Moore, McCarthy or Dak. one of them has to go

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I got to this point with the Romo/Garrett marriage around 2012. It wasn't working.. and it didn't look like it every would. The only thing that changed my mind was that stretch at the end of 2013 when Romo willed us into playoff contention and basically took over play calling from Garrett from that point forward. Why do I want this to happen? I will detail them one by one.

Moore:
Reason number 1) "Yards are yards." Ever since he made this statement I have wanted him gone. He doesn't understand or appreciate the running game and it showed up again Sunday. The 49ers were averaging the same paltry ypc we were until late in the 4th quarter yet they NEVER went away from it. Meanwhile we went full Mountain West pretty much from the jump.

Reason number 2) Good DCs know our plays. Teams have been telling us for 15 years that they can tell what the Cowboys are going to run on any given play in any given situation based on offensive and defensive alignments. We see repeatedly that defenders are in our backfield immediately on run plays and they are sitting waiting for our receivers (or the ball) to come to them on pass plays.

Reason number 3) Ultimately it's his job to get the most out of his players and that includes Dak. He's certainly not getting the most out of Dak but I could add Lamb, Zeke, TP and damn near anybody else on the offense to that list.

McCarthy:
Reason number 1) Game management.. We had the ball and control of the game with a minute and a half left in the first half and he let Moore and Dak run a damn high risk pass over the middle into the teeth of the defense which led to the INT when the smart move would have been either run the ball, eat clock and make sure not only that you go into the half up and in control but you leave them no time and no momentum. And if you were going to throw it, it's a fade to the corner where your guy gets it or nobody does. I get that he may not have fully understood what that play call was.. but that's all the more reason he needs to be gone. Those game management gaffes are a recurring theme since he got here.

Dak:

Reason number 1 I still believe his biggest fault is he believes too much in Kellen Moore. HE should have been the one to shake off some of those stupid pass plays in dumb situations. He is a good pocket passer but not a great pocket passer. So get the hell out of the pocket and make plays and be great and quit sitting in the pocket and being average. I think getting away from Moore might save his career from being Tony Romo 2.0 AND it might get a QB under center in Dallas who Moore will either have to go back to the Cooper Rush game plan with or that QB will be better than Dak and take the team to that next level.

Reason number 2) He accepts losing too gracefully. I get that the QB needs to be calm and even keel but I need him to get more pissed off and fired up when guys are out there running half-*** routes or dropping balls or lollygagging going out of bounds or just not blocking up front. He also needs to RUN THE DAMN BALL MORE. I don't care if the damn critics don't consider him "elite" if he runs it 10-12 times for 50+ yards a game. If that's what is needed to win games.. then that's what you do. I would much rather see a 5-6 yard run and slide vs a last second dumpoff to Zeke or TP with 6 inches before they go out of bounds and a defender standing right next to them.

I do think that best possible solution is for Moore to leave. And take Nussmeier with him. They have not significantly improved Dak's performance over these last three years.. so I'm done with them. Let McCarthy implement his offense, bring in a QB coach who CAN improve Dak's performance and LFG. But it would not hurt me to see McCarthy gone as well. If he's not strong enough to keep Boy Wonder in check then he's not the man to lead this team to the promised land anyway.
 

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If I had to pick 1 I’d vote Moore. I think he’s a good OC, have to be to have a top 0 in back to back years, but some of the play calling and route concepts in big games is absolutely maddening. Add in the point about the opposing players knowing our plays and calling us vanilla makes it an easy choice.

My preference though would be for Mike to work with Kellen to make the O more diverse and for Jerry to give us an actual playoff caliber WR room.
 

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I don’t think Kellen Moore is the problem but it’s worth a try to hire someone else.

Problem is the Jones’s believe in continuity.

Meanwhile in Philadelphia they win a Super Bowl, blow the whole thing up and start over, and are right back in a NFV championship as the 1 seed.

Our continuity needs to be changed lol.
 

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Jerry has to go. We've already played the coach and players carousel. Switching one of them out isn't going to solve the problem. We need to get rid of the person creating the culture of the Cowboys, but you can't do that since he's the owner
 

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I got to this point with the Romo/Garrett marriage around 2012. It wasn't working.. and it didn't look like it every would. The only thing that changed my mind was that stretch at the end of 2013 when Romo willed us into playoff contention and basically took over play calling from Garrett from that point forward. Why do I want this to happen? I will detail them one by one.

Moore:
Reason number 1) "Yards are yards." Ever since he made this statement I have wanted him gone. He doesn't understand or appreciate the running game and it showed up again Sunday. The 49ers were averaging the same paltry ypc we were until late in the 4th quarter yet they NEVER went away from it. Meanwhile we went full Mountain West pretty much from the jump.

Reason number 2) Good DCs know our plays. Teams have been telling us for 15 years that they can tell what the Cowboys are going to run on any given play in any given situation based on offensive and defensive alignments. We see repeatedly that defenders are in our backfield immediately on run plays and they are sitting waiting for our receivers (or the ball) to come to them on pass plays.

Reason number 3) Ultimately it's his job to get the most out of his players and that includes Dak. He's certainly not getting the most out of Dak but I could add Lamb, Zeke, TP and damn near anybody else on the offense to that list.

McCarthy:
Reason number 1) Game management.. We had the ball and control of the game with a minute and a half left in the first half and he let Moore and Dak run a damn high risk pass over the middle into the teeth of the defense which led to the INT when the smart move would have been either run the ball, eat clock and make sure not only that you go into the half up and in control but you leave them no time and no momentum. And if you were going to throw it, it's a fade to the corner where your guy gets it or nobody does. I get that he may not have fully understood what that play call was.. but that's all the more reason he needs to be gone. Those game management gaffes are a recurring theme since he got here.

Dak:

Reason number 1 I still believe his biggest fault is he believes too much in Kellen Moore. HE should have been the one to shake off some of those stupid pass plays in dumb situations. He is a good pocket passer but not a great pocket passer. So get the hell out of the pocket and make plays and be great and quit sitting in the pocket and being average. I think getting away from Moore might save his career from being Tony Romo 2.0 AND it might get a QB under center in Dallas who Moore will either have to go back to the Cooper Rush game plan with or that QB will be better than Dak and take the team to that next level.

Reason number 2) He accepts losing too gracefully. I get that the QB needs to be calm and even keel but I need him to get more pissed off and fired up when guys are out there running half-*** routes or dropping balls or lollygagging going out of bounds or just not blocking up front. He also needs to RUN THE DAMN BALL MORE. I don't care if the damn critics don't consider him "elite" if he runs it 10-12 times for 50+ yards a game. If that's what is needed to win games.. then that's what you do. I would much rather see a 5-6 yard run and slide vs a last second dumpoff to Zeke or TP with 6 inches before they go out of bounds and a defender standing right next to them.

I do think that best possible solution is for Moore to leave. And take Nussmeier with him. They have not significantly improved Dak's performance over these last three years.. so I'm done with them. Let McCarthy implement his offense, bring in a QB coach who CAN improve Dak's performance and LFG. But it would not hurt me to see McCarthy gone as well. If he's not strong enough to keep Boy Wonder in check then he's not the man to lead this team to the promised land anyway.
my vote=Moore:
Reason number 1) "Yards are yards." Ever since he made this statement I have wanted him gone. He doesn't understand or appreciate the running game and it showed up again Sunday. The 49ers were averaging the same paltry ypc we were until late in the 4th quarter yet they NEVER went away from it. Meanwhile we went full Mountain West pretty much from the jump.


16 runs!!! NO Mailk Davis.. no creative ways to get soem bigger runs.,gave up on the RUN again!! ive had it!
 

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...Damn Ron, that was an enjoyable read. Very perceptive, indeed.

I agree, with KM and Dak. I think MM does or did good job overall.

I WOULD lay most fault on KM, then Dak. He's the guy seeing the field, calling plays and basically trying to out -chess the defense.

I honestly feel, getting fresh OC here, would improve our Situations.

Then only Dak, will begin to see things in different light. I always admired how McDaniel, when he was OC for Pats. Ran creative play after play.

I thought to myself. How many plays do these guy have? And how can they remember all of them?

But yer correct, rid if KM and his counterpart Nussmess. Take another shot in 23'.
 

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I got to this point with the Romo/Garrett marriage around 2012. It wasn't working.. and it didn't look like it every would. The only thing that changed my mind was that stretch at the end of 2013 when Romo willed us into playoff contention and basically took over play calling from Garrett from that point forward. Why do I want this to happen? I will detail them one by one.

Moore:
Reason number 1) "Yards are yards." Ever since he made this statement I have wanted him gone. He doesn't understand or appreciate the running game and it showed up again Sunday. The 49ers were averaging the same paltry ypc we were until late in the 4th quarter yet they NEVER went away from it. Meanwhile we went full Mountain West pretty much from the jump.

Reason number 2) Good DCs know our plays. Teams have been telling us for 15 years that they can tell what the Cowboys are going to run on any given play in any given situation based on offensive and defensive alignments. We see repeatedly that defenders are in our backfield immediately on run plays and they are sitting waiting for our receivers (or the ball) to come to them on pass plays.

Reason number 3) Ultimately it's his job to get the most out of his players and that includes Dak. He's certainly not getting the most out of Dak but I could add Lamb, Zeke, TP and damn near anybody else on the offense to that list.

McCarthy:
Reason number 1) Game management.. We had the ball and control of the game with a minute and a half left in the first half and he let Moore and Dak run a damn high risk pass over the middle into the teeth of the defense which led to the INT when the smart move would have been either run the ball, eat clock and make sure not only that you go into the half up and in control but you leave them no time and no momentum. And if you were going to throw it, it's a fade to the corner where your guy gets it or nobody does. I get that he may not have fully understood what that play call was.. but that's all the more reason he needs to be gone. Those game management gaffes are a recurring theme since he got here.

Dak:

Reason number 1 I still believe his biggest fault is he believes too much in Kellen Moore. HE should have been the one to shake off some of those stupid pass plays in dumb situations. He is a good pocket passer but not a great pocket passer. So get the hell out of the pocket and make plays and be great and quit sitting in the pocket and being average. I think getting away from Moore might save his career from being Tony Romo 2.0 AND it might get a QB under center in Dallas who Moore will either have to go back to the Cooper Rush game plan with or that QB will be better than Dak and take the team to that next level.

Reason number 2) He accepts losing too gracefully. I get that the QB needs to be calm and even keel but I need him to get more pissed off and fired up when guys are out there running half-*** routes or dropping balls or lollygagging going out of bounds or just not blocking up front. He also needs to RUN THE DAMN BALL MORE. I don't care if the damn critics don't consider him "elite" if he runs it 10-12 times for 50+ yards a game. If that's what is needed to win games.. then that's what you do. I would much rather see a 5-6 yard run and slide vs a last second dumpoff to Zeke or TP with 6 inches before they go out of bounds and a defender standing right next to them.

I do think that best possible solution is for Moore to leave. And take Nussmeier with him. They have not significantly improved Dak's performance over these last three years.. so I'm done with them. Let McCarthy implement his offense, bring in a QB coach who CAN improve Dak's performance and LFG. But it would not hurt me to see McCarthy gone as well. If he's not strong enough to keep Boy Wonder in check then he's not the man to lead this team to the promised land anyway.


We know you love Zeke, what about him!??
 

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Doug nuss will take Kellen Moore place to keep DAK happy and will keep the same offense to make sure Dak doesn't have to learn a new offense which would confuse him
 

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Well there's hope Moore gets the Carolina job and that solves one of your situations. McCarthy isn't going anywhere so do not expect it and the same goes for Dak. My hope is we keep Quinn for another year although it might not happen. Frankly, the next OC is going to be the most challenging thing we do in the offseason. If Brady retires then bring him in immediately as the QB coach, would be the best thing to happen with Dak.
 

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Dish the inept gimp # 4 as our coaches did their Job......
 

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We know you love Zeke, what about him!??

The guy getting the ball 10-12 times in a game isn't the reason we lost. The guy only giving him the ball that many times in a tough defensive slugfest type of game is. That game was tailor made to hand Zeke the ball 30 times. Even if he only gained 80 some yards we would have worn their defense down (like they did ours) and probably won the damn game. But Moore does not want to win that way. He'd rather go down slingin it than win with the ground game.
 

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I keep McCarthy. It's not Cap feasible to put the necessary pieces around Dak in order to get him to play at the level necessary to compete with the likes of divisional round competition. Moore would probably be a HC by now if he had a good QB who didn't throw 1+ picks/game. That said, they are stuck with Dak for two more years. Keep building that OL and running game. Draft/sign QB prospects every year.
 

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I keep McCarthy. It's not Cap feasible to put the necessary pieces around Dak in order to get him to play at the level necessary to compete with the likes of divisional round competition. Moore would probably be a HC by now if he had a good QB who didn't throw 1+ picks/game. That said, they are stuck with Dak for two more years. Keep building that OL and running game. Draft/sign QB prospects every year.
Then why didn't he get a head coaching job back when Dak was throwing single INTs per season? Find some new material. Moore is good not great. Just like Dak. I don't think that pairing can get to the mountain top so one of them has to go in my view. If it's me making the call it's "Yards are yards" who goes.
 

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Then why didn't he get a head coaching job back when Dak was throwing single INTs per season? Find some new material. Moore is good not great. Just like Dak. I don't think that pairing can get to the mountain top so one of them has to go in my view. If it's me making the call it's "Yards are yards" who goes.
I am not sold on either and wouldn't be bothered a bit if they both left he building.
 

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Yes, Kellen Moore is why Dak can't make the throws to open receivers (Cee Dee and Gallup) that would have totally changed the game. Receivers were open (even without Pollard in the game) Moore's scheme got players open. Dak made the poor decisions and bad throws. It's been 7 yeards gents and ladies. Dak's deficincies look mightly similar to his college scouting report. At a certain point a player performs consistenly and proves himself or doesn't. Dak's issue is he doesn't have the god given talent, it's not coaching.
 

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I am not sold on either and wouldn't be bothered a bit if they both left he building.
Well I think you would probably not like the team the Cowboys would field if they had to eat a 50 million dollar dead money cap hit. So practically speaking the best chance of this offense becoming more consistent and more playoff ready is for "Yards are yards" to leave town. IMHO of course.
 

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Yes, Kellen Moore is why Dak can't make the throws to open receivers (Cee Dee and Gallup) that would have totally changed the game. Receivers were open (even without Pollard in the game) Moore's scheme got players open. Dak made the poor decisions and bad throws.

Yep.. ultimately if a player is not doing something well it's up to the coaches to stop asking that player to do that thing. If Dak is off or not seeing the field then do something to help him. Move the pocket, call some designed runs for him, lean on the running game. Whatever the hell you have to do.. I mean was Moore not watching the game and seeing that the defense was confusing his quarterback and smothering his receivers most of the time?
 

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Well I think you would probably not like the team the Cowboys would field if they had to eat a 50 million dollar dead money cap hit. So practically speaking the best chance of this offense becoming more consistent and more playoff ready is for "Yards are yards" to leave town. IMHO of course.
Yea, no doubt, they are stuck with Dak for 2 more years. That is why I have been big proponent to keep building and improving that OL and running game.
 
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