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[Bob Sacamano]

I guess it depends on what you think of "playing in space"

in most 3-4 defenses they dont keep big run down ILB's on the field in obvious passing situations...on the run downs they plug holes and fill gaps, that is not "playing in space"

now of course in the backwards Bizarro world of Parcells and Zimmer, the above wasnt the case

David

ILBs in the 3-4 have to be able to run sideline to sideline, well at least the weakside inside LB does

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The article posted later in this thread shows otherwise, and I'll glad put my record on any subject against yours and theogt's any day.

I suggest you add another member so you guys can have your third stooge.

he's already in place

and Vintage is his name-o

















hoozah!

 

[blindzebra]

he's already in place

and Vintage is his name-o


















hoozah!

So I have noticed by their little tag team action on me the past few days...kind of sad when it's 3 on 1 and they still get their arses kicked.:laugh2:

 

[superpunk]

The article posted later in this thread shows otherwise, and I'll glad put my record on any subject against yours and theogt's any day.

The article just says that they tried to run the 3-4, and have a plan to install it. They barely played it at all, because they didn't have the personnel. So far, I've found that they played it for a half against the Saints in week 13, and went almost exclusively 4-3 before that. They were a 4-3 defense last year, that tried to run some 3-4. If you view running the 3-4 for a half as "running the 3-4" - more power to you. I thought you were talking about what they ran as a base defense. We ran a 4-3 against the Lions some last year - that doesn't mean last year was our first year running the 4-3.

After playing a 4-3 defense for most of the season, the 49ers went to a 3-4 alignment Sunday against the New Orleans Saints. Hannibal Navies, who was signed Nov. 22 to replace the injured T.J. Slaughter, started as an outside linebacker in place of defensive end Melvin Oliver. The change in scheme didn't stop the Saints from beating the 49ers 34-10, but at least early on, New Orleans' high-powered offense had problems moving the ball.

"We've shown a pretty strong tendency thus far this season with the 4-3," Coach Mike Nolan said. "I thought with their wide-open attack and their many personnel groupings, this would be a great complement. "It was very successful in the first half and we didn't really use it much the second half after they scored a couple times because it became a run game."

From an article from Inside Bay Area today.

Nolan noted that the 49ers will have at least four and perhaps as many as six new defensive starters. The unit also is making the transition to a 3-4 base scheme after using a 4-3 in the previous two seasons under Nolan.


"When you do that, there is a process that you go through, as our offense did, where you put the guys together," Nolan said. "We need to learn to play together because stopping the run is critical. They did a nice job on the pass, but at the same time, they weren't challenged as much because the run was working."

From an August 13 article

The 49ers' defense is a decidedly different unit than the one that helped the team to a stunning 26-23 overtime win against the Broncos just eight months ago.  

For one thing, the defense features a 3-4 alignment instead of the 4-3 it played last season. As far as personnel, Adams is gone and Harris will be on the bench, one of the perks of being a 30-something Pro Bowl player on an otherwise youthful team.

From an August 7 article

Franklin, who came to the 49ers as a free agent from Baltimore, is considered to be of vital importance in the team's switch from a 4-3 defense to the 3-4.

If I can make it more clear, or easier to understand for you, please let me know. I know you struggle sometimes, and I don't want comprehension to be a burden on anyone. So if you need any help, just give me a shout - I'm always ready to help you.

 

[theogt]

Wow, blindzebra is quite the masochist. Too bad he doesn't know when to stop.

 

[blindzebra]

This is rich.

This is the first year SF will run a 3-4.

Then you show several examples that the coach has been implementing it for 2 years.

Then you say things like, "See theogt was technically right."

Well technically right means he's technically wrong too.

Brilliant reasoning fellas.

 

[superpunk]

This is rich.

This is the first year SF will run a 3-4.

Then you show several examples that the coach has been implementing it for 2 years.

No. I didn't. I showed several examples where it said that this will be San Francisco's first year in the 3-4, and that they played a 4-3 last year.

Are you illiterate, by any chance? I mean, I tried to bold the quotes that said precisely "The unit also is making the transition to a 3-4 base scheme after using a 4-3 in the previous two seasons under Nolan." but somehow you still interpreted it wrong. I asked for clarification on whether or not you were talking about their base defense, or whether you were talking about whether they ran it *at all.* You never supplied an answer. Yes, they trotted out a 3-4 a few times last year. Never for more than a half. I don't consider that "running a 3-4", or being their first year in a 3-4.

Then you say things like, "See theogt was technically right."

Why is this in quotes? You're certainly not quoting me.

This was a pretty weak attempt at a recovery, after you got completely slammed with facts. Next time, maybe just apologize, beg my forgiveness, and I promise I'll be merciful. Also, if I can help you understand what I posted with all the links and such a few posts back - my offer still stands. You clearly didn't understand what they stated in plain English, so maybe I can assist. Just let me know how I can help you.

 

[Rack]

This is rich.

This is the first year SF will run a 3-4.

Then you show several examples that the coach has been implementing it for 2 years.

Then you say things like, "See theogt was technically right."

Well technically right means he's technically wrong too.

Brilliant reasoning fellas.

Here's the short of it:

Theo said this is the FIRST year they'll run the 3-4. He is wrong. End of story.


Good night.

 

[blindzebra]

(08-06) 18:41 PDT Santa Clara, Calif. (AP) --

Coach Mike Nolan seemed positively upbeat Monday when he announced that the San Francisco 49ers' starting nose tackle probably will miss the entire preseason.

That's because the news could have been much worse for Aubrayo Franklin, the unlikely centerpiece of Nolan's three-year scheme to install a true 3-4 defense in San Francisco.

Nolan, a longtime defensive coordinator, fired coordinator Billy Davis after the 49ers yielded an NFL-worst 412 points last season - one year after giving 428. Nolan then hired Greg Manusky away from San Diego to replace Davis before announcing the 49ers would field a true 3-4 scheme in 2007.

The club alternated among various defensive fronts in Nolan's first two years, but Nolan never had the personnel to run a true 3-4. San Francisco chiefly lacked a top-notch nose tackle, struggling to fill the spot with Isaac Sopoaga, Ronald Fields, Anthony Adams and other unsuited linemen last season.

Let's see they have been planning this move for two years, have played 3-4 at times for two years, and yet you still claim that this is the first year they have played 3-4...okay, and I'm the one that doesn't get it.

 

[blindzebra]

No. I didn't. I showed several examples where it said that this will be San Francisco's first year in the 3-4, and that they played a 4-3 last year.

Are you illiterate, by any chance? I mean, I tried to bold the quotes that said precisely "The unit also is making the transition to a 3-4 base scheme after using a 4-3 in the previous two seasons under Nolan." but somehow you still interpreted it wrong. I asked for clarification on whether or not you were talking about their base defense, or whether you were talking about whether they ran it *at all.* You never supplied an answer. Yes, they trotted out a 3-4 a few times last year. Never for more than a half. I don't consider that "running a 3-4", or being their first year in a 3-4.



Why is this in quotes? You're certainly not quoting me.

This was a pretty weak attempt at a recovery, after you got completely slammed with facts. Next time, maybe just apologize, beg my forgiveness, and I promise I'll be merciful. Also, if I can help you understand what I posted with all the links and such a few posts back - my offer still stands. You clearly didn't understand what they stated in plain English, so maybe I can assist. Just let me know how I can help you.

"Lookit - theogt is seldom wrong (except when he tries to test me - then he's way wrong). So I felt like checking with a guy I know about how much the 49ers played the 3-4. We all know they abandoned it, but turns out that technically, theogt is right and david and BZ are wrong (which is not a rare occurrence).

Live and learn - that's what I always say."


Look familiar Sparky?

 

[superpunk]

Let's see they have been planning this move for two years, have played 3-4 at times for two years, and yet you still claim that this is the first year they have played 3-4...okay, and I'm the one that doesn't get it.

They've been trying to work towards it. It was Nolan's aim from the beginning - but they haven't been able to.

Have they tried it at times? Certainly. And if your position is "They have on occasion trotted out a 3-4 look, and so I deem them as having played the 3-4 before" you should have said that the first time I brought it up.

They were a 4-3 defense last year, that tried to run some 3-4. If you view running the 3-4 for a half as "running the 3-4" - more power to you. I thought you were talking about what they ran as a base defense. We ran a 4-3 against the Lions some last year - that doesn't mean last year was our first year running the 4-3.

They were a 4-3 defense last year. This is their first year running the 3-4 as a base defense. I can find more articles that state that explicitly if you would like. Repetition can help some minds retain information better.

 

[theogt]

(08-06) 18:41 PDT Santa Clara, Calif. (AP) --

Coach Mike Nolan seemed positively upbeat Monday when he announced that the San Francisco 49ers' starting nose tackle probably will miss the entire preseason.

That's because the news could have been much worse for Aubrayo Franklin, the unlikely centerpiece of Nolan's three-year scheme to install a true 3-4 defense in San Francisco.

Nolan, a longtime defensive coordinator, fired coordinator Billy Davis after the 49ers yielded an NFL-worst 412 points last season - one year after giving 428. Nolan then hired Greg Manusky away from San Diego to replace Davis before announcing the 49ers would field a true 3-4 scheme in 2007.

The club alternated among various defensive fronts in Nolan's first two years, but Nolan never had the personnel to run a true 3-4. San Francisco chiefly lacked a top-notch nose tackle, struggling to fill the spot with Isaac Sopoaga, Ronald Fields, Anthony Adams and other unsuited linemen last season.

Let's see they have been planning this move for two years, have played 3-4 at times for two years, and yet you still claim that this is the first year they have played 3-4...okay, and I'm the one that doesn't get it.

Did you not see this? I mean, it's only directly next to the part you highlighted.

They ran a 3-4 for a few plays in a couple quarters. That's it. If someone said we ran a 4-3 defense in 2006, you'd think they're nuts. But we did run a 4-3 defense in one game (vs. Detroit). But when someone asks you what we ran in 2006, what would you reply? A 3-4 defense, of course.

 

[superpunk]

"Lookit - theogt is seldom wrong (except when he tries to test me - then he's way wrong). So I felt like checking with a guy I know about how much the 49ers played the 3-4. We all know they abandoned it, but turns out that technically, theogt is right and david and BZ are wrong (which is not a rare occurrence).

Live and learn - that's what I always say."


Look familiar Sparky?

Well, I did say that, but not the way you "quoted" me as saying it. Oh well, live and learn - my bad.

 

[theogt]

"Lookit - theogt is seldom wrong (except when he tries to test me - then he's way wrong). So I felt like checking with a guy I know about how much the 49ers played the 3-4. We all know they abandoned it, but turns out that technically, theogt is right and david and BZ are wrong (which is not a rare occurrence).

Live and learn - that's what I always say."


Look familiar Sparky?

Quotation marks are reserved for verbatim recitations.

Hope this helps in you understanding of the English language. Have a nice day.

 

[blindzebra]

They've been trying to work towards it. It was Nolan's aim from the beginning - but they haven't been able to.

Have they tried it at times? Certainly. And if your position is "They have on occasion trotted out a 3-4 look, and so I deem them as having played the 3-4 before" you should have said that the first time I brought it up.

They were a 4-3 defense last year. This is their first year running the 3-4 as a base defense. I can find more articles that state that explicitly if you would like. Repetition can help some minds retain information better.

Yeah keep repeating it and maybe someone not among the 3 stooges will buy it.

I'll go remedial for you.

Your buddy said this is their first year playing 3-4.

You, me and everyone else...even your buddy...said, well they played it some the past 2 years.

So when someone else says this isn't the first year they have played 3-4.

Just who is correct?

Try to catch up now, we'll wait.

 

[theogt]

Yeah keep repeating it and maybe someone not among the 3 stooges will buy it.

I'll go remedial for you.

Your buddy said this is their first year playing 3-4.

You, me and everyone else...even your buddy...said, well they played it some the past 2 years.

So when someone else says this isn't the first year they have played 3-4.

Just who is correct?

Try to catch up now, we'll wait.

Depends. Most rational human beings would read my statement to mean, "This is the first year that the 49ers have used a 3-4 scheme as their base defense." You see, rational human beings like to use shorthand so that we don't have type everything out.

An example: "The Cowboys ran a 4-3 defense in 2006."

Technically this statement is correct, since we ran a 4-3 against Detroit. However, the rational human being would read this statement as saying, "The Cowboys ran a 4-3 scheme as their base defense in 2006." If read that way, the statement is obviously incorrect.

Again, this is how rational human beings interpret things. Now, dumb**** Neanderthals interpret things in all sorts of ways.

 

[superpunk]

Yeah keep repeating it and maybe someone not among the 3 stooges will buy it.

I'll go remedial for you.

Your buddy said this is their first year playing 3-4.

You, me and everyone else...even your buddy...said, well they played it some the past 2 years.

So when someone else says this isn't the first year they have played 3-4.

Just who is correct?

Try to catch up now, we'll wait.

This exchange

this is the 49ers first season in the 3-4

This is not SF's first year in a 3-4.

Seems to suggest that you meant that SF played last year in the 3-4. To my eyes, you are clearly talking about their base defense for last season. Am I incorrect? When you said "This is not SF's first year in a 3-4" did you mean that San Francisco had played in the 3-4 for a few quarters last year, but abandoned it because they didn't have the personnel?

After all, we ran the 4-3 for a few quarters last year - would it be accurate of me to say that last year was our first year in a 4-3?

If the above is what you meant, just say so, and we can be done.

 

[peplaw06]

Here's the short of it:

Theo said this is the FIRST year they'll run the 3-4. He is wrong. End of story.


Good night.

Let's play games with what word to emphasize.

"this is the FIRST year they will run the 3-4."

"this is the first YEAR they will run the 3-4."

"this is the first year THEY will run the 3-4."

"this is the first year they will RUN the 3-4."

hmmmmm...

I pick number 2. End of story.

Oh, and Dallas played a Nickel D last year. And probably some form of goal line defense. That is all.

 

[superpunk]

Oh, and Dallas played a Nickel D last year. And probably some form of goal line defense. That is all.

I almost missed this epic line. Thank goodness for rechecking a thread to see edits.

Welcome to our amigoship, or whatever they're calling it these days. But you were already a member - you knew that didn't you? - you big liar.

 

[theogt]