MMQB - The Punch, a Mistake and What Joe Mixon Has Learned

[IrishAnto]

Not when he threatened to strike her first. It's the law and you don't understand it.




YR

Could provide me with a link to the version of the video where he threatened to strike her first?

The one I've seen didn't have sound.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Could provide me with a link to the version of the video where he threatened to strike her first?

The one I've seen didn't have sound.

When you feign a punch like that that is a threat to assault somebody. The law is very clear on this. Much like if I am in a dispute where the person is no physical threat to me, but I flash my gun...even if I don't use my gun or even point it at the person...that's against the law (even if I have a concealed carry permit).



YR

 

[IrishAnto]

When you feign a punch like that that is a threat to assault somebody. The law is very clear on this. Much like if I am in a dispute where the person is no physical threat to me, but I flash my gun...even if I don't use my gun or even point it at the person...that's against the law (even if I have a concealed carry permit).



YR

The link?

 

[rambo2]

Look, I have argued up and down that a man shouldn't hit a woman. And I have confessed that I had a girlfriend slap me and scratch me and didn't lift a finger against her.

Having said that, I'm kind of sick of this scenario where women can basically haul off and hit guys are just supposed to take it. And if you point out that a woman shouldn't hit a man somehow you're enabling domestic abusers.

The point needs to be made that not only are guys not to hit women, especially if they have a distinct size advantage, but that women don't need to be putting their hands on grown men.

It seems as some women (particularly many feminists) are reluctant to preach this message.

Getting back to Joe Mixon, I don't think he's in the same category as Ray Rice. Rice cold-cocks his fiancé in a closed-quartered elevator, and their relationship suggests prior abuse. Mixon is in an argument with this young lady, and she hauls off and hits him not once but twice. Should he have taken it? Yes.
Is it reasonable to understand that if you hit someone twice, there's a tendency and a reaction for that person to hit you back. If we were honest and objective, we would also say, yes.

Be that as it may, I know of no previous patterns of abuse by Mixon, and this woman wasn't his girlfriend so there's no secret relationship or closet activities associated with domestic abuse that I know of. So I won't criticize a team that takes him high in the draft.

My three cents.

Were you a man when you were 18? The deal is that he will play in the NFL and he is a very good player. The guy on the Chiefs did the same thing. It just wasn't on video. The punch is just going to cost Mixon a whole lot of money.

 

[waving monkey]

I saw the vid and he really cold cocked the girl. He over played the moment and his paying the price.
We not talking about the rules of a gentleman here. The girl shouldn't have attacked Mixon.

 

[tyke1doe]

Were you a man when you were 18? The deal is that he will play in the NFL and he is a very good player. The guy on the Chiefs did the same thing. It just wasn't on video. The punch is just going to cost Mixon a whole lot of money.

Was I a man when I was 18?

 

[Avery]

I would draft Mixon in the third day. It was an ugly incident, but he hasn't had issues since. Even if he does get into trouble again, you're not talking about somebody that was drafted at a prestigious position and hurts the team in a large way.

Think about how many 5th/6th rounders we've drafted that never accomplished a thing and the talent is worth the pick.

 

[rambo2]

Was I a man when I was 18?

I wasn't. I doubt that any of us were.

 

[rambo2]

I would draft Mixon in the third day. It was an ugly incident, but he hasn't had issues since. Even if he does get into trouble again, you're not talking about somebody that was drafted at a prestigious position and hurts the team in a large way.

Think about how many 5th/6th rounders we've drafted that never accomplished a thing and the talent is worth the pick.

It is about value and how much crap a team can withstand from the media and the public. The fans will be won over as soon as Mixon makes some big plays. Somebody will take him by the 3rd round. He is a great player. That is why OU kept him in the program. OU will also keep Mayfield in the program after his recent arrest because of his playing ability.

 

[Philmonroe]

Look, I have argued up and down that a man shouldn't hit a woman. And I have confessed that I had a girlfriend slap me and scratch me and didn't lift a finger against her.

Having said that, I'm kind of sick of this scenario where women can basically haul off and hit guys are just supposed to take it. And if you point out that a woman shouldn't hit a man somehow you're enabling domestic abusers.

The point needs to be made that not only are guys not to hit women, especially if they have a distinct size advantage, but that women don't need to be putting their hands on grown men.

It seems as some women (particularly many feminists) are reluctant to preach this message.

Getting back to Joe Mixon, I don't think he's in the same category as Ray Rice. Rice cold-cocks his fiancé in a closed-quartered elevator, and their relationship suggests prior abuse. Mixon is in an argument with this young lady, and she hauls off and hits him not once but twice. Should he have taken it? Yes.
Is it reasonable to understand that if you hit someone twice, there's a tendency and a reaction for that person to hit you back. If we were honest and objective, we would also say, yes.

Be that as it may, I know of no previous patterns of abuse by Mixon, and this woman wasn't his girlfriend so there's no secret relationship or closet activities associated with domestic abuse that I know of. So I won't criticize a team that takes him high in the draft.

My three cents.

Bold is wrong from what I've saw but I guess from many miles away people see all types of different stuff. The rest I can agree with. I also think people in general say sounds good stuff that don't translate to the real views of people. I see a lot of people online and in the media say don't hit women but IRL convos these things aren't as 100% against it as you'd believe. Most aren't saying you should go hitting women but its also not you hit a woman monster when if a guy hit an obviously weaker/less skilled man nobody says anything. Matter of fact most times the guy gets made fun that got hit and or is told about messing with someone bigger than him.

 

[Philmonroe]

So if your daughter slaps a guy in college, or your wife slaps a guy out at the bar, you'd be fine with picking her teeth up off the ground and watching her go into surgery for a broken jaw or shattered orbital bone?

Just curious, because i've seen fully grown men suffer much worse from guys who weren't NFL caliber athletes.

It's honestly pretty amazing that nothing did happen to her. But, there's no way he could have known that at the time.

The emotional play means nothing to me. I'm a believer of staying out of situations like that in the first place. If she never even touches him we probably have just bogus talking back and forth. If we stick to the rules of when I was a kid of keep your hands to yourself regardless of gender you'll be ok in the vast majority of situations. Being realistic though why do people regardless of gender get hype with people you know you can't beat? That makes no logical sense to me. Ime though most girls/guys don't act the way she does towards someone of the same gender (where we aren't having the sympathy discussion) that they think can go upside their head.

 

[tyke1doe]

I wasn't. I doubt that any of us were.

So what's your point?

 

[tyke1doe]

Bold is wrong from what I've saw but I guess from many miles away people see all types of different stuff. The rest I can agree with. I also think people in general say sounds good stuff that don't translate to the real views of people. I see a lot of people online and in the media say don't hit women but IRL convos these things aren't as 100% against it as you'd believe. Most aren't saying you should go hitting women but its also not you hit a woman monster when if a guy hit an obviously weaker/less skilled man nobody says anything. Matter of fact most times the guy gets made fun that got hit and or is told about messing with someone bigger than him.

She pushes him once then slaps him. Okay, she doesn't haul off and hit him twice. My bad. But she puts her hands on him twice.
She should not have done that. PERIOD!

He also should not have slugged her. PERIOD!

My point is it's kind of disturbing that society wants to give her a pass and not address the issue - in this case - of women putting their hands on men first. This isn't a typical domestic violence case. Just as we have video of him cold-cocking her, we have video of her pushing him and slapping him.

If it's about equality, let's hold both equally responsible, in our message, even if his retaliation was worse than hers.

 

[rambo2]

So what's your point?

Come on you can't figure it out that Mixon was an 18 year old kid that punched a girl. The point is that he is still a good running back and he will be drafted into the NFL and he just might not hit anymore people on the street after this punch cost him millions.

 

[tyke1doe]

Come on you can't figure it out that Mixon was an 18 year old kid that punched a girl. The point is that he is still a good running back and he will be drafted into the NFL and he just might not hit anymore people on the street after this punch cost him millions.

Obviously, if I'm asking you a question, I have some doubt about the answer.

I understand he was an 18-year-old kid. So what? I learned in middle school you don't punch women like that. But I had parents who punished me after I had my last fight with a girl in eighth grade.

It's not an issue of age but "home training," and being taught impulse control or the lack thereof.

 

[gmoney112]

So in effect it's OK for a woman to use violence on a man but not the other way around???

Definitely not. And i'd have been okay if he just backhanded her, even though I'm hoping we'd hold our children to a higher standard.

But, if people want to give him the excuse he was a kid, that has to go both ways. She was a dumb kid too. And college girls can't exactly hold their liquor likes guys can. Especially a guy who weighs 200 pounds.

If you're asking me if it's okay that a football player, who followed her and instigated a confrontation, breaks a 120 pounds girl's jaw after she hits him in retaliation for him gay bashing her friend (which he admitted to)... then no.

He wasn't trapped, he was in a public place. He outweighed her by 80-90 pounds. It can't be compared to situations where he would have no other choice, like some extreme DV instances where the chick is crazy.

She was an idiot and he was a coward. As far as i'm concerned all this talk now is trying to save his own ***. He doesn't seem genuine to me. It looks like his remorse isn't coming from what he actually did, and instead it's from the backlash and knowing it cost him money. And I think teams are happy to pull the wool over their own eyes because they know they can probably get a good player on the field for a cheap pick.

Just my stance on the issue.

 

[Philmonroe]

She pushes him once then slaps him. Okay, she doesn't haul off and hit him twice. My bad. But she puts her hands on him twice.
She should not have done that. PERIOD!

He also should not have slugged her. PERIOD!

My point is it's kind of disturbing that society wants to give her a pass and not address the issue - in this case - of women putting their hands on men first. This isn't a typical domestic violence case. Just as we have video of him cold-cocking her, we have video of her pushing him and slapping him.

If it's about equality, let's hold both equally responsible, in our message, even if his retaliation was worse than hers.

I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I was talking about what you said about Ray Rice when I said what I said about bold. He shouldn't have slugged her but in general if you keep you hands to yourself you avoid a lot of trouble regardless of gender. This is also an issue where I feel we can be equal on so I can't treat women as some special group. This isn't some little kid or someone with a learning disability or something. I find it quite strange a lot of people say they respect women but then treat them as little kids that have no accountability for the things they do. I also think society doesn't want to be realistic because we live in an era where you have to say the PC thing or else you're a horrible person even if you aren't and just disagree with how the masses see a situation.

 

[Philmonroe]

Obviously, if I'm asking you a question, I have some doubt about the answer.

I understand he was an 18-year-old kid. So what? I learned in middle school you don't punch women like that. But I had parents who punished me after I had my last fight with a girl in eighth grade.

It's not an issue of age but "home training," and being taught impulse control or the lack thereof.

This is my problem with most people you don't hit a woman like that but if he hits a man like,that which could do the same damage nobody says a word? This will always lead to problems IMO even though I'm not saying haul off and hit people woman or man. Keep your dang hands to yourself period. There doesn't need to be no differentiation.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Yes, cause I am raising my daughter to respect others. Don't assault someone else, unless you are willing to accept the same in return.

So conversely you either are or will be raising your son to strike a woman with the same ferocity and intent to harm as Mixon did?

 

[Biggems]

So conversely you either are or will be raising your son to strike a woman with the same ferocity and intent to harm as Mixon did?

I don't have a son