Mo Better

[TrailBlazer]

Should've given him a multi year extension. He was good last year before injury. Now we must overpay again. I said all offseason Mo is our best Corner by a long shot. This FO has no foresight. He is worth Scandrick money at the very least and could've gotten him for that.

 

[CWR]

He was in a contract year last year. We signed him to a 1 year free agent contract this offseason. Not saying his play will not decline in the future, but over and over again people keep saying he is playing better this year because its a "contract year" while forgetting he was in a "contract year" last year as well.

Its not because hes in a contract year. We heard him say last year he finally learned how to study film. He also is finally getting the benifits of a healthy offseason. Mo isnt just playing for money, hes playing for pride. He was a cant miss, best defensive prospect in the draft type of guy who fell from grace. Good for Mo and Im happy we resigned him.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It's the best he's played in his tenure here in Dallas. That said, it's been three games and talk of extending him is way too early. I wanna see him actually play with some anticipation and make plays on the ball. He's still a liability to the defense in terms of tackling.

 

[Bullflop]

The Mo we're seeing now is a far cry from the one we knew as a rookie and beyond. He's reinvented himself. Thank goodness for that. He's healthy now and feeling up to doing all the things that he woulda, coulda, shoulda been doing all along. Glad to see the guy doing so well after going through so much physical hardship and toughing his way through it all. He deserves all the credit he can get for overcoming all that he did.
He went thru hell and now he's back. C'mon, admit it; you've gotta admire that.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

He basically said what everyone thinks. Your shtick is not clever, not funny, and annoying enough that I usually just skip over your posts.

But you did not skip this one?
Thank you, matey!
You do made me day!

 

[Sydla]

Imagine how much better he might be if they actually had a legit pass rush.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You ... hope.

Nobody cared enough to acknowledge at least in an affirming manner. You can dream a wish if it makes you feel better.

 

[Trouty]

I'm guessing Mo's value is somewhere near Casey Hayward's.

Hayward got 3y/$15.3M a year this offseason from San Diego, so $5m year.

Interestingly both came out in the same draft, both have dealt with their share of injury issues, etc

I'd be fine paying Mo $5m a year.

No way Mo signs that cheap if he keeps playing the way he has. If he dips, maybe, but we don't want that (a decline in performance). He's been balling this year, and he played well last year before he got injured. Hopefully, due to his injury history and history of inconsistent play, we will hold the leverage in negotiations -- even if he has a pro bowl year.

I think 4 yrs 30 million, 17-20 guaranteed oughta do it (far less than top paid corners, but not an insult, and still less than Carr received), and could represent a bargain in a year or two if his trajectory continues to climb (ala late, like Norman).

He will laugh at 5 mil a year, unless he falls off a cliff or gets injured. If either of those two scenarios happen, yes maybe we get him somewhere around 3x15, 8-10 guaranteed

@bkight13 would have a better take on this, I'm sure. But I think I'm pretty close.

 

[Trouty]

It's the best he's played in his tenure here in Dallas. That said, it's been three games and talk of extending him is way too early. I wanna see him actually play with some anticipation and make plays on the ball. He's still a liability to the defense in terms of tackling.

I respectfully disagree CalPoly. Mo has been incredibly physical, in fact it's been one of his strong points this year. Dude has shown an ability to wrap up and take down WRs at the POC, and isn't getting punked.

He isn't a ball hawk, sure, but I think he's been getting looked over on his physical play.

 

[Idgit]

Nobody cared enough to acknowledge at least in an affirming manner. You can dream a wish if it makes you feel better.

I skimmed it to make sure it was within guidelines and resented the minor imposition on my free time that it required, if that means anything.

 

[perrykemp]

I think 4 yrs 30 million, 17-20 guaranteed oughta do it (far less than top paid corners, but not an insult, and still less than Carr received), and could represent a bargain in a year or two if his trajectory continues to climb (ala late, like Norman).

$17-20M guaranteed is high for CB who hasn't had an interception, fumble recovery, or forced fumble in over 2 years, has never had more than a single interception in a season, and in his most recent (and best) season in 2015 still managed to miss 5 games?

I agree he is playing better than ever before and he is doing a good job in pass coverage. I actually can see maybe $7M - $7.5M a year based on his performance -- I just don't see the team handing out that kind of guaranteed money.

 

[Trouty]

$17-20M guaranteed is high for CB who hasn't had an interception, fumble recovery, or forced fumble in over 2 years, has never had more than a single interception in a season, and in his most recent (and best) season in 2015 still managed to miss 5 games?

I agree he is playing better than ever before and he is doing a good job in pass coverage. I actually can see maybe $7M - $7.5M a year based on his performance -- I just don't see the team handing out that kind of guaranteed money.

Maybe you're right, Perry. But CB is a premium position and players are getting more guaranteed money now, hell Tavon Austin (a borderline 1-2 WR just got 30 guaranteed). I say 20 guaranteed just so we can get him for the 4x30. If we can offer, say 12-15 guar., awesome. But then we lose some leverage with the lower guaranteed cash. And I think we do have the leverage, despite his premium position (due to my aforementioned reasons).

The 7.5 is where I'd like to see him signed at (as I think that's about as low as we can go) so we agree there

 

[Nightman]

No way Mo signs that cheap if he keeps playing the way he has. If he dips, maybe, but we don't want that (a decline in performance). He's been balling this year, and he played well last year before he got injured. Hopefully, due to his injury history and history of inconsistent play, we will hold the leverage in negotiations -- even if he has a pro bowl year.

I think 4 yrs 30 million, 17-20 guaranteed oughta do it (far less than top paid corners, but not an insult, and still less than Carr received), and could represent a bargain in a year or two if his trajectory continues to climb (ala late, like Norman).

He will laugh at 5 mil a year, unless he falls off a cliff or gets injured. If either of those two scenarios happen, yes maybe we get him somewhere around 3x15, 8-10 guaranteed

@bkight13 would have a better take on this, I'm sure. But I think I'm pretty close.

Mo has put up 2 very good contract years(so far)....he will cash in if he stays healthy

I think your proposal is right there but the total is a little low and the guarantee is little high(usually 40% or 2 years on a 5 year contract)...maybe 5/40m with 16m guaranteed

 

[Trouty]

Mo has put up 2 very good contract years(so far)....he will cash in if he stays healthy

I think your proposal is right there but the total is a little low and the guarantee is little high(usually 40% or 2 years on a 5 year contract)...maybe 5/40m with 16m guaranteed

Thanks for the reply, I take heed in your proposal way the heck over mine.

Bkight, what do you think of the Tavon re-signing, esp as it relates to the ratio of term to guaranteed cash (42:30g). Was that just a horrid contract by an inept front office? Or are these higher guarantees the new norm?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I skimmed it to make sure it was within guidelines and resented the minor imposition on my free time that it required, if that means anything.

Sorry mang. The negative nancies irk me I admit. That plus the hackneyed schtick pushed me over the edge. I will try to show better restraint.

You would think we had a losing record the way people are though.

 

[Staggerlee]

No way Mo signs that cheap if he keeps playing the way he has. If he dips, maybe, but we don't want that (a decline in performance). He's been balling this year, and he played well last year before he got injured. Hopefully, due to his injury history and history of inconsistent play, we will hold the leverage in negotiations -- even if he has a pro bowl year.

I think 4 yrs 30 million, 17-20 guaranteed oughta do it (far less than top paid corners, but not an insult, and still less than Carr received), and could represent a bargain in a year or two if his trajectory continues to climb (ala late, like Norman).

He will laugh at 5 mil a year, unless he falls off a cliff or gets injured. If either of those two scenarios happen, yes maybe we get him somewhere around 3x15, 8-10 guaranteed

@bkight13 would have a better take on this, I'm sure. But I think I'm pretty close.

I haven't even finished reading the thread and had to stop at this ridiculousness. That is exactly how we got into trouble in the 2000s. Paying the Marion Barbers and Ken Hamlin's of the world huge multi year deals after a year of good play only for them to suck later.

I like how we're drafting lately and with Mo's history he can take 5 mil/year and thank god or walk. No chance I'm paying him any substantial money we can find better elsewhere that's more reliable concerning injuries.

 

[Nightman]

Thanks for the reply, I take heed in your proposal way the heck over mine.

Bkight, what do you think of the Tavon re-signing, esp as it relates to the ratio of term to guaranteed cash (42:30g). Was that just a horrid contract by an inept front office? Or are these higher guarantees the new norm?

I think it depends on the player........LA was making Austin one of the faces of the franchise....I think they overpayed a bit but the commitment was strong....that is why they guaranteed more...guys like Mo that have some concerns will stay in the 40% range......they aren't seen as building blocks but solid signings....teams can still get out after 2-3 years if things go bad

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I haven't even finished reading the thread and had to stop at this ridiculousness. That is exactly how we got into trouble in the 2000s. Paying the Marion Barbers and Ken Hamlin's of the world huge multi year deals after a year of good play only for them to suck later.

I like how we're drafting lately and with Mo's history he can take 5 mil/year and thank god or walk. No chance I'm paying him any substantial money we can find better elsewhere that's more reliable concerning injuries.

He played well last year too and has now built on it. Hamlin comparison is fair although he did dog it more than anything else that caused his decline. Barber was a RB and those should never be paid after around 28 or so.

As for his injuries it depends on how the MRI's and whatnot looks. He certainly plays like he is pain free.

 

[RS12]

I am highly skeptical when it comes to Mo, however so far:


He is actually making an honest effort to tackle also.

 

[Yajsllim]

Been saying it for a long time....long term deal coming.

do u think he is better than jimmie ward?