Miles Austin tid bit

[ThreeSportStar80]

Ray Sherman definitely deserves some credit here. He's one coach I definitely don't want to see leave if Wade gets the axe this year because of the potential he can bring out in Ogletree down the road, possibly, or any other drafted WRs for that matter.

Ray Sherman should be the WRs coach for a while...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

good thing Bill did his homework, and asked around the league before finally deciding to keep Austin around

 

[Gemini Dolly]

Correct me if Im way off, but wasnt it last training camp Romo was saying how there was this receiver that he felt was going to be doing big things or something like that, but he did not want to put a name out there. Later, it was revealed Romo was talking about Austin.

Did I get that right?

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Correct me if Im way off, but wasnt it last training camp Romo was saying how there was this receiver that he felt was going to be doing big things or something like that, but he did not want to put a name out there. Later, it was revealed Romo was talking a Austin.

Did I get that right?

You are correct....

 

[67CowboysFan]

Correct me if Im way off, but wasnt it last training camp Romo was saying how there was this receiver that he felt was going to be doing big things or something like that, but he did not want to put a name out there. Later, it was revealed Romo was talking about Austin.

Did I get that right?

He was talking highly about Ogletree during the preseason too. Maybe we are about to turn the corner and make a long term run at multiple playoff years.

 

[Eskimo]

He was talking highly about Ogletree during the preseason too. Maybe we are about to turn the corner and make a long term run at multiple playoff years.

Ogletree is a much more polished product than Austin was at similar stages of their careers. I'm hoping that Ogletree gets a chance to play some snaps this year and hopefully be ready to take over the #2 WR spot next year after we release Roy Williams.

And let this be a lesson to the Cowboys - you don't give big money to mediocre players. After a player has been in the league for 5 years you don't pay for potential - you pay for actual proven production.

 

[theogt]

Ogletree is a much more polished product than Austin was at similar stages of their careers. I'm hoping that Ogletree gets a chance to play some snaps this year and hopefully be ready to take over the #2 WR spot next year after we release Roy Williams.

And let this be a lesson to the Cowboys - you don't give big money to mediocre players. After a player has been in the league for 5 years you don't pay for potential - you pay for actual proven production.

There have only been a handful of players that have produced more than Roy Williams did at WR in their first 4 season in the NFL.

 

[Eskimo]

There have only been a handful of players that have produced more than Roy Williams did at WR in their first 4 season in the NFL.

We also generally can assume that more recent data is generally more predictive than older data unless there is reason to explain the deviation from older statistics.

I claimed from the beginning the RoyW was going to tank because he was a lazy, sloppy player who would tank it once he got a big contract. I also disliked the trade because I thought he would be available for free (no picks) in the offseason.

I am just furious that Jerry has refused to hire a GM and continues to make boneheaded decisions like the trade for Roy Williams. The fact that Roy has failed to a degree that I could never have even imagined just makes me madder about it all. If I could see it so plainly, why couldn't the GM of the Dallas Cowboys. The fact that is the GM proves that Dallas is far from a meritocracy and that is proven continously on the football field.

 

[theogt]

We also generally can assume that more recent data is generally more predictive than older data unless there is reason to explain the deviation from older statistics.

I claimed from the beginning the RoyW was going to tank because he was a lazy, sloppy player who would tank it once he got a big contract. I also disliked the trade because I thought he would be available for free (no picks) in the offseason.

I am just furious that Jerry has refused to hire a GM and continues to make boneheaded decisions like the trade for Roy Williams. The fact that Roy has failed to a degree that I could never have even imagined just makes me madder about it all. If I could see it so plainly, why couldn't the GM of the Dallas Cowboys. The fact that is the GM proves that Dallas is far from a meritocracy and that is proven continously on the football field.

Ah, but here's where your argument stumbles. You claimed from the beginning. But at that time, he was one of the most productive WRs in the league over his first four seasons.

So your complaint quite obviously could not have been about production at that point. Your specific complaint changes to suit whatever might sound convincing at the moment, in order to fit your general complaint, which is quite obvious that you just don't like the guy.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Undrafted QB throwing to an undrafted WR with eye popping results.

I love our GM.

 

[Eskimo]

Ah, but here's where your argument stumbles. You claimed from the beginning. But at that time, he was one of the most productive WRs in the league over his first four seasons.

So your complaint quite obviously could not have been about production at that point. Your specific complaint changes to suit whatever might sound convincing at the moment, in order to fit your general complaint, which is quite obvious that you just don't like the guy.

My level of dislike for the trade has only increased as the results of the trade have unfolded. This will always be the case in life where we make decisions based on the information we had at the time but reformulate it as more information becomes available.

I never liked the trade because I thought it wouldn't improve the team much, Roy Williams would probably have been available as a UFA at the end of the season and we needed those draft picks for other areas of weakness on the team like OL depth, DBs, etc. I also disliked the trade because RoyW had always been tagged with the lazy, underachiever label which is not what you want to hear about your employee.

I will freely admit he has performed far worse than I ever could have imagined. I thought he'd likely produce 700-900 yards receiving a season just like he had before the trade. I didn't expect him to suddenly bloom into a dominant receiver because he lacked the work ethic for me to ever expect that out of him.

I really want to put this whole RoyW situation behind us. The best way to do that is simply to release him free of salary cap impact at the end of the season. That way this diversion will be behind us all - much like the whole Quincy fiasco.

Now if Roy manages to turn it around before the end of the season then so be it and you were right and I was wrong. There is no point in releasing him right now because our backups are so green. I would like to see Hurd and Ogletree get some reps so we can get some idea of what they can produce. The case on Hurd is almost closed now - he is a ST player and little else. I would still like to see how ready Ogletree is to step up and become a starter next year to see if we need to dip into the FA market again.

 

[theogt]

And you completely side-stepped the argument.

 

[Eskimo]

And you completely side-stepped the argument.

And you've ignored my reply.

The initial reasons why I disliked the trade were that:

1. He was not an upper echelon WR in the league in his fifth season which is usually when a great WR should be peaking. He just hadn't progressed to becoming a dominant #1 type of WR despite his initial promising start - especially his second year.

2. We already were pretty good at WR slot and I thought highly of Miles Austin at that time to become our deep threat.

3. We had other weakness on the team that I wanted addressed in the draft.

4. I don't think it is wise to give big money to players who have a reputation for being lazy.

5. I thought he would be a UFA at the end of the season so even if we wanted him, it made sense to wait until the end of the year and then sign him. I thought the threat of Detroit franchising him was minimal and was merely posturing to strengthen their position in trading him.

The added reasons for why I dislike the trade are:

1. He has severely regressed as a WR in his routes. Some of the worst I have ever seen.

2. He has a me-first attitude best exemplified by his indifference/annoyance to the emergence of Miles Austin as a gamebreaking threat at WR.

3. He has developed a bad case of alligator arms - not good for a possession WR who can't generation much separation.

4. He has had some dropsies this year - still a small sample size - will need to see if the trend persists.

5. The tolerance of his open annoyance with his lack of production and incessant implication that is due to Tony Romo undermines his ability to act as the leader of the offensive unit. Getting rid of TO was a good start to repairing what ills this team, but there is another ticking timebomb in the form of Roy Williams that is presently festering in the lockerroom. There is no need to tolerate this kind of attitude from a guy producing at the level of a scrub.

RoyW still has some time to prove my assertions wrong. If he doesn't, I want his malcontent *** off of the team in the offseason.

 

[theogt]

And you've ignored my reply.

The initial reasons why I disliked the trade were that:

1. He was not an upper echelon WR in the league in his fifth season which is usually when a great WR should be peaking. He just hadn't progressed to becoming a dominant #1 type of WR despite his initial promising start - especially his second year.

Again, he was one of the most productive WRs over his first four seasons in the league. And we traded for him in his fifth season. If your argument is production, you've lost before you even began.

2. We already were pretty good at WR slot and I thought highly of Miles Austin at that time to become our deep threat.

I thought highly of Austin as well. But nobody should have been willing to stake the future on him at that point. It's a convenient argument now that Austin has broken out, but at the time it would have been idiotic unless you had a crystal ball.

3. We had other weakness on the team that I wanted addressed in the draft.

This is precisely one of the best arguments FOR trading for Roy. There weren't many players in the draft that were going to help us with those picks. It was a very poor draft.

4. I don't think it is wise to give big money to players who have a reputation for being lazy.

I get it that you think he's lazy. I also get it that you're just wrong about this. Very clearly he's not lazy.

5. I thought he would be a UFA at the end of the season so even if we wanted him, it made sense to wait until the end of the year and then sign him. I thought the threat of Detroit franchising him was minimal and was merely posturing to strengthen their position in trading him.

Detroit most certainly would have franchised him. And they most certainly would have gotten at least a first out of him in they would have franchised him, likely more.

The added reasons for why I dislike the trade are:

The rest I couldn't care less about because they have nothing to do with the trade.

 

[Eldorado]

I've said it numerous times, mostly because I'm quite proud of the fact, but I grew up idolizing him at Monmouth University, a quick bike-ride from my house. He's a class act, always awesome to all of the fans, well spoken.. he comes from a great family, too. My friend knows the Austin's quite well, and he says they are all great people.

I'm so glad that my idol plays for my favorite team, and is now making a difference. Yeah, baby!

 

[JBond]

I actually feel good about Austin. He's going to come back to Earth...hard, but from the looks of the things he's our best WR. The physical talent is obviously no mirage. Dude's a burner and the more I see of him, the more I'm convinced that he might be the most powerful WR on the team. The way he grabbed that ball out of the guy's hand in Kansas City and the way he just muscled that CB out of the way for the TD Sunday were just crazy physical plays. The way he's able to power through tackles goes without mentioning.

When he ripped that ball from the KC defender and landed with it I was going absolutely nuts. It's been a while since a single play has gotten me that fired up. Then he just kept making play after amazing play. Can't wait for the show to continue this week.

 

[JBond]

I've said it numerous times, mostly because I'm quite proud of the fact, but I grew up idolizing him at Monmouth University, a quick bike-ride from my house. He's a class act, always awesome to all of the fans, well spoken.. he comes from a great family, too. My friend knows the Austin's quite well, and he says they are all great people.

I'm so glad that my idol plays for my favorite team, and is now making a difference. Yeah, baby!

I spent several summers there at a soccer camp. Played against Tony Meola. Good memories.

 

[Clove]

He'll have occasional bad games just like anyone else, but I'd say he etched his name on the starting roster for a while. I feel good for the kid.

This is an important statement here. We all must understand that ALL receivers have bad games, just don't string together 3 or 4 of those in row.

 

[J-DOG]

Broadus said on DCfanatics show that scouts in the organization felt like Miles should've been doing this stuff 2 years ago.

I still say actual opportunities were the reason why he didn't.

TO
If anything TO held guys like Austin back.
I think this is why Ogletree is being pushed now...to me Austin and Ogletree have much bigger upside than Crayton and Hurd.

 

[Eskimo]

TO
If anything TO held guys like Austin back.
I think this is why Ogletree is being pushed now...to me Austin and Ogletree have much bigger upside than Crayton and Hurd.

Crayton is an okay slot guy who gets exposed at WR because he doesn't have enough size or speed to excel at the position. However, he has great hands and some quickness and that works well in the slot.

Hurd is a JAG/ST guy - he has been from the beginning and I think he has plateaued. He just doesn't have enough talent to be a productive WR in the NFL. Some people drank the TO kool-aid here and have expected too much from him.

Austin has Pro Bowl ability with his hands, speed, strength and YAC. He will hopefully continue to get better and be a consistent 1200 yards/year kind of guy (this averages out to 75 yards/game - what he has done the last two games would be 6 games of production for a 1200 yard/season guy).