[Kevinicus]

people hated him in 04 and 05...then in december of 06 they really hated him.

The thing I will never forget is he was the guy giving out inside info to the local media blasting parcells. Zimmer was on with deion after the 06 season and he knew he would not be back in 07 and he went on and on about how parcells never got him players and none of the corners could cover. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He had like 6 #1 draft picks on that defense, granted in 05 they changed schemes and zimmer was kind of learning the scheme as he went that year but still. Parcells never said a negative word about the guy and he himself took the blame those years when the defense struggled.

I wish espn 103.3 would have podcasted some of those old shows but the are long gone.

anyway, all these people pining for zimmer were singing a different tune when the 04 team fell apart and rookie Roethlisberger took the steelers right down the field to win at the end of the game and then losing late in the year to New Orleans in a critical game.

he is a good coach but I will never understand the envy. The one that got away who fit in this city and with the personnel we had especially after Romo took over was Sean Payton. Its a borderline travesty that one more year and he would have taken over. Who knows what would have been? yes he has had below average seasons but in that moment with that talented roster he would have been great. We most likely have a championship if Payton was the guy in 07.

Some of us liked Zimmer then, and still like him now. He was/is a great coach and GROZ was dumb.

 

[Longboysfan]

the rams are extremely talented and had a great draft.

When you're picking in the top 10 for a few years you get talent.
Some coaches apply it - others don't.

 

[theebs]

When you're picking in the top 10 for a few years you get talent.
Some coaches apply it - others don't.

very true.

The browns should be a dynasty by now. Imagine watching wentz as a browns fan? Its unbelievable they didnt want goff or wentz.

 

[Vanilla2]

I bet this place was full of rueing and misery when Zimmer left.

 

[Longboysfan]

I bet this place was full of rueing and misery when Zimmer left.

There was a healthy discussion if he should have been HC.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There was a healthy discussion if he should have been HC.

More like there was a GROZ movement that blamed him for everything. I am willing to bet that it is the same people that are acting like firing Garrett would solve all of our ills.

 

[Wolfpack]

Zimmer is a good solid football guy.

When he was here, Jerry made him learn the Cover 2 defense (while Campo was HC) because that was the hot defense back then with Tampa wining the SB. He did it over one season and switched the defense over to it, with little talent. Bill comes in and I think the idea of keeping Zimmer was Jerry's, but then he learns a totally new old school 3-4 scheme. That was impressive, to learn 2 new defenses in about 4 years, I'm sure that has helped make him a better coach.

The play calls on defense with the 3-4 were also bad with him for some reason. Remember the Cover 0 blitz where they would bring everyone at weird times? (and they totally never tried to disguise it).

 

[khiladi]

Zimmer has proven me wrong since he left to Dallas. He was extremely conservative here and we could not get to the QB.

We got abused in 2006 by the Saints and Detroit.

Of course Parcells was extremely controlling, but that could have been a reason and he was forced to play defensive schemes like @Wolfpack mentioned from above.

 

[khiladi]

people hated him in 04 and 05...then in december of 06 they really hated him.

The thing I will never forget is he was the guy giving out inside info to the local media blasting parcells. Zimmer was on with deion after the 06 season and he knew he would not be back in 07 and he went on and on about how parcells never got him players and none of the corners could cover. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. He had like 6 #1 draft picks on that defense, granted in 05 they changed schemes and zimmer was kind of learning the scheme as he went that year but still. Parcells never said a negative word about the guy and he himself took the blame those years when the defense struggled.

I wish espn 103.3 would have podcasted some of those old shows but the are long gone.

anyway, all these people pining for zimmer were singing a different tune when the 04 team fell apart and rookie Roethlisberger took the steelers right down the field to win at the end of the game and then losing late in the year to New Orleans in a critical game.

he is a good coach but I will never understand the envy. The one that got away who fit in this city and with the personnel we had especially after Romo took over was Sean Payton. Its a borderline travesty that one more year and he would have taken over. Who knows what would have been? yes he has had below average seasons but in that moment with that talented roster he would have been great. We most likely have a championship if Payton was the guy in 07.

I agree.. Payton hurt way more than Zimmer, considering our circumstances..

 

[khiladi]

In 2013 the Vikings allowed the most points in the NFL - even more than the train wreck Cowboys - and finished with only 5 wins. Mike Zimmer hired for 2014.

2014 - Adrian Peterson missed all but one game due to suspension. The Vikings still improved to 7 wins as defense went from 32nd to 11th in points allowed.

2015 - 11 wins, division champs, 5th in points allowed.

2016 - Lost Teddy Bridgewater in TC. Went 8-8, 6th in points allowed.

2017 - 9-2 with Case Keenum playing QB and RB Dalvin Cook out for the season. 6th in points allowed.

Meanwhile, Garrett still has one of the worst defenses in the league and the offense falls apart without Zeke.

It's not "a process", it's coaching.

Another point you didn’t mention is Norv Turner quit in the season, so it was another adjustment he needed to make.

 

[Wolfpack]

Dont forget that Zimmer has been a football coach since like 1980...that's 37 years of coaching. Compare that to Garrett's resume.

 

[Wolfpack]

Zimmer has proven me wrong since he left to Dallas. He was extremely conservative here and we could not get to the QB.

We got abused in 2006 by the Saints and Detroit.

Of course Parcells was extremely controlling, but that could have been a reason and he was forced to play defensive schemes like @Wolfpack mentioned from above.

Yes Bill kept both of his coordinators on a real short lease. You know he was worried about a game when he would let Sean open up the offense, he knew he was gonna need to score a lot of points to win.

 

[dallasdave]

In 2013 the Vikings allowed the most points in the NFL - even more than the train wreck Cowboys - and finished with only 5 wins. Mike Zimmer hired for 2014.

2014 - Adrian Peterson missed all but one game due to suspension. The Vikings still improved to 7 wins as defense went from 32nd to 11th in points allowed.

2015 - 11 wins, division champs, 5th in points allowed.

2016 - Lost Teddy Bridgewater in TC. Went 8-8, 6th in points allowed.

2017 - 9-2 with Case Keenum playing QB and RB Dalvin Cook out for the season. 6th in points allowed.

Meanwhile, Garrett still has one of the worst defenses in the league and the offense falls apart without Zeke.

It's not "a process", it's coaching.

The last Dallas had of that was when Jimmy was here.

 

[dallasdave]

There is no Jerry Jones in Minnesota also. That's a big part of it too.

Time for a change.

 

[dallasdave]

zimmer comes up with innovative defensive schemes.
garrett claps and throws players under the bus.

And he claps

 

[waldoputty]

And he claps

did u vote yet?

 

[dallasdave]

did u vote yet?

No I just clapped

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dont forget that Zimmer has been a football coach since like 1980...that's 37 years of coaching. Compare that to Garrett's resume.

Not only that but he served under two great defensive minds in Parcells and Lewis. Garrett served under Saban for a cup of coffee and Wade "I don't do offense" Phillips.

He was initially billed as an intelligent fresh mind on the scene and has evolved into an ultraconservative motivator.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

did u vote yet?

I didn't but that is because that is anathema to how I go about making decisions. They are not made in a vacuum like that and frankly acting rashly without a plan for what comes after is plain dumb.

 

[waldoputty]

Not only that but he served under two great defensive minds in Parcells and Lewis. Garrett served under Saban for a cup of coffee and Wade "I don't do offense" Phillips.

He was initially billed as an intelligent fresh mind on the scene and has evolved into an ultraconservative motivator.

backstabbing throwing players under the bus too