MMQB - The Punch, a Mistake and What Joe Mixon Has Learned

[CalPolyTechnique]

I don't have a son

Would you raise your son to do so?

 

[Risen Star]

What Mixon should have learned is we live in a very liberal, man hating society these days and what he was supposed to do in that situation was allow that woman to assault him. Just take the smacks, punches, whatever she wanted to do. She's a female. She has license to do it.

In fact, our society is so far gone to the left that even if there is video of this incident that shows you reacting to being attacked it will be ignored. The headline will read "Evil man boxes defenseless woman's face in for fun". That video only shows what you did. She's an angel. She was reading the Bible when you walked up and superkicked her in the face with a man boot.

I feel sorry for any woman who has to deal with any actual abuse. If you're not acting in self defense and you hit a woman you're pretty much a piece of crap. I don't feel sorry for any woman who thinks she can hit somebody because her gender protects her. She's a victim of nothing in that case. She simply started a fight she couldn't finish.

To the men who do show restraint and take it my hat's off to you but when one doesn't, it's hard for me to equate that person to an actual abuser like society paints them.

I would have no problem drafting Mixon on day 2 if my team needed the RB help.

And the above statement makes me like the worst human being of all time in 2017. Other than Prescott.

 

[Biggems]

Would you raise your son to do so?

Like i said earlier, if I had a son, he will learn to be respectful to others. However, if some one assaults him, he has the right to choose whether to retaliate. If it is a woman he is in a relationship with, I would hope he wouldn't harm her back, but IMO, a stranger is fair game.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Like i said earlier, if I had a son, he will learn to be respectful to others. However, if some one assaults him, he has the right to choose whether to retaliate. If it is a woman he is in a relationship with, I would hope he wouldn't harm her back, but IMO, a stranger is fair game.

Do you Mixon handled this situation appropriately?

 

[Biggems]

Do you Mixon handled this situation appropriately?

He defended himself against assault. I bet that chick learned her lesson, and will now keep her hands to herself in public.

 

[Biggems]

Do you Mixon handled this situation appropriately?

It isn't a black and white issue, btw I don't mean race. You do not know his upbringing. You do not know his experiences. You do not know whether or not his parents taught him to fight back at all cost or not. Also, the females of today go around acting like they can behave however they want with no consequences or repercussions.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

He defended himself against assault. I bet that chick learned her lesson, and will now keep her hands to herself in public.

He followed her into the restaurant and engaged and was obviously instigating an issue. That was a series of poor choices.

If your only take away is "he defended himself" without any context then that's just a shame.

Quite honestly, I don't think you're being honest if you're telling me that if that was your daughter and a grown man that was at least 115-120 heavier, taller and incredibly stronger than her straight obliterated her face like that you'd just say "welp, guess you got what you deserved honey?"

The thing I don't get is this rigid "well, if a woman hits me she should expect to get hit back" without any thought to context to the disproportionate size difference, strength and situations that led up to the event. I don't adhere to the "never hit a woman approach." However, I have a newborn son and I'm going to tell him that hitting a woman is a last resort if you're physically being harmed and have to defend yourself to escape the situation. That wasn't the situation Mixon was in.

 

[Biggems]

He followed her into the restaurant and engaged and was obviously instigating an issue. That was a series of poor choices.

If your only take away is "he defended himself" without any context then that's just a shame.

Quite honestly, I don't think you're being honest if you're telling me that if that was your daughter and a grown man that was at least 115-120 heavier, taller and incredibly stronger than her straight obliterated her face like that you'd just say "welp, guess you got what you deserved honey?"

The thing I don't get is this rigid "well, if a woman hits me she should expect to get hit back" without any thought to context to the disproportionate size difference, strength and situations that led up to the event. I don't adhere to the "never hit a woman approach." However, I have a newborn son and I'm going to tell him that hitting a woman is a last resort if you're physically being harmed and have to defend yourself to escape the situation. That wasn't the situation Mixon was in.

Good for you. But, you aren't raising every other child in America. A lot of parents tell their kids to hit back if you are hit first, no matter what child hits you.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Good for you. But, you aren't raising every other child in America. A lot of parents tell their kids to hit back if you are hit first, no matter what child hits you.

I don't get the point? So because some parents tell their kids to hit back if you are hit first it's all good in all situations and that same approach is appropriate the rest of their life?

 

[Verdict]

He was also turning to basically leave the area when she struck him first. Granted still no excuses, but it looked very reactionary once it escalated. It was pretty clear to me that if it is that time of night (actually early morning) that there was alcohol involved. The female also has an arrest history herself.



The fact that it was a total stranger and that she was reacting to homophobic slurs directed at her companion makes it a little different.

Actually it doesn't. She shouldn't have hit him. He shouldn't have hit her even if she did hit him. People have a right to their opinion and speech even if it is categorized as homophobic. When did America become the place where freedom of speech is ok only when you like that speech?

 

[Verdict]

If her "legal run ins" don't involve burglary/larceny, assault/battery, then they don't really concern me. I don't care about drugs. Just like I didn't with Sean Payton. If they were arresting and charging every kid that took drugs in college, they wouldn't have anyone graduating.

Yes, even most people's daughters. Kinda like how the Girls Gone Wild dads assumed their kids would just never do that. If dads knew what their daughters were doing on D1 campuses, they'd never sleep again.

Anyways, Mixon's story is stupid. A year later he said he didn't have any regrets.

Another coddled football player who probably doesn't read so good, but will have an NFL career after he knocked a chick out and gay bashed their friend. Pure class.

His political views on whatever really shouldn't have any bearing on his NFL career.

 

[Verdict]

What Mixon should have learned is we live in a very liberal, man hating society these days and what he was supposed to do in that situation was allow that woman to assault him. Just take the smacks, punches, whatever she wanted to do. She's a female. She has license to do it.

In fact, our society is so far gone to the left that even if there is video of this incident that shows you reacting to being attacked it will be ignored. The headline will read "Evil man boxes defenseless woman's face in for fun". That video only shows what you did. She's an angel. She was reading the Bible when you walked up and superkicked her in the face with a man boot.

I feel sorry for any woman who has to deal with any actual abuse. If you're not acting in self defense and you hit a woman you're pretty much a piece of crap. I don't feel sorry for any woman who thinks she can hit somebody because her gender protects her. She's a victim of nothing in that case. She simply started a fight she couldn't finish.

To the men who do show restraint and take it my hat's off to you but when one doesn't, it's hard for me to equate that person to an actual abuser like society paints them.

I would have no problem drafting Mixon on day 2 if my team needed the RB help.

And the above statement makes me like the worst human being of all time in 2017. Other than Prescott.

You speak a lot of truth in that. It is funny how tolerance only runs one way. It's not acceptable to call a gay persona derogatory term but it is ok to call a person who disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle a homophobe or bigot or worse. This one directional tolerance is really out of hand.

 

[Verdict]

I don't get the point? So because some parents tell their kids to hit back if you are hit first it's all good in all situations and that same approach is appropriate the rest of their life?

Well there is some utility in that. I don't exercise it, but I do get it to some degree.

I personally would not have hit her over a slap, but a man punch from a woman might authorize equal response depending on the circumstances.

 

[gmoney112]

He followed her into the restaurant and engaged and was obviously instigating an issue. That was a series of poor choices.

If your only take away is "he defended himself" without any context then that's just a shame.

Quite honestly, I don't think you're being honest if you're telling me that if that was your daughter and a grown man that was at least 115-120 heavier, taller and incredibly stronger than her straight obliterated her face like that you'd just say "welp, guess you got what you deserved honey?"

The thing I don't get is this rigid "well, if a woman hits me she should expect to get hit back" without any thought to context to the disproportionate size difference, strength and situations that led up to the event. I don't adhere to the "never hit a woman approach." However, I have a newborn son and I'm going to tell him that hitting a woman is a last resort if you're physically being harmed and have to defend yourself to escape the situation. That wasn't the situation Mixon was in.

Haha, for some reason, it feels like they have skin in this game.

What they're basically saying is, I can call their wife the C word, follow her inside a restaurant, stand at her table instigating a reaction, then if she slaps me I can put her in the ER. They'll be fine reconstructing her face, i'm sure. In fact, they'd tell her she deserved it.

They also seem to be fine with him following him in, and gay bashing under the right of "free speech". Sure. Would they be blaming him if the Aryan Brotherhood followed him into a bar, instigated a reaction, then pulverized his face? Totally fine.

 

[Alexander]

Actually it doesn't. She shouldn't have hit him. He shouldn't have hit her even if she did hit him. People have a right to their opinion and speech even if it is categorized as homophobic. When did America become the place where freedom of speech is ok only when you like that speech?

Well a homophobic slur is technically a hate crime the way things are perceived now.

 

[sideon]

So if your daughter slaps a guy in college, or your wife slaps a guy out at the bar, you'd be fine with picking her teeth up off the ground and watching her go into surgery for a broken jaw or shattered orbital bone?

Just curious, because i've seen fully grown men suffer much worse from guys who weren't NFL caliber athletes.

It's honestly pretty amazing that nothing did happen to her. But, there's no way he could have known that at the time.

Read the first sentence you typed and tell me that makes sense.

 

[Biggems]

I don't get the point? So because some parents tell their kids to hit back if you are hit first it's all good in all situations and that same approach is appropriate the rest of their life?

It's not for you to get or understand. You are coming across as narcissistic right now, where the entire situation is to play out only the way you believe and no other way.

Now, one thing I have yet even look at in the whole situation was the level of intoxication of all parties involved.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Well there is some utility in that. I don't exercise it, but I do get it to some degree.

I personally would not have hit her over a slap, but a man punch from a woman might authorize equal response depending on the circumstances.

That's kind of my take. Their are some women out there that are comparable in size to some men (think Leslie Jones size) and relatively strong that will try to fight a man. I could imagine being in a situation where you'd have to fight them off as if they were a man. Then you have the larger swath of the female population that are on the whole much smaller and less stronger. When you juxtapose Mixon's size and strength to that woman in the restaurant, I don't see how folks appeal to the blanket notion of "well, he was 'assaulted' and had to protect himself." It's disingenuous. IMO, it's no different than a grown man fist-fighting an 11-year old.

 

[Verdict]

Well a homophobic slur is technically a hate crime the way things are perceived now.

Actually hate crimes punish thought and if given proper scrutiny should be repealed. Affirmative action is also reverse discrimination. All of that stuff needs to be discarded and everyone should be on the same level playing field.

 

[Verdict]

A man really shouldn't hit a woman really under any circumstances unless he is being attacked by Rhonda Rowsey. Then he probably doesn't have a choice but to defend himself.

On the other hand she shouldn't have ever laid hands on him for any reason. I don't think what she did in the video justified the level of response he gave her. But she sort of opened the door for that response when she laid hands on him. Don't start fights to begin with.

One more caveat, is that when I watched that video is that it appears that he MAY have spit on her at some point before she laid hands on him. It is hard to tell from the video.

We also don't know the verbal exchange that occurred between them. All of that has to be considered. She may have been offended by him bashing her gay friend (which I think he is within his free speech rights to say) and she may have used some sort of racial slur against him (which is probably also constitutionally protected free speech) but is also a very unkind thing to do and a bad idea for her to do. Who knows what happened?