Mobile QB's in the NFL...

[cobra]

Are you saying that better mobility wouldn't make Drew any better?

No. It wouldn't. Or at least appreciably better.

Why? Because it is not a physical limitation. That is what you confused people can't seem to grasp. People look at Bledsoe, his size (and unfortunately, many of you look at skin color) and assume he just can't move. He can. He has shown he can. There are instances the last two weeks which show perfectly well that he can.

The reason why he doesn't take off and run is because it is a philosophical difference. He believes it is his job to stay in the pocket and try to let his WRs have time to get open. If Bledsoe had measurably Vick's physical ability, with Bledsoe's QB philosophy, he wouldn't run anymore. He would do the same thing he does now. Rely on his O-line to keep a pocket so that he can stand in it and deliver a ball. The problem is that the line didn't give him any pocket.

It's a philosophical belief with Bledsoe. It isn't a physicial limitation.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Yeah. Because that had SO MUCH to do with the quarterback.

He was so good and mobile and stuff.

Which team is he leading to the playoffs this year?

Oh wait, that's right: he is so god awfully bad that no team in the NFL wants him... even teams that need a quarterback.

Maybe... just maybe... it had nothing to do with whether the quarterback was any good that year (he clearly isn't; 32 NFL gms make that clear).

Dude...first of all if I liked that QB...I would have stated his name! Get off the NARROW glasses and think outside the box....we are talking about NFL mobile QB's...................not a man named QC. It was an example of how mobility helped a pretty poor oline... Have another beer.....

 

[Portland Fanatic]

The reason why he doesn't take off and run is because it is a philosophical difference. He believes it is his job to stay in the pocket and try to let his WRs have time to get open. If Bledsoe had measurably Vick's physical ability, with Bledsoe's QB philosophy, he wouldn't run anymore. He would do the same thing he does now. Rely on his O-line to keep a pocket so that he can stand in it and deliver a ball. The problem is that the line didn't give him any pocket.

It's a philosophical belief with Bledsoe. It isn't a physicial limitation.

This is absolute BS!!!

If he could he would move a he11 of a lot more then he does. NOONE would stand in there to take a sack if they had the ability to move and buy some time...talk about total BS.

Belief....it's lack of ability....proof. Take a look at any of his rollout passes....absolute horrid! He is not capable of doing that. He doesn't because he CAN'T.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Im all for a QB with some mobility but I think it is getting to a point that it is becoming overrated.

Go take a look at the Bears game last night. Mr. Vick, the king of mobility didnt do anything, which is to say, if the big boys up front are not getting it done, then it doesnt matter how much mobility you have.

- Mike G.

 

[joseephuss]

No. It wouldn't. Or at least appreciably better.

Why? Because it is not a physical limitation. That is what you confused people can't seem to grasp. People look at Bledsoe, his size (and unfortunately, many of you look at skin color) and assume he just can't move. He can. He has shown he can. There are instances the last two weeks which show perfectly well that he can.

The reason why he doesn't take off and run is because it is a philosophical difference. He believes it is his job to stay in the pocket and try to let his WRs have time to get open. If Bledsoe had measurably Vick's physical ability, with Bledsoe's QB philosophy, he wouldn't run anymore. He would do the same thing he does now. Rely on his O-line to keep a pocket so that he can stand in it and deliver a ball. The problem is that the line didn't give him any pocket.

It's a philosophical belief with Bledsoe. It isn't a physicial limitation.

Whichever you choose to believe still doesn't work when facing situations like yesterday. This line is not going to hold up against the better defenses. That philosophy has to change for Drew to be more successful. He can't sit and wait in a pocket that does not exist. So why doesn't he?

Now for a problem you just brought up, but did not exist before you brought it up. Skin color. I could care less what race Bledsoe is. I say he is not mobile because I have seen him play for years. He is not mobile compared to the rest of the league. That is just a fact. There are other QBs his size that move much better than him. Culpepper and Rothlesberger are two examples. They are actually bigger than Drew. Can he move at times? Yes. But can he move as well as 99% of the rest of the QBs in the league. No. He doesn't move as well as Duante or Ben or you can't honestly believe that he does. He is near the bottom of the league when it comes to mobility. That doesn't put him near the bottom as far as effectiveness as a QB. He can still be and still is a good QB when he has a pocket. It would be nice if he could or like you believe chose to move around more to compensate for this bad line.

 

[joseephuss]

Im all for a QB with some mobility but I think it is getting to a point that it is becoming overrated.

Go take a look at the Bears game last night. Mr. Vick, the king of mobility didnt do anything, which is to say, if the big boys up front are not getting it done, then it doesnt matter how much mobility you have.

- Mike G.

Yep, but Vick is still struggling in a good pocket with plenty of time to throw. I would say Vick is the extreme end. Brady and Roethlisberger have been cited before as good examples. They try to sit in the pockets, but when pressured they use their mobility to buy time and make plays. I think mobility is overrated. I think it is something you look for in a QB, but it shouldn't be the first thing you look for. Of course in situtations like yesterday's Sikns game, it may be the only thing that helps a QB survive getting his brains beat in.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yep, but Vick is still struggling in a good pocket with plenty of time to throw. I would say Vick is the extreme end. Brady and Roethlisberger have been cited before as good examples. They try to sit in the pockets, but when pressured they use their mobility to buy time and make plays. I think mobility is overrated. I think it is something you look for in a QB, but it shouldn't be the first thing you look for. Of course in situtations like yesterday's Sikns game, it may be the only thing that helps a QB survive getting his brains beat in.

Nah, I think you have to have some, but overrall I am more comfortable with guys that are throw first run last.

If Vick starts buying into the West Coast Offense and learning how to use that rocket arm of his.....look out .

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Yep, but Vick is still struggling in a good pocket with plenty of time to throw. I would say Vick is the extreme end. Brady and Roethlisberger have been cited before as good examples. They try to sit in the pockets, but when pressured they use their mobility to buy time and make plays. I think mobility is overrated. I think it is something you look for in a QB, but it shouldn't be the first thing you look for. Of course in situtations like yesterday's Sikns game, it may be the only thing that helps a QB survive getting his brains beat in.

Bingo!

Don't want Vick...but don't want Vinnie either. They need to be able to elude and feel the pressure like a Brady or many others for that matter. If needed, run a few yards to put us in 3rd and 5, rather then 3rd and 15...

Some posters simply do not get this at all and get totally defensive and can't hold a conversation. Crazy!

 

[joseephuss]

Nah, I think you have to have some, but overrall I am more comfortable with guys that are throw first run last.

If Vick starts buying into the West Coast Offense and learning how to use that rocket arm of his.....look out .

Then we agree. I think that was the original point to the thread. It is throw first and when you can't, use your legs to buy more time to throw. If that doesn't work, run for as much as you can. If you get yesterday's line performance, then just run for your life.

 

[Jimz31]

First off...this is NOT a Bledsoe bashing thread....


With today's NFL there are several defensive fronts, 3-4, 4-3, 4-6, and so on. There are many different looks within each of those defenses with each defensive coordinator have his own spin/look.

With that said....i'd almost think you'd need an all-pro line (with a real oline coach...hehe) to protect QB's that are not mobile. There are two many looks, and to many tremendous athletes out there to create the perfect throwing pocket over and over again.

Think about this....
2003 (10-6) with a mobile QB....he made some plays with his legs rather then taking sacks. Created in many cases 3rd and 5, instead of 3rd and 15 for example. Not counting scrambling for a first down.
2004 (6-10) with a very immobile QB...sitting duck. Forced to many second half throws because of lack of ability to move the chains on his own if needed.
2005 (guessing 9-7) with another immobile QB....statue that can teat any team up in the league IF given time...no time...one of the worst because of lack of ability to make plays or create more time to throw. Any kind of pocket collapse...play over!


In 2003...when we had a team that I think 99.9% of us would agree had LESS talent then we do now goes 10-6 with a mobile QB...is there something to this???

My personal belief is absolutely....I don't think in today's NFL you can protect a QB as long as we need to in order to have a chance...

So what is a mobile QB???

Most everyone thought is Mike Vick...well yes he qualifies, but I consider Tom Brady one of the best. He eludes pressure...and can throw on the run to create more time. Payton Manning does another excellent job of eluding the rush...as does Farve. Brunell (Bastid) is another one that can move around. Rothlisberger, Hasselbeck, Brees, Plummer, and so on....

I think we need to draft a young QB that is somewhere between a Vick and Bledsoe in order have a chance in the future....to much of one extreme towards running or a statue is to easy to figure out.

Thoughts???

Totally agree with you. The NFL has changed from just 5-7 years ago.

:thankyou:

 

[DeathToTheSkinS]

im not a fan of a mobile QB who runs to gain yardage rather than buy time such as Vick, McNabb, Carr,...I think theres to much risk in injury although McNabb has gotten better and Carr has no choice. However a guy who "mobile" in that he can slide a bit to by time such as Drew Brews, Jake Plummer, or even Matt Hasselbeck. Bledsoe is a statue back there.

 

[Hostile]

I don't think its necessarily mobility, but the ability of a QB to make plays with his legs.

Manning isn't mobile but his footwork gets him out of many sacks even when his protection breaks down. He's able to slide, step-up etc to give himself more time.

But guys like Elway, Staubach, Montana and Young were able to take off and pick-up yards when the play broke down or when nothing was available. They weren't necessarily mobile put had the ability to get out of dodge. Drew can't........

Bledsoe doesn't posses the ability to make defense account for more than his cannon arm. He's a one dimensional.

Troy had some mobility, but our running game and Oline was so dominant he was always passing into favorable conditions.

Back up there Charles. Isn't it a given that you and I will never agree on anything? If so, then you need to delete this post or edit it.

:wink2:

I think the greatest "mobility" a QB can have is the ability to see a problem coming and visualize how to escape it. I would not call Peyton Manning "mobile" but it is rare that you see him abused like yesterday. In the pocket or out of it he can make plays because he out thinks the other guy.

I'm not saying QBs labeled statues are dumb when I say this. I do think many of them start to get shell shocked.

The ability to scramble for yardage is fine. It cannot beat the ability to surgically put the ball wherever you want it. Steve Young could always run. Until he learned to use that as the last resort he didn't really achieve all he was capable of as a QB. Same with Roger Staubach. There is a reason why Tom Landry hated it when he took off running.

The QBs first job is to throw the ball. They have to do whatever they can to accomplish this and there is no one right way to go about it. Whether it is stepping aside, or up in the pocket, flat out leaving the pocket, or getting rid of it quickly with timing routes you have to avid the rush. The idea is to make the defense pay when they over react. That can't be done if you are going down without ever trying to get away.

The only "running" QB I ever saw who came into the league realizing this was John Elway. He only seemed to run when it was a dagger in the heart of the opposition. I've seen several "running" QBs develop into great passers. I already mentioned Staubach and Young. I think you can add McNabb and McNair to that. Not until this year has Jake Plummer seemed to grasp this concept. Look at the results.

I love watching Mike Vick because he is flat out dynamic. I agree with people that as a passer he leaves a lot to be desired. It isn't because of his arm. The kid has a rocket launcher. It's because to this point his mind isn't mobile enough to see the best ways to rip the opponent's heart out. Heaven help this league if he ever gets it. I have no idea how you'd defend against it. Chicago killed him yesterday, but he doesn't get it yet.