Moore, McCarthy or Dak. one of them has to go

[mahoneybill]

...Damn Ron, that was an enjoyable read. Very perceptive, indeed.

I agree, with KM and Dak. I think MM does or did good job overall.

I WOULD lay most fault on KM, then Dak. He's the guy seeing the field, calling plays and basically trying to out -chess the defense.

I honestly feel, getting fresh OC here, would improve our Situations.

Then only Dak, will begin to see things in different light. I always admired how McDaniel, when he was OC for Pats. Ran creative play after play.

I thought to myself. How many plays do these guy have? And how can they remember all of them?

But yer correct, rid if KM and his counterpart Nussmess. Take another shot in 23'.

I’d prefer MM to call the plays. He did it in GB

 

[HMJYay]

Yep.. ultimately if a player is not doing something well it's up to the coaches to stop asking that player to do that thing. If Dak is off or not seeing the field then do something to help him. Move the pocket, call some designed runs for him, lean on the running game. Whatever the hell you have to do.. I mean was Moore not watching the game and seeing that the defense was confusing his quarterback and smothering his receivers most of the time?

I agree and am totally open to a new OC with all of this said. But, two things can be true. We may need a new OC and a new QB. Or maybe McCarthy needs to run the offense like he's done in his career. All I know is after the last game if I'm honestly answering this question players were open and Dak pooped the bed.

 

[RonnieT24]

Yea, no doubt, they are stuck with Dak for 2 more years. That is why I have been big proponent to keep building and improving that OL and running game.

Yeah but even when we had one of the best offensive lines and running backs in the league Moore wanted to throw it 40 times a game. The minute he took over play calling the running game got de-emphasized and we have not been a true playoff level offense since. Yeah we can boat race chumps but good DCs use our paint by numbers passing game formula to completely neuter us.

 

[starfan1]

not sure anything is going to change in fact if I was betting id bet all 3 return. I can find flaws in all 3 and ill be honest getting rid of Moore is unlikely to fix dak. Getting rid of dak is unlikely to fix the Moore and the cowboys. Dak had a crap year and crap games but i think Moore is a small piece of the problem.He just keeps regressing but he isnt losing alone.

If the cowboys dont get more offensive weapons they will stay the same. Its a differemnt team when pollard went down then it was up to just dak and Ceedee and san fran knew that and dak was to obvious where he was going. Im really not all that mad and dissapointed like some of the others are here.

I didnt expect them to win but id thought theyd look better in losing. I cant help but think if they had faith in Maher they dont go for it and Pollard dont get hurt and dak dont throw 1 of his picks. Things went south from that point.

if diggs dont make a tackling business choice Kittle dont catch that pass what a wuss. If he catches that INT they dont score. If my aunt had balls shed be my uncle oh well theres always next year

 

[RonnieT24]

I’d prefer MM to call the plays. He did it in GB

I would like to see that for at least one season as well. My concern is, he has shown to be rather poor at game management and situational awareness. Does that get better or worse if he's calling the plays?

 

[nightrain]

Yeah but even when we had one of the best offensive lines and running backs in the league Moore wanted to throw it 40 times a game. The minute he took over play calling the running game got de-emphasized and we have not been a true playoff level offense since. Yeah we can boat race chumps but good DCs use our paint by numbers passing game formula to completely neuter us.

I can't determine if it's Dak or Moore responsible for the pass/run ratio. You think this is all on Moore?

 

[FanofJerry]

2) He accepts losing too gracefully.

I thought he got his helmet intercepted after the game, tho?

 

[xwalker]

I got to this point with the Romo/Garrett marriage around 2012. It wasn't working.. and it didn't look like it every would. The only thing that changed my mind was that stretch at the end of 2013 when Romo willed us into playoff contention and basically took over play calling from Garrett from that point forward. Why do I want this to happen? I will detail them one by one.

Moore:
Reason number 1) "Yards are yards." Ever since he made this statement I have wanted him gone. He doesn't understand or appreciate the running game and it showed up again Sunday. The 49ers were averaging the same paltry ypc we were until late in the 4th quarter yet they NEVER went away from it. Meanwhile we went full Mountain West pretty much from the jump.

Reason number 2) Good DCs know our plays. Teams have been telling us for 15 years that they can tell what the Cowboys are going to run on any given play in any given situation based on offensive and defensive alignments. We see repeatedly that defenders are in our backfield immediately on run plays and they are sitting waiting for our receivers (or the ball) to come to them on pass plays.

Reason number 3) Ultimately it's his job to get the most out of his players and that includes Dak. He's certainly not getting the most out of Dak but I could add Lamb, Zeke, TP and damn near anybody else on the offense to that list.

McCarthy:
Reason number 1) Game management.. We had the ball and control of the game with a minute and a half left in the first half and he let Moore and Dak run a damn high risk pass over the middle into the teeth of the defense which led to the INT when the smart move would have been either run the ball, eat clock and make sure not only that you go into the half up and in control but you leave them no time and no momentum. And if you were going to throw it, it's a fade to the corner where your guy gets it or nobody does. I get that he may not have fully understood what that play call was.. but that's all the more reason he needs to be gone. Those game management gaffes are a recurring theme since he got here.

Dak:

Reason number 1 I still believe his biggest fault is he believes too much in Kellen Moore. HE should have been the one to shake off some of those stupid pass plays in dumb situations. He is a good pocket passer but not a great pocket passer. So get the hell out of the pocket and make plays and be great and quit sitting in the pocket and being average. I think getting away from Moore might save his career from being Tony Romo 2.0 AND it might get a QB under center in Dallas who Moore will either have to go back to the Cooper Rush game plan with or that QB will be better than Dak and take the team to that next level.

Reason number 2) He accepts losing too gracefully. I get that the QB needs to be calm and even keel but I need him to get more pissed off and fired up when guys are out there running half-*** routes or dropping balls or lollygagging going out of bounds or just not blocking up front. He also needs to RUN THE DAMN BALL MORE. I don't care if the damn critics don't consider him "elite" if he runs it 10-12 times for 50+ yards a game. If that's what is needed to win games.. then that's what you do. I would much rather see a 5-6 yard run and slide vs a last second dumpoff to Zeke or TP with 6 inches before they go out of bounds and a defender standing right next to them.

I do think that best possible solution is for Moore to leave. And take Nussmeier with him. They have not significantly improved Dak's performance over these last three years.. so I'm done with them. Let McCarthy implement his offense, bring in a QB coach who CAN improve Dak's performance and LFG. But it would not hurt me to see McCarthy gone as well. If he's not strong enough to keep Boy Wonder in check then he's not the man to lead this team to the promised land anyway.

You'll have to live with upgrading the offensive talent.

Jerry/Stephen with pay for WRs in FA or by trade and the OBJ meeting shows that they want one. They also tried to trade for Cooks.

 

[Big_D]

Out of the 3 Dak would be the number 1 choice. But considering the finances Moore has to go.

 

[tomsanders921]

I got to this point with the Romo/Garrett marriage around 2012. It wasn't working.. and it didn't look like it every would. The only thing that changed my mind was that stretch at the end of 2013 when Romo willed us into playoff contention and basically took over play calling from Garrett from that point forward. Why do I want this to happen? I will detail them one by one.

Moore:
Reason number 1) "Yards are yards." Ever since he made this statement I have wanted him gone. He doesn't understand or appreciate the running game and it showed up again Sunday. The 49ers were averaging the same paltry ypc we were until late in the 4th quarter yet they NEVER went away from it. Meanwhile we went full Mountain West pretty much from the jump.

Reason number 2) Good DCs know our plays. Teams have been telling us for 15 years that they can tell what the Cowboys are going to run on any given play in any given situation based on offensive and defensive alignments. We see repeatedly that defenders are in our backfield immediately on run plays and they are sitting waiting for our receivers (or the ball) to come to them on pass plays.

Reason number 3) Ultimately it's his job to get the most out of his players and that includes Dak. He's certainly not getting the most out of Dak but I could add Lamb, Zeke, TP and damn near anybody else on the offense to that list.

McCarthy:
Reason number 1) Game management.. We had the ball and control of the game with a minute and a half left in the first half and he let Moore and Dak run a damn high risk pass over the middle into the teeth of the defense which led to the INT when the smart move would have been either run the ball, eat clock and make sure not only that you go into the half up and in control but you leave them no time and no momentum. And if you were going to throw it, it's a fade to the corner where your guy gets it or nobody does. I get that he may not have fully understood what that play call was.. but that's all the more reason he needs to be gone. Those game management gaffes are a recurring theme since he got here.

Dak:

Reason number 1 I still believe his biggest fault is he believes too much in Kellen Moore. HE should have been the one to shake off some of those stupid pass plays in dumb situations. He is a good pocket passer but not a great pocket passer. So get the hell out of the pocket and make plays and be great and quit sitting in the pocket and being average. I think getting away from Moore might save his career from being Tony Romo 2.0 AND it might get a QB under center in Dallas who Moore will either have to go back to the Cooper Rush game plan with or that QB will be better than Dak and take the team to that next level.

Reason number 2) He accepts losing too gracefully. I get that the QB needs to be calm and even keel but I need him to get more pissed off and fired up when guys are out there running half-*** routes or dropping balls or lollygagging going out of bounds or just not blocking up front. He also needs to RUN THE DAMN BALL MORE. I don't care if the damn critics don't consider him "elite" if he runs it 10-12 times for 50+ yards a game. If that's what is needed to win games.. then that's what you do. I would much rather see a 5-6 yard run and slide vs a last second dumpoff to Zeke or TP with 6 inches before they go out of bounds and a defender standing right next to them.

I do think that best possible solution is for Moore to leave. And take Nussmeier with him. They have not significantly improved Dak's performance over these last three years.. so I'm done with them. Let McCarthy implement his offense, bring in a QB coach who CAN improve Dak's performance and LFG. But it would not hurt me to see McCarthy gone as well. If he's not strong enough to keep Boy Wonder in check then he's not the man to lead this team to the promised land anyway.

Moore has to go. You obviously can't get rid of Dak because of the contract. But he has not improved at all under Kellen Moore.

It may not be kellens fault, but something has to change, and that's about the only option you have. If you bring in a new oc and QB coach and Dak still doesn't take the next step, then you might be in a position to get rid of him.

Dak needs an oc/coach that will come in and put the training wheels back on him. This team is good enough to win without great QB play in most games they play. He has been given too much freedom and it's clear he is not good at reading defenses and adjusting on the fly.

 

[visionary]

More thinly veiled Dak jock sniffing from his homie who was front and center telling us he should be paid 40 million per when many of us were arguing against it

 

[Yoshimitsu]

For me it's Dak and Kellen. Both Garrett era guys and they need to be gone.

 

[Mr_437]

Kellen and Dak are inconsistent and mess up at critical moments when they could just make the easy football play. MM is at fault because he does nothing to fix these issues that have been going on since he got here. None of this stuff is new, it's been a problem for years. All of them are at fault.

 

[KJJ]

Kellen Moore. I’m certainly not leaving myself without a viable QB. Say goodbye to Dak and go with Cooper Rush, or whatever veteran castoff you can scrape up and you can say goodbye to the playoffs. I saw one lame brain on here the other day chanting for Matt Ryan.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Dak and Zeke.

Let the BFFs go and ruin another teams chances of ever winning anything in the postseason.

See ya.

 

[SHAMSzy]

calling dak “romo 2.0” is quite the compliment

i didn’t feel out of a game with romo, nor did i feel like HE let us down

i can’t say the same about dak, who i have lost all faith in & have tried my best to support him

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Show me a graceful loser and I'll show you a loser.

Dak gotta go.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

Dak - is what he is. Backyard football player. Your not going to get pedigree talent with him, especially after year 7. Can you build an organization around him to win? Yes, but this organization isn't capable of doing it. I say we ride him out for 2 more years and trade up to draft a #1 QB. This team hasn't had one since aikman. Coincidence?

Moore - Dallas seems to have the same system in place for over 10 years. I think it's time to flush the entire offense coaches and schemes and start over.

MM - I think you can find other qualified coaches that can manage games better. I think this guy can pass a test if given 20 hours. At this high level, you want a coach who can pass the test during the game. Game management, yard management, clock management, player management, this is huge. He fails at all of these.

 

[Cmac]

The guy getting the ball 10-12 times in a game isn't the reason we lost. The guy only giving him the ball that many times in a tough defensive slugfest type of game is. That game was tailor made to hand Zeke the ball 30 times. Even if he only gained 80 some yards we would have worn their defense down (like they did ours) and probably won the damn game. But Moore does not want to win that way. He'd rather go down slingin it than win with the ground game.

SF clearly showed us.....just because the runs aren't working (1st half), we aren't going to abandon (gashes late in the game).....worn down defense.

 

[eromeopolk]

I got to this point with the Romo/Garrett marriage around 2012. It wasn't working.. and it didn't look like it every would. The only thing that changed my mind was that stretch at the end of 2013 when Romo willed us into playoff contention and basically took over play calling from Garrett from that point forward. Why do I want this to happen? I will detail them one by one.

Moore:
Reason number 1) "Yards are yards." Ever since he made this statement I have wanted him gone. He doesn't understand or appreciate the running game and it showed up again Sunday. The 49ers were averaging the same paltry ypc we were until late in the 4th quarter yet they NEVER went away from it. Meanwhile we went full Mountain West pretty much from the jump.

Reason number 2) Good DCs know our plays. Teams have been telling us for 15 years that they can tell what the Cowboys are going to run on any given play in any given situation based on offensive and defensive alignments. We see repeatedly that defenders are in our backfield immediately on run plays and they are sitting waiting for our receivers (or the ball) to come to them on pass plays.

Reason number 3) Ultimately it's his job to get the most out of his players and that includes Dak. He's certainly not getting the most out of Dak but I could add Lamb, Zeke, TP and damn near anybody else on the offense to that list.

McCarthy:
Reason number 1) Game management.. We had the ball and control of the game with a minute and a half left in the first half and he let Moore and Dak run a damn high risk pass over the middle into the teeth of the defense which led to the INT when the smart move would have been either run the ball, eat clock and make sure not only that you go into the half up and in control but you leave them no time and no momentum. And if you were going to throw it, it's a fade to the corner where your guy gets it or nobody does. I get that he may not have fully understood what that play call was.. but that's all the more reason he needs to be gone. Those game management gaffes are a recurring theme since he got here.

Dak:

Reason number 1 I still believe his biggest fault is he believes too much in Kellen Moore. HE should have been the one to shake off some of those stupid pass plays in dumb situations. He is a good pocket passer but not a great pocket passer. So get the hell out of the pocket and make plays and be great and quit sitting in the pocket and being average. I think getting away from Moore might save his career from being Tony Romo 2.0 AND it might get a QB under center in Dallas who Moore will either have to go back to the Cooper Rush game plan with or that QB will be better than Dak and take the team to that next level.

Reason number 2) He accepts losing too gracefully. I get that the QB needs to be calm and even keel but I need him to get more pissed off and fired up when guys are out there running half-*** routes or dropping balls or lollygagging going out of bounds or just not blocking up front. He also needs to RUN THE DAMN BALL MORE. I don't care if the damn critics don't consider him "elite" if he runs it 10-12 times for 50+ yards a game. If that's what is needed to win games.. then that's what you do. I would much rather see a 5-6 yard run and slide vs a last second dumpoff to Zeke or TP with 6 inches before they go out of bounds and a defender standing right next to them.

I do think that best possible solution is for Moore to leave. And take Nussmeier with him. They have not significantly improved Dak's performance over these last three years.. so I'm done with them. Let McCarthy implement his offense, bring in a QB coach who CAN improve Dak's performance and LFG. But it would not hurt me to see McCarthy gone as well. If he's not strong enough to keep Boy Wonder in check then he's not the man to lead this team to the promised land anyway.

Easy greasy. Moore. He was inherited as the chosen one just like Jason Garrett was to Son of a Bum. The big Blue M&M never had a chance just like Son of a Bum.

The OC and the QB coach needs to go. Look at Dak under Linehan, Wade Wilson, and Kitna. They knew what he was and was protecting him from the make a name for himself Boy Genius Kellen Moore.

Let him go be Head Coach somewhere. They should have let him go to his alma mater. You can not get the Dallas Cowboys out of Jerry Dumbo GM Jones only the Arlington Jonesboys.