Mma Fans Aldo vs McGregor

[TellerMorrow34]

It has been noted often that Conor cuts 28 lbs to get into this weight class. The only reason it seems he is the best distance fighter on the roster is that he doesn't fight guys his own size. Reason why he cuts down past the 155'ers. Aldo may have backed out of numerous fights but he is one of the most active champions on the UFC roster regardless of his pullouts. His drug testing for this upcoming event was also released coming back negative.

The only top 5 guy he has fought is Holloway..... and he fought him when he wasn't even ranked that high. They both fought when they were in the 10-15 range. Unless you can't Poirier, but that will be his only legitimate win. ***There is usually a number one contender fight to get the title. He got to skip the process by beating on Gatekeeper Siver to get there. His resume is very weak, especially for someone who runs his mouth as much as he does.

A 12 fight win streak is impressive, but 7 of those wins came in Ireland against fighters that aren't near UFC level guys. His 5-0 record is what should be looked at.

What is more impressive? a 14 fight streak coming from higher level fighters from the WEC days until present all. Swanson, Brown, Uriah in his prime, Gamburyan, Hominick, Florian, Mendes x2 , Frankie Edgar, Korean Zombie, Lamas, are all better fighters at the times that Jose fought them than ANY GUY CONOR HAS FACED.

Conor would of been the last guy Jose would of feared.

Anyhow win or lose with the Mendes fight I will eat my crow if I need to and be back in here after Saturday to reap what I sow.

Have you watched the UFC embedded series on this fight? Heard it is worth a watch, haven't had the time to sit down and watch it however.

Maybe I missed it, or maybe you missed it, but Connor did exactly what people said he'd do. He finished Mendez.

Mendez got the fight he'd been waiting for and he got a KO/TKO loss for his troubles.


He got his takedowns in, as I think most expected he would, he landed some nice punches and such. But I never felt like McGregor was ever in real trouble and it seemed like every time Mendez tried to stand with him he was in serious danger of being dropped.

Especially since Mendez gassed so easily.


I like both guys but I was way more impressed by McGregor. He never lost his cool. He seemed to be in good with everything going on and picked his spots and tagged Mendez with some vicious shots.

 

[Risen Star]

McGregor had a knee injury this camp and he didn't train wrestling at all because of it.

This dude is a phenomenal fighter and anyone who says otherwise just can't be reasonable about it. Mendes is the biggest hitter in the featherweight division besides McGregor. Conor just ate his shots like they were nothing and broke Mendes' will within two minutes of the 1st round. He turned into desperation wrestler after that. That is extraordinary to do that to guy like Mendes at any point of a fight let alone the first round.

So now that's 18 wins, 17 finishes, 16 knockouts, 1 torn ACL unanimous decision over a guy who is currently ranked 5th and just finished Cub Swanson.

I think he gets Aldo next and I think he breaks Aldo just like the rest.

 

[Risen Star]

The President of the UFC is telling you nothing was broken and he was medically cleared to fight. That's all that matters to me.

If you are such a big follower of MMA, you would know that Dana lies consistently and runs his mouth 24/7 .

Dana has never been known to throw fighters under the bus when they aren't one of his lemmings riiiighhht?

Aldo has been a champ for 10 years, his competition throughout those years has been much larger than anyone of the few "ranked" opponents of Conor. Conor is a skilled fighter, but I refuse to dangle between his legs like most of these "new" MMA fans do. I also would not dare compare the level of competition that Aldo has faced anywhere to Conor's.

What this boils down to is " I give no benefit of the doubt to Aldo or his team as I don't trust nor respect them at all. "

You dislike Aldo, and you love Conor, and you enjoy debate. That is all it is. No shame in being on the hype train with everyone else. It seems to me you "hate" Aldo moreso than I "hate" Conor.

Is there a chance that Conor beats Mendes? Of course. Still doesn't change my view on Conor getting trained on by the 155'ers, and his resume.
He can sell a show. Whether or not he is good enough to stand with the top of the competition remain to be seen. I also wouldn't go back a couple of years to compare competition with Holloway. Holloway has progressed just as Conor has a fighter. When major time passes between fights, the fighters are not the same... not at all.

You want to bring up when Conor beat Holloway who tooled Cub? Okay, I can go back and say remember when Aldo finished Cub before you even sat down on the couch?

Proving my point: Poirier, Holloway and Siver are the names you spit out in defending Conor's shot at a title. Truth is, he ran his mouth. Everyone knows the Edgar should of been the guy to be vs Aldo and didn't get it due to him not talking ****.

Poirier, Holloway, Siver. 2 TKO, 1 UD. vs any 3 of Aldo's fights.... ummm . Shouldn't even be close on who has the better resume. When was the last time Aldo got finished by the way? Answer: A lot longer than the last time Conor got finished.

This is nonsense. Who cares when the last time either lost? Aldo started before Conor. He was in this development stage before Conor. It is completely irrelevant who lost last. What matter is now and McGregor is a friggin beast. Unlike anyone Aldo has ever faced.

I dislike steroid cheats. Aldo is one of them, IMO. I also dislike Vitor Belfort. Another steroid cheat and, what do you know, also from Brazil. Spare me the lecture of how I'm not fair where you, an obvious Aldo fan boy, are. What I'm saying about McGregor is fact. At this point, anyone who doesn't say this guy is a great fighter isn't worth talking to about it. Their hate won't let them be honest. I laugh at your "whether he can stand with the best" nonsense. It's the other way around. Who can stand with him? Because he's looked like a man punching boys his entire career, including now two top 5 ranked in the UFC.

Holloway has progressed. He's a top fighter in the division right now. He will get dominated again if he ever faces McGregor. If a 145er is going to beat him, it's going to have to be some ground fighter who can hold him down and stink up the joint on the way to catching a submission or a boring decision. Nobody's going to stand and fight this guy and win. Holloway is a striker. He wants to stand with him. Same with Aldo. He's a BJJ black belt but he likes to strike. He's going to want to trade with McGregor and he will end up like Mendes when he does.

I believe he'll beat Aldo by knockout, defend that title 1 or 2 times and go to 155. He's looking to duplicate his feat at Cage Rage.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

This is nonsense. Who cares when the last time either lost? Aldo started before Conor. He was in this development stage before Conor. It is completely irrelevant who lost last. What matter is now and McGregor is a friggin beast. Unlike anyone Aldo has ever faced.

I dislike steroid cheats. Aldo is one of them, IMO. I also dislike Vitor Belfort. Another steroid cheat and, what do you know, also from Brazil. Spare me the lecture of how I'm not fair where you, an obvious Aldo fan boy, are. What I'm saying about McGregor is fact. At this point, anyone who doesn't say this guy is a great fighter isn't worth talking to about it. Their hate won't let them be honest. I laugh at your "whether he can stand with the best" nonsense. It's the other way around. Who can stand with him? Because he's looked like a man punching boys his entire career, including now two top 5 ranked in the UFC.

Holloway has progressed. He's a top fighter in the division right now. He will get dominated again if he ever faces McGregor. If a 145er is going to beat him, it's going to have to be some ground fighter who can hold him down and stink up the joint on the way to catching a submission or a boring decision. Nobody's going to stand and fight this guy and win. Holloway is a striker. He wants to stand with him. Same with Aldo. He's a BJJ black belt but he likes to strike. He's going to want to trade with McGregor and he will end up like Mendes when he does.

I believe he'll beat Aldo by knockout, defend that title 1 or 2 times and go to 155. He's looking to duplicate his feat at Cage Rage.

The thing I found, and find each fight really, most impressive about McGregor is that his striking is so precise, so accurate, and everything he does just seems so effortless. It reminds me, from a striking standpoint, of how effortless Anderson Silva always seemed to be when he was fighting. It just came so natural, so accurate, so precise that he never looked like he was even trying.

McGregor seems to be exactly that way when it comes to standing. He has serious power. Scary power in those hands, especially that left.

 

[Risen Star]

They're talking about this fight being at Cowboys Stadium. Pretty ambitious to try to fill that place. In Ireland, no problem. I don't know about the U.S.

 

[jterrell]

Cowboys Stadium on Dec 5.
It will be truly awesome.

McGregor and Aldo are going to go to war. No wet blanket stuff from either guy.
Aldo's best in class leg kicks versus McGregor's best in class boxing.
Both dudes like hurting people and come in with unreal belief in self.

It is probably going to be much like Bones versus Gustafason.
A mirror match where you find out how tough these dudes really are.

I very slightly favor McGregor with the better cardio but Aldo hasn't been the motivated in a couple years so he you never know.

Both guys have been mightily impressive.

 

[Risen Star]

Jose Aldo vs. Conor McGregor is without a doubt one of the most-anticipated fights in UFC history, and as a result, the promotion is looking at holding the fight on the grandest stage possible.

According to a report by Yahoo Sports' Kevin Iole, the promotion is currently looking at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas, home of the National Football League's Dallas Cowboys, as the site of Aldo vs. McGregor.

MMAFighting.com confirmed with UFC president Dana White on Friday that this is in fact true, however, White said it would not happen on Dec. 5, rather another date in December, which he did not disclose. No plans have been finalized just yet.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/7/1...-aldo-vs-mcgregor-at-at-t-stadium-in-december

 

[tyke1doe]

Aldo may not like McGregor, but thanks to the Irishman's Ali-like trash talking, Aldo is going to cash in big time.

I'd be almost tempted to pay to watch this fight.

 

[Risen Star]

Aldo may not like McGregor, but thanks to the Irishman's Ali-like trash talking, Aldo is going to cash in big time.

I'd be almost tempted to pay to watch this fight.

He supposedly lost 4 million backing out of this fight. By far the biggest pay day of his career.

It's the McGregor effect. He's making everybody money right now. You can't convince me Dana and the Fertittas weren't high fiving each other in the back after this fight. They don't want this money train to end. They'll act neutral but they desperately want him to beat Aldo. Who is possibly the worst draw of any UFC champion in it's history. His PPV numbers are abysmal.

What happened to the guy who said McGregor wasn't legit? He disappeared after Mendes collapsed.

 

[Szczepanik]

He supposedly lost 4 million backing out of this fight. By far the biggest pay day of his career.

It's the McGregor effect. He's making everybody money right now. You can't convince me Dana and the Fertittas weren't high fiving each other in the back after this fight. They don't want this money train to end. They'll act neutral but they desperately want him to beat Aldo. Who is possibly the worst draw of any UFC champion in it's history. His PPV numbers are abysmal.

What happened to the guy who said McGregor wasn't legit? He disappeared after Mendes collapsed.

You mean this guy?

Mendes didn't collapse. Mendes dominated the fight and gassed. Team Alpha Male camp came out and said he had a week's worth of conditioning and wasn't in fight shape. A full camp Mendes destroys a full camp Conor.

The only thing Conor did on the ground was eat heavy shots, and ask Herb to stand them up.

Props to Conor for taking advantage of a gassed out Mendes though. For someone who has taken much harsher punishment in 5 round wars, it was a shame to see him gas and fatigue in the 2nd round in which he wrestled Conor for the whole fight.

 

[Risen Star]

You mean this guy?

Mendes didn't collapse. Mendes dominated the fight and gassed.

LOL. Dude. Cmon.

Team Alpha Male camp came out and said he had a week's worth of conditioning and wasn't in fight shape. A full camp Mendes destroys a full camp Conor.

The only thing Conor did on the ground was eat heavy shots, and ask Herb to stand them up.

Props to Conor for taking advantage of a gassed out Mendes though. For someone who has taken much harsher punishment in 5 round wars, it was a shame to see him gas and fatigue in the 2nd round in which he wrestled Conor for the whole fight.

I remember talking to you about the UFC in the past. I now know that's a waste of my time.

You run with that hate filled version of what happened. What I saw was Mendes picked apart on the feet in the 1st round. His body getting battered. Shaken by the power of McGregor. He turned into desperation wrestler 2 minutes into the fight. This is an elite level UFC fighter and Conor made him look like a novice in over his head. This isn't because of some lame excuse of a short camp. This is because he was facing the most elite striker on the UFC roster. You don't suck wind 2 minutes into a fight because of a short camp. That is the direct result of the damage being inflicted.

Chad hit him with some big shots. Conor ate them like they were nothing. He took him down and hammered him with elbows. Conor told him he was a bleep. He was doing nothing. As soon as they got to the feet what happened? Conor attacks showing those elbows had no effect and knocks out Mendes within 30 seconds.

McGregor broke Mendes early in the first round. It was extraordinary. Especially considering I just watched Mendes go 5 competitive rounds with the steroid cheat in Brazil.

I just wondered where you went. If now you can admit McGregor is a special talent. With that answer still being no, I can now say definitively you're a lost cause.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I want to see Frankie Edgar vs McGregor. Frankie will beat him.

 

[tyke1doe]

You mean this guy?

Mendes didn't collapse. Mendes dominated the fight and gassed. Team Alpha Male camp came out and said he had a week's worth of conditioning and wasn't in fight shape. A full camp Mendes destroys a full camp Conor.

The only thing Conor did on the ground was eat heavy shots, and ask Herb to stand them up.

Props to Conor for taking advantage of a gassed out Mendes though. For someone who has taken much harsher punishment in 5 round wars, it was a shame to see him gas and fatigue in the 2nd round in which he wrestled Conor for the whole fight.

Has Chad ever had to fight on short notice before?

 

[Szczepanik]

LOL. Dude. Cmon.




I remember talking to you about the UFC in the past. I now know that's a waste of my time.

You run with that hate filled version of what happened. What I saw was Mendes picked apart on the feet in the 1st round. His body getting battered. Shaken by the power of McGregor. He turned into desperation wrestler 2 minutes into the fight. This is an elite level UFC fighter and Conor made him look like a novice in over his head. This isn't because of some lame excuse of a short camp. This is because he was facing the most elite striker on the UFC roster. You don't suck wind 2 minutes into a fight because of a short camp. That is the direct result of the damage being inflicted.

Chad hit him with some big shots. Conor ate them like they were nothing. He took him down and hammered him with elbows. Conor told him he was a bleep. He was doing nothing. As soon as they got to the feet what happened? Conor attacks showing those elbows had no effect and knocks out Mendes within 30 seconds.

McGregor broke Mendes early in the first round. It was extraordinary. Especially considering I just watched Mendes go 5 competitive rounds with the steroid cheat in Brazil.

I just wondered where you went. If now you can admit McGregor is a special talent. With that answer still being no, I can now say definitively you're a lost cause.

Uriah Faber came out and said his conditioning was poor even in his training leading up to the fight. Dana come out and paid Mendes a King's ransom just for showing up on the week's notice in 500k salary lol.

Conor is a very good fighter and it was impressive to see how good his striking can be. At the same time I wasn't impressed with his ground game which is a completely fair critique on him. Eating big shots from the bottom, asking to be stood up, and throwing profanity from bottom doesn't help from bottom. Only reason the fight even got to standing is because Chad decided to unwisely go for a Guillotine from top. Chad had Conor in a crucifix in the first as well. Completely fair to say Conor has a huge whole in his ground game. It is also fair to think that Chad was gassed due to his conditioning, not the strikes. We have both seen Chad take more sustained damage throughout longer fights. I would favor a full camp Chad over a full camp Conor. There is nothing unfair about making that claim.

What is a shame though is how Joseph Duffy doesn't get any media coverage. He doesn't run his mouth I know, but Duffy is an excellent fighter.

I am glad I was missed though .

 

[Szczepanik]

Has Chad ever had to fight on short notice before?

Chad has had opponents drop out and be replaced, but that was the first time Chad himself was the replacement as far as I know.

 

[Szczepanik]

http://www.bjpenn.com/bang-ludwig-goes-off-on-team-alpha-male/

If you don't respect Ludwig then I don't know what to tell you, but it reinforces my point about Chad walking into the fight just to take the 500k. (Which I would of done too by the way)

 

[jterrell]

http://www.bjpenn.com/bang-ludwig-goes-off-on-team-alpha-male/

If you don't respect Ludwig then I don't know what to tell you, but it reinforces my point about Chad walking into the fight just to take the 500k. (Which I would of done too by the way)

Ludwig is a good trainer clearly but he also has issues with Team Alpha Male.
They fired him.

Ludwig trained TJ and Danny Castillo for their fights this weekend and we all saw TJ is the best in the world but Danny isn't.
That's talent not coaching. TJ is basically a clone of the former champ and next likely opponent.

Mendes is a very good fighter and he was a tough task for McGregor because of his wrestling.
But he couldn't survive standing with Conor AT ALL.
It was just a war of attrition where every stand up favored Conor and Mendes needed to get him to the ground as quickly as possible each round.
Mendes wasn't a threat on the ground and did no real damage.

Conor was always going to win that fight.

135/145 pound dudes do not need camps to be ready.
We've seen any number of guys hop into a fight last minute and win.
A wrestler is a well-conditioned fighter by trade and while he certainly could have been sharper, his issue was getting punched in the face repeatedly.

Conor versus Aldo is a totally different fight stylistically.

I think Conor versus Faber would/will be VERY good to see. Faber is probably as well-rounded as you get.
He isn't quite the striker of McGregor or Aldo but he has better wrestling.
And he is a far superior striker to Mendes.

 

[Szczepanik]

Ludwig is a good trainer clearly but he also has issues with Team Alpha Male.
They fired him.

Ludwig trained TJ and Danny Castillo for their fights this weekend and we all saw TJ is the best in the world but Danny isn't.
That's talent not coaching. TJ is basically a clone of the former champ and next likely opponent.

Mendes is a very good fighter and he was a tough task for McGregor because of his wrestling.
But he couldn't survive standing with Conor AT ALL.
It was just a war of attrition where every stand up favored Conor and Mendes needed to get him to the ground as quickly as possible each round.
Mendes wasn't a threat on the ground and did no real damage.

Conor was always going to win that fight.

135/145 pound dudes do not need camps to be ready.
We've seen any number of guys hop into a fight last minute and win.
A wrestler is a well-conditioned fighter by trade and while he certainly could have been sharper, his issue was getting punched in the face repeatedly.

Conor versus Aldo is a totally different fight stylistically.

I think Conor versus Faber would/will be VERY good to see. Faber is probably as well-rounded as you get.
He isn't quite the striker of McGregor or Aldo but he has better wrestling.
And he is a far superior striker to Mendes.

Well Ludwig has said that most of Team Alpha Male doesn't have the desire to be champion. That the only one who has that drive was TJ. It also helps that TJ walks around close to his weight class and doesn't cut much weight while Renan cuts an absurd amount. TJ is a good display as to why it is beneficial for cardio to stick close to your natural weight.

I will respectfully disagree and would love to see a full camp Mendes vs full prepped for Mendes Conor. I don't think Mendes would gas. I do think there is a difference between being in shape, and being in "fight shape" .

I don't see Aldo losing, but if he does I would not be shocked if Dana cuts him after he milks a rematch. Dana has been very totalitarian lately with people who speak there mind, and if Aldo wasn't going to get him a big load of cash I believe Dana would drop him for his opinion on Reebok, etc.

Before Conor moves up to 155. ( Which is the inevitable ) I want to see Conor fight : Aldo, Mendes ( full camp ) , Frankie , Uriah .

Jeremy Stephens vs Conor would be very fun. Stephens is very underrated. Not very technical but I'd never count him out.

 

[jterrell]

Well Ludwig has said that most of Team Alpha Male doesn't have the desire to be champion. That the only one who has that drive was TJ. It also helps that TJ walks around close to his weight class and doesn't cut much weight while Renan cuts an absurd amount. TJ is a good display as to why it is beneficial for cardio to stick close to your natural weight.

I will respectfully disagree and would love to see a full camp Mendes vs full prepped for Mendes Conor. I don't think Mendes would gas. I do think there is a difference between being in shape, and being in "fight shape" .

I don't see Aldo losing, but if he does I would not be shocked if Dana cuts him after he milks a rematch. Dana has been very totalitarian lately with people who speak there mind, and if Aldo wasn't going to get him a big load of cash I believe Dana would drop him for his opinion on Reebok, etc.

Before Conor moves up to 155. ( Which is the inevitable ) I want to see Conor fight : Aldo, Mendes ( full camp ) , Frankie , Uriah .

Jeremy Stephens vs Conor would be very fun. Stephens is very underrated. Not very technical but I'd never count him out.

TJ is by far the best athlete in the weight class. So his desire and all that matters a ton but the guy outclasses a freak in Barao in athleticism.
TJ is simply better in every area. TJ left California to go train with Ludwig in Denver so that is one factor in the opinion. It is probably pretty accurate but Team Alpha Male always works hard and has had that rep. Faber hasn't remained relevant for a decade coming in soft.
That team is all renowned for great cardio.

Mendes was knocked out in 2 rounds. If he had a full camp I am sure he'd be better but let's not forget Conor was training for a striker instead of a wrestler as well for all that time. He got his worst match up and after being taken down and laid upon 3 or 4 times he still had effortless knock out power.
Mendes is very good but he was not doing enough with the take downs to sap Conor's power as we saw.

With Aldo who knows. He is tremendous in a lot of ways and could win. But I think Conor is hungrier and a better pure boxer.

Conor refused to wear the Reebok gear walking out so also is displeased with the model. He is a cash cow tho.

I don't know what DW and the UFC are gonna do but they can only hack off so many fighters.
Stitch was really bad pub but great fight cards make up for some of it.
UFC Chicago was very good and so was 190.
It starts to effect fight cards though if you lose a guy like Aldo who is an all-time great at his weight class.
The Reebok deal has been bad for business thus far.

Conor versus a wrestler with a good submission game gets VERY challenging.
I don't think Conor would fare well at 155. Bigger guys would have an even bigger wrestling edge.

Lots of fun match ups tho if it's not just title shot stuff.

McGregor/Guida would be insane.

 

[Szczepanik]

TJ is by far the best athlete in the weight class. So his desire and all that matters a ton but the guy outclasses a freak in Barao in athleticism.
TJ is simply better in every area. TJ left California to go train with Ludwig in Denver so that is one factor in the opinion. It is probably pretty accurate but Team Alpha Male always works hard and has had that rep. Faber hasn't remained relevant for a decade coming in soft.
That team is all renowned for great cardio.

Mendes was knocked out in 2 rounds. If he had a full camp I am sure he'd be better but let's not forget Conor was training for a striker instead of a wrestler as well for all that time. He got his worst match up and after being taken down and laid upon 3 or 4 times he still had effortless knock out power.
Mendes is very good but he was not doing enough with the take downs to sap Conor's power as we saw.

With Aldo who knows. He is tremendous in a lot of ways and could win. But I think Conor is hungrier and a better pure boxer.

Conor refused to wear the Reebok gear walking out so also is displeased with the model. He is a cash cow tho.

I don't know what DW and the UFC are gonna do but they can only hack off so many fighters.
Stitch was really bad pub but great fight cards make up for some of it.
UFC Chicago was very good and so was 190.
It starts to effect fight cards though if you lose a guy like Aldo who is an all-time great at his weight class.
The Reebok deal has been bad for business thus far.

Conor versus a wrestler with a good submission game gets VERY challenging.
I don't think Conor would fare well at 155. Bigger guys would have an even bigger wrestling edge.

Lots of fun match ups tho if it's not just title shot stuff.

McGregor/Guida would be insane.

Yeah I like the Frankie and Uriah matchups definitely. There are alot of good fights out there as long as they aren't blatantly mismatched ( like the Denis Siver fight). I enjoy Guida and hope he isn't over the hill yet. I went to see Jones vs Vera live and he was living out of his trailer to be at that fight!

Yeah Dana has been not doing so well with the media. He usually is pretty poor in general with handling PR, but it has gotten worse. The Reebok deal has been such a complete disaster. It is also bad that every fighter has come out to support Stitch as well, another slap to the face of Dana. Even most of the recent UFC embedded youtube videos have been hit with thousands of dislikes as a "slap" to Dana voicing their displeasure.

I enjoyed UFC Chicago. I am a huge fan of Miesha Tate even though she has moments where her technicality goes out of the window.

Yeah I don't know how Conor would fare at 155 either.. they all will equally cut the same amount of weight and the physical advantage shouldn't be there. He could be a fringe #5 at LW though depending on the matchups.

Imagine Khabib , RDA , Benson, Gilbert , Tony Ferguson now even.

Even some of the 5-10 ranked guys at LW are scary like a Paul Felder or Edson Barboza who are really lanky.

I could see Conor beating Cerrone only based upon stylistic matchup.