Minnesota Judge: ‘I’m not sure Roger Goodell understands there’s a CBA'

[slick325]

Goodell would do himself and the League a service by giving up the Judge, Jury, Appellate Court and Supreme Court role he has been attempting to play. He would also be wise to get together with the NFLPA to both pay outside counsel to codify a uniform code for suspensions. That way, everyone knows the punishment for the action they are convicted of or plead guilty to...similar to how all of us are aware of the fine for speeding in our state or what the jail time would be for burglary or assault. Just makes too much sense I guess. Arbitrary and capricious rulings must be satisfactory now...smh

 

[Rogah]

Dude don't even try. You wrote the book on being in error. Plus stop calling everyone out after all of your crying about being persecuted here.

I've been right about just about everything I've said in the Hardy case.

 

[Rogah]

actually if you had any knowledge at all as regards the Hardy situation he probably should be starting game one. But then you have never shown much ability to look beyond headlines.

Pot, kettle, black.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

After all the warnings some of you have had, you are just going to jump right back into the mix and go at it again.

Seriously.

SMH

 

[Longboysfan]

Well the Brady case should not fall under his court to rule on.

 

[The Quest for Six]

actually if you had any knowledge at all as regards the Hardy situation he probably should be starting game one. But then you have never shown much ability to look beyond headlines.

go read the court transcripts, he was found guilty by a judge after a bench trial, you realize that, and then paid off the woman to go away, right!

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

He would also be wise to get together with the NFLPA to both pay outside counsel to codify a uniform code for suspensions. That way, everyone knows the punishment for the action they are convicted of or plead guilty to

Exactly

Years ago

It's what nearly every organizations does.

 

[DFWJC]

pretty clear he's accepting his 4 game suspension, as he should because he should be in prison..

What the.....

 

[AzorAhai]

if you cannot figure it out then there is no point in going any further.

Goodell does exactly what the Owners want him to do. Not surprised you have not figured that out.

Why exactly did all these crap changes not come until after Goodell took over. He also is in charge of handling these discipline issues, incredibly poorly btw, but I guess thats how the owners wanted them handled.

 

[Hoofbite]

Funny how none of these changes started until he took over. Must be mere coincidence. And if he was doing his job he would have had the foresight to change the outdated DV policy beforehand and avoided trying to make examples out of a select few players, illegally btw.

Now added to the list of required skills to be NFL Commissioner......prognostication.

 

[AzorAhai]

Now added to the list of required skills to be NFL Commissioner......prognostication.

So it takes a fortune teller to recognize 2 games for domestic violence was an outdated policy? Or is it just because of public outrage that 2 games isn't enough?

But an "Outside the Lines" analysis shows that policy -- and variations crafted by the NFL over the past two decades -- did not yield a suspension after a domestic violence conviction until 2000, according to data compiled from court records and media reports. And out of 48 players considered guilty of domestic violence under the league policy between 2000 through 2014, the league suspended players for one game or not at all in 88 percent of the cases. Twenty-seven players -- or 56 percent -- received no suspension, and 15 others were forced to sit out one game.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ers-domestic-violence-cases-never-missed-down

88% got 1 game or less while people who take steroids or recreational drugs get 4 games plus. I guess it takes a prognosticator to see that wasn't nearly enough even though cases happened every year. Either that or someone who really didn't give a damn and only changed the policy to stop the public outrage. Keep throwing your one liners with big words though since that is your MO.

 

[Hoofbite]

So it takes a fortune teller to recognize 2 games for domestic violence was an outdated policy? Or is it just because of public outrage that 2 games isn't enough?

But an "Outside the Lines" analysis shows that policy -- and variations crafted by the NFL over the past two decades -- did not yield a suspension after a domestic violence conviction until 2000, according to data compiled from court records and media reports. And out of 48 players considered guilty of domestic violence under the league policy between 2000 through 2014, the league suspended players for one game or not at all in 88 percent of the cases. Twenty-seven players -- or 56 percent -- received no suspension, and 15 others were forced to sit out one game.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ers-domestic-violence-cases-never-missed-down

88% got 1 game or less while people who take steroids or recreational drugs get 4 games plus. I guess it takes a prognosticator to see that wasn't nearly enough even though cases happened every year. Either that or someone who really didn't give a damn and only changed the policy to stop the public outrage. Keep throwing your one liners with big words though since that is your MO.

Goodell wasn't hired until what, 2006? If you're going to blame Goodell for not doing anything about it you may as well blame the rest of the planet who seemingly didn't care about the issue either until 2014.

But just so were clear here, you think the owners hired someone to force them to do things they otherwise wouldn't? If you're going to blame Goodell for all the "changes" since he took office, that must be the impression that you are under.

 

[AzorAhai]

Goodell wasn't hired until what, 2006? If you're going to blame Goodell for not doing anything about it you may as well blame the rest of the planet who seemingly didn't care about the issue either until 2014.

But just so were clear here, you think the owners hired someone to force them to do things they otherwise wouldn't? If you're going to blame Goodell for all the "changes" since he took office, that must be the impression that you are under.

8 years with the same outdated DV violence policy and all of a sudden one incident causes a complete reverse course of action. Either it's a complete farce thats only intended to stop the backlash(which it almost assuredly is) and he nor the league couldnt care less about it, or he's an idiot that realized it was a problem after the fact. He gets paid $45 million a year to keep the league out of these situations and failed. It's not like he didn't have plenty of time and other cases with less press to see it wasn't right. Guys beating up women were getting a slap on the wrist while guys smoking weed or taking steroids get 4 games or more for years. You don't have to be clairvoyant to see which was worse even before the Rice incident. Same thing with DUIs.

 

[Kevinicus]

go read the court transcripts, he was found guilty by a judge after a bench trial, you realize that, and then paid off the woman to go away, right!

Do you have Hardy's attorney's number so that I can get the transcripts? Those are the only ones out there.

He was found guilty of a misdemeanor (no prison), and that was vacated, and has absolutely no meaning with anything. And you know there are plenty of other facts you want to ignore.

But, ignoring all of that. It's been reported (which may or may not be true) that Hardy is waiting on the results of the contempt case. There's no reason to suspect he has determined not to appeal just yet.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Doty's right, but he misses the point that Goodell doesn't care if we wins these cases. His job is to serve the interests of the owners, and two of the big pieces of that are PR and supporting the owners' side of CBA negotiations.

His actions are all about giving the appearance of the league being tough on bad actors. If the NFL loses the appeals, well look! the big bad NFLPA is defending wife-beaters and deflaters. You can believe that will be used as a hammer during the next CBA negotiation.

Of course the league is on the losing side of most of these legal/process issues, and it's often really obvious to anyone paying attention. And the league looks ridiculous to Doty in these cases. But the public doesn't focus on that. It's all PR.

 

[Verdict]

Is it not unusual that a judge with no connection to the case at hand would make a public statement like that? Seems kind of odd to me, especially given that he (Doty) routinely presides in cases involving the NFL.

Yes. It is. It might violate a judges code of conduct (minor violation)depending on the law in his jurisdiction. It probably won't matter though since federal judges are appointed by the President, FOR LIFE. It could also be a ground to request him to recuse from handling future cases as well due to bias.

 

[Nightman]

Yes. It is. It might violate a judges code of conduct (minor violation)depending on the law in his jurisdiction. It probably won't matter though since federal judges are appointed by the President, FOR LIFE. It could also be a ground to request him to recuse from handling future cases as well due to bias.

Doty was basically brought out of retirement to hear these cases from what I read.

He is very pro-NFLPA and is angry that NFL is not jumping to his commands.

The NFL heard the warnings from Congress that they weren't being tough enough on DV and decided they would rather over punish than follow the CBA to the letter.

The original 2 game punishment for RRice was by the book and got Goodell and the League a ton of bad PR. Congress was talking about pulling the antitrust exemption for the League which would 10x worse than a contempt of court charge.

But it is literally Goodell's job to issue punishments and he is not going to give up those powers without a huge CBA fight.

 

[erod]

Doty is more of an activist than a judge.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

After all the warnings some of you have had, you are just going to jump right back into the mix and go at it again.

Seriously.

SMH

that is the problem with always giving warnings, they tend not to be noticed anymore,

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Goodell doesn't make the rules, he enforces them, and his job is to protect the shield, because without sponsors, there is no NFL

sponsors aren't going anywhere

Roger Robespierre always goes overboard