Cowboys fans are having a change of heart around head coach Brian Schottenheimer

[ArtClink]

When did you want Landry to step down?

If Jones wanted to move on from Landry, he deserved a face to face meeting and IMO Jerry should have kept him on the payroll as a consultant. Landry had already drafted Michael Irvin his last season as hc and was going to draft Aikman so things would have turned around and Landry likely would have likely retired after a few more seasons anyway.

 

[ArtClink]

This is true but should be true for all coaches I mean how is it the Pittsburgh Steelers coach and I know he's a really good coach he's lost seven straight playoff games I mean this is all about winning in the playoffs he's not doing too well neither is TJ Watt in that group over there big they all make excuses....

So patience is a virtue with a new head coach a brand new first time head coach there's a lot of many nfl and they all should get some time to prove themselves but all we have right now to judge him by is what he's done in the offseason and people are grading that now we can't grade what we haven't seen but if anyone starts ripping on this guy three games into the season without giving him some time I want that same energy for all the other new first time head coaches I don't want any excuses they should all get some time to grow into their position dan Campbell had a terrible first year and his GM put more and more talent every year on that team try to help him out and now he's proving his worth but he had no good reputation to be hired as a head coach either he had no business I never heard of Nick Siriani either his resume was pretty poor and what his GM do gave him every opportunity to win more games than he did we need to give some time to B S but we also have to remember who is G M is...

You gotta make sure his owner is ready to help him as much as some of these other head coaches has got.....

I don’t care how the Steelers are run but all we can do is hope our new hc can make noise in the playoffs.

 

[ArtClink]

He is unfairly going to be judged on one thing….if he can he overcome the Jerry factor.

He will need to get past the meddling, what Jerry would “like to see more of,” and being left short at a position or two on the field.

Unfortunately for all of us….as @gimmesix says…No-Schott.

No coach since Jimmy has been about to counter the devastating affects of all the distractions and obstacles to winning Jerry produces. After 30 seasons, it seems no head coach hamstrung by Jerry’s micromanagement tactics can ever get us past a few wild card wins every ten years. I wish him luck but Jerry has all the power and the hc has very little.

 

[ArtClink]

If it doesn't lead to results on the field, then did it really matter that he was spending all his time trying to be best buds with everyone in the off season?

They should be getting paid to win games, not for who is the best at paintball or who is the most popular. And if you haven't noticed, there are a few members here at CZ who, like Jerry, don't put much stock into winning anything.

I get it.

 

[KingCorcoran]

He hasn't done anything? He has been working his *** off.

Hopefully the other 31 NFL head coaches aren’t making a similar effort.

 

[Reid1boys]

You think more than 30% of Cowboys fans are even paying attention to anything happening with the Cowboys right now?

 

[quickccc]

I don't understand how the Pickens trade ignited anything. The guy isn't among the top 25 receivers, so what's so special? A trade for someone like Tyreek Hill would have actually been something to talk about.

The Pickens trade caused ignited excitement among local fan base because of the frustrations towards Cowboys front office perceived lack of effort .. more notably such as
the disinterest in stud RB Derrick Henry who not only publicly expressed a desire to play in Dallas, but at the rime of his free agent status eventually signed a bargain price 1 year deal for 16 million with the SB contending Baltimore Ravens .. while we cheaply were content ot stay with a backfield of Zeke Elliott, Rico & Deuce and street scrub Dalvin Cook, .." we couldn't afford him per Jerry.

- And that's not including the mid season trade of low heralded WR Mingo ... the inept development of ex-3rd rd. WR Tolbert. and 5th rd Ryan Flournoy
. the bust trade of vet WR Brandin Cook..

- And many perceive that Pickens suffered from a lack of QB play that has clearly plagued the Steelers for the past few years. even dating back to the decline of Big Ben .
as reasons why he has been stifled and limited in Pittsburgh. .

 

[DZSierra]

The Pickens trade caused ignited excitement among local fan base because of the frustrations towards Cowboys front office perceived lack of effort .. more notably such as
the disinterest in stud RB Derrick Henry who not only publicly expressed a desire to play in Dallas, but at the rime of his free agent status eventually signed a bargain price 1 year deal for 16 million with the SB contending Baltimore Ravens .. while we cheaply were content ot stay with a backfield of Zeke Elliott, Rico & Deuce and street scrub Dalvin Cook, .." we couldn't afford him per Jerry.

- And that's not including the mid season trade of low heralded WR Mingo ... the inept development of ex-3rd rd. WR Tolbert. and 5th rd Ryan Flournoy
. the bust trade of vet WR Brandin Cook..

- And many perceive that Pickens suffered from a lack of QB play that has clearly plagued the Steelers for the past few years. even dating back to the decline of Big Ben .
as reasons why he has been stifled and limited in Pittsburgh. .

As a fan, if people think I'm negative, apologies, not my intent. I just feel like I've been beaten to death year after year with the current owner/GM.

I REALLY REALLY hope we make the playoffs, but there is a part of me that for some reason worries about time management late in the game that will affect us when it's most important.

 

[blueblood70]

I missed it, exactly where did the cowboys breakthrough in the playoffs?

The issue this current team has is they have history to live up to between Landry and Johnson and older fans knew what winning the superbowl was like.

Add a owner who is arguably one of the worst GM's in the game, there is a reason why fans don't get their expectations up.

Younger fans may be able to get smoke blow up their arse with all this feel good crap when a regular game hasn't even been played yet, but I don't think that is the case with older fans.

Now what it's it's you guys you're trying to blow smoke up my arse and I'm not having it I just told you it's not about the playoffs first and foremost it's having a good enough Regular season and doing it consistent enough being there over and over until you breakthrough that's what I said but apparently your standard response is copy and paste I don't care about the last 20 or 30 years I don't care what you think of Jerry that is so standard response casual I don't need your approval on how to respond around here I don't need your approval on how to be a fan I will do and say what I want I won't have you coming and tell me different...

Totally see red when you read things and you have a standard response you didn't even read it correctly but it's ok I was talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers have lost seven straight playoff games but they gotta keep getting there they gotta keep winning enough games a regular season is fragging important and if you don't get it I can't help you you literally have to be consistently good in the regular season 1st and get back to the playoffs as much as possible in order to breakthrough eventually.

Do I need to say it three different ways for you to get it?.

Sometimes it does take a hammer to make a nail do its job but around here I'm tired of hearing it I watched the Kansas City chief takes 56 years to circle back around and get another championship there are teams that have not won zero championships there are some that's never even been to a Super Bowl hell the Cleveland Browns haven't even won a playoff game since 1989 so let's keep some perspective took the eagles from 1960 all the way to 2017 before they won their first championship,

I mean this is what I'm talking about you got to keep fighting and you'll eventually breakthrough....

And now here we are new coaching staff bunch of new players and you can't expect to run before you learn to crawl and walk that's what I call breaking through you first need to be good in a regular season that's his teams goal but shall we go to the DFW sports should we talk about the three major league teams in Dallas that are not the Dallas Cowboys and they only have three championships in their entire history between them that would be three total for three teams.

Jerry has 3 by himself the Cowboys have two more that's 5 SBS for the Cowboys, meaning this drought is waiting on number six..

it's a little easier to have patience when you're waiting on number six versus number one or number two...

I get it people get frustrated with droughts they get impatient then they start making up stupid narratives and keep hanging narratives every day in their post I don't give a crap what happened 20 or 30 years ago hell I barely care what happened last year this is a year to year league and again you establish a foundation by having a really good regular season and trying to make the playoffs that's your first step and every year it's new but you gotta keep trying and eventually as a fan base you will be rewarded.

Don't think that's the longest route in football or any other sports there's been a 100 year curse on a baseball team I mean you all act like toddlers around here like no other team goes through droughts and the Cowboys standard is so high that none of this has counted the last 20 years and I'm going to tell you you missed the bus the Cowboys are not the 70s and we're not the same as we were in the 90s and football has changed and it's very different especially with player navigation and moving around..

I know it's coming next, you're going to complain about my talk to text rambled on it's too long to read do you know what I don't care i'm not going to listen to your dribble and not respond so wipe your chin off and get with the program..

 

[blueblood70]

I don’t care how the Steelers are run but all we can do is hope our new hc can make noise in the playoffs.

That's not my point my point is they have struggled to get past the first round you just have to keep getting there and keep hoping that you'll break through at some point....

But actually you do care though i'm tired of everyone around here telling us how other teams are doing it better and how Jerry the gm is the worst in the league which isn't true he may not be one of the top guys but he's not the worst I was citing that because they lost seven straight playoff games meaning they haven't made it out of the first round in a very long time I was just making that point there are other teams that don't even make the playoffs on a regular basis there are some that haven't won a division title since 1989 i'm bringing up references because of all the ridiculous narratives about the last thirty years and I'm tired of hearing it other teams struggle other teams have long droughts just like I keep bringing you up the fact that the Kansas City Chiefs took 56 years to circle back around ours isn't even the longest drought in the NFL there's something like the Eagles that took from 1960 to 2017 to finally win a Super Bowl their very first and we're waiting on number six..

Oh yeah sometimes using another team as a example should help but it doesn't around here everyone thinks the Dallas Cowboys they have a different standard in everybody else no it's football it happens it's sports people go through droughts I get it the frustration our patients is wearing thin but you know what it's gonna feel that much sweeter when we finally breakthrough and we will someday be back in an NFC championship game and we will be back in aSuper Bowl it will it will happen when that will happen nobody knows...

 

[KingCorcoran]

Now what it's it's you guys you're trying to blow smoke up my arse and I'm not having it I just told you it's not about the playoffs first and foremost it's having a good enough Regular season and doing it consistent enough being there over and over until you breakthrough that's what I said but apparently your standard response is copy and paste I don't care about the last 20 or 30 years I don't care what you think of Jerry that is so standard response casual I don't need your approval on how to respond around here I don't need your approval on how to be a fan I will do and say what I want I won't have you coming and tell me different...

Totally see red when you read things and you have a standard response you didn't even read it correctly but it's ok I was talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers have lost seven straight playoff games but they gotta keep getting there they gotta keep winning enough games a regular season is fragging important and if you don't get it I can't help you you literally have to be consistently good in the regular season 1st and get back to the playoffs as much as possible in order to breakthrough eventually.

Do I need to say it three different ways for you to get it?.

Sometimes it does take a hammer to make a nail do its job but around here I'm tired of hearing it I watched the Kansas City chief takes 56 years to circle back around and get another championship there are teams that have not won zero championships there are some that's never even been to a Super Bowl hell the Cleveland Browns haven't even won a playoff game since 1989 so let's keep some perspective took the eagles from 1960 all the way to 2017 before they won their first championship,

I mean this is what I'm talking about you got to keep fighting and you'll eventually breakthrough....

And now here we are new coaching staff bunch of new players and you can't expect to run before you learn to crawl and walk that's what I call breaking through you first need to be good in a regular season that's his teams goal but shall we go to the DFW sports should we talk about the three major league teams in Dallas that are not the Dallas Cowboys and they only have three championships in their entire history between them that would be three total for three teams.

Jerry has 3 by himself the Cowboys have two more that's 5 SBS for the Cowboys, meaning this drought is waiting on number six..

it's a little easier to have patience when you're waiting on number six versus number one or number two...

I get it people get frustrated with droughts they get impatient then they start making up stupid narratives and keep hanging narratives every day in their post I don't give a crap what happened 20 or 30 years ago hell I barely care what happened last year this is a year to year league and again you establish a foundation by having a really good regular season and trying to make the playoffs that's your first step and every year it's new but you gotta keep trying and eventually as a fan base you will be rewarded.

Don't think that's the longest route in football or any other sports there's been a 100 year curse on a baseball team I mean you all act like toddlers around here like no other team goes through droughts and the Cowboys standard is so high that none of this has counted the last 20 years and I'm going to tell you you missed the bus the Cowboys are not the 70s and we're not the same as we were in the 90s and football has changed and it's very different especially with player navigation and moving around..

I know it's coming next, you're going to complain about my talk to text rambled on it's too long to read do you know what I don't care i'm not going to listen to your dribble and not respond so wipe your chin off and get with the program..

“I just told you”, “I don’t care what you think”, “I will do and say what I want”, “I won’t have you coming and tell me different”, “if you don’t get it I can’t help you”, “get with the program”…

Can you understand, in addition to the excess of your diatribe, such comments make people dismissive of your verbiage?

 

[Whirlwin]

Lets see how players believe in all his blathering after we lost the first 3 games in our good old fashion way.

Boy, I love your enthusiasm. Lol.

 

[Reid1boys]

No coach since Jimmy has been about to counter the devastating affects of all the distractions and obstacles to winning Jerry produces. After 30 seasons, it seems no head coach hamstrung by Jerry’s micromanagement tactics can ever get us past a few wild card wins every ten years. I wish him luck but Jerry has all the power and the hc has very little.

What you say is absolutely contradicted by Mike Fisher. He said that McCarthy was shocked at how much power he had in Dallas. Says he had way more authority here than he did in GB.

Ever hear JG talk? He repeatedly has said Jerry did not interfere. BUT, what people in the positions say, the reporters close to the situation say, all of that gets tossed out the window because it doesnt go with what you WANT the truth to be.

I hear the JETS owner doesnt interfere... hows that working out for them? You make it like Jerry is calling down in the game and telling the coach the next play to run.

The J-E-T-S havent been to a SB since what... 1969. Have they had real football people in charge?

 

[JW82]

Not, to set the bar to high for him...But i firmly believe Brian is the lovechild of Landry/Lombardi/Belicheck and John Wooden.

 

[jazzcat22]

What you say is absolutely contradicted by Mike Fisher. He said that McCarthy was shocked at how much power he had in Dallas. Says he had way more authority here than he did in GB.

Ever hear JG talk? He repeatedly has said Jerry did not interfere. BUT, what people in the positions say, the reporters close to the situation say, all of that gets tossed out the window because it doesnt go with what you WANT the truth to be.

I hear the JETS owner doesnt interfere... hows that working out for them? You make it like Jerry is calling down in the game and telling the coach the next play to run.

The J-E-T-S havent been to a SB since what... 1969. Have they had real football people in charge?

Great post.
But they can't deal with facts and truth.

They spew the same thing over and over. Collecting likes from each other. They will never believe otherwise.
Even Bill Parcels said he had a great working relationship with Jerry.

 

[DZSierra]

Jerry has 3 by himself the Cowboys have two more that's 5 SBS for the Cowboys, meaning this drought is waiting on number six..

"Jerry has 3 by himself...."???

You seem to suffer from the same delusions as Jerry.

I get it. Cowboys will make the playoffs this year, get into the first playoff game, down by 2 with no time outs on their own 40 yard line with 40 seconds on the clock. Clock runs out, no field goal, but wait till next year!

 

[jazzcat22]

"Jerry has 3 by himself...."???

You seem to suffer from the same delusions as Jerry.

I get it. Cowboys will make the playoffs this year, get into the first playoff game, down by 2 with no time outs on their own 40 yard line with 40 seconds on the clock. Clock runs out, no field goal, but wait till next year!

If there is 40 seconds left on the clock. They get the FG. No way they allow the clock to run out.
All they need is about 12 yards, and are in Aubrey's range.

The defense will have 2 choice. Defend against the deep ball. Or defend so they do not get that 12 yards. Either way a big play can happen.

 

[ArtClink]

What you say is absolutely contradicted by Mike Fisher. He said that McCarthy was shocked at how much power he had in Dallas. Says he had way more authority here than he did in GB.

Ever hear JG talk? He repeatedly has said Jerry did not interfere. BUT, what people in the positions say, the reporters close to the situation say, all of that gets tossed out the window because it doesnt go with what you WANT the truth to be.

I hear the JETS owner doesnt interfere... hows that working out for them? You make it like Jerry is calling down in the game and telling the coach the next play to run.

The J-E-T-S havent been to a SB since what... 1969. Have they had real football people in charge?

Jerry remains the most meddling owner in NFL history by a mile. LOL on McCarthy having more power in Dallas than Green Bay.

• He will often get a player his hc has no interest in (Parcells with T.O.) regardless if that player is a good fit on the field and in the locker room.
• Name another NFL GM that holds a simultaneous, post-game press conference as the head coach's press conference.
• Jerry put a gag order on Wade Phillips for a few weeks/months forbidding him to talk to the press.
• Name another NFL GM that hires staff for the new head coach before the new hc is even named (Jerry hired Garrett as the OC before Wade was hired as the hc)
• Jimmy Johnson remains the only hc Jerry hired that had in his contract that he had the last word in all football matters - that's a fact

 

[ArtClink]

That's not my point my point is they have struggled to get past the first round you just have to keep getting there and keep hoping that you'll break through at some point....

But actually you do care though i'm tired of everyone around here telling us how other teams are doing it better and how Jerry the gm is the worst in the league which isn't true he may not be one of the top guys but he's not the worst I was citing that because they lost seven straight playoff games meaning they haven't made it out of the first round in a very long time I was just making that point there are other teams that don't even make the playoffs on a regular basis there are some that haven't won a division title since 1989 i'm bringing up references because of all the ridiculous narratives about the last thirty years and I'm tired of hearing it other teams struggle other teams have long droughts just like I keep bringing you up the fact that the Kansas City Chiefs took 56 years to circle back around ours isn't even the longest drought in the NFL there's something like the Eagles that took from 1960 to 2017 to finally win a Super Bowl their very first and we're waiting on number six..

Oh yeah sometimes using another team as a example should help but it doesn't around here everyone thinks the Dallas Cowboys they have a different standard in everybody else no it's football it happens it's sports people go through droughts I get it the frustration our patients is wearing thin but you know what it's gonna feel that much sweeter when we finally breakthrough and we will someday be back in an NFC championship game and we will be back in aSuper Bowl it will it will happen when that will happen nobody knows...

After 29 seasons in a row without consecutive playoff wins puts Jerry in rare company.

 

[TexasBacon]

TBH I'm more excited about the coaching staff overall than I have been since Parcells. The jury is still out on Schotty, but from what I know the assistant coaches and coordinators all seem to be one of the best, deepest coaching rosters we've had in a long, long time. I think Adams will low key be a great OC and Eberflus is a great DC. And, we finally seem to have a great OL coach again which I don't think we've had since Callahan. Schotty seems to at least have a strategy and seems to be putting his foot in the dirt with Jerry a bit more than I thought he would. Sure, I wish Jerry had hired a proven coach but honestly I am more optimistic based on what I've seen so far. I would have to think his in-game time management and whatnot would be better than McCarthy.