Moore, McCarthy or Dak. one of them has to go

[cowboybish]

I got to this point with the Romo/Garrett marriage around 2012. It wasn't working.. and it didn't look like it every would. The only thing that changed my mind was that stretch at the end of 2013 when Romo willed us into playoff contention and basically took over play calling from Garrett from that point forward. Why do I want this to happen? I will detail them one by one.

Moore:
Reason number 1) "Yards are yards." Ever since he made this statement I have wanted him gone. He doesn't understand or appreciate the running game and it showed up again Sunday. The 49ers were averaging the same paltry ypc we were until late in the 4th quarter yet they NEVER went away from it. Meanwhile we went full Mountain West pretty much from the jump.

Reason number 2) Good DCs know our plays. Teams have been telling us for 15 years that they can tell what the Cowboys are going to run on any given play in any given situation based on offensive and defensive alignments. We see repeatedly that defenders are in our backfield immediately on run plays and they are sitting waiting for our receivers (or the ball) to come to them on pass plays.

Reason number 3) Ultimately it's his job to get the most out of his players and that includes Dak. He's certainly not getting the most out of Dak but I could add Lamb, Zeke, TP and damn near anybody else on the offense to that list.

McCarthy:
Reason number 1) Game management.. We had the ball and control of the game with a minute and a half left in the first half and he let Moore and Dak run a damn high risk pass over the middle into the teeth of the defense which led to the INT when the smart move would have been either run the ball, eat clock and make sure not only that you go into the half up and in control but you leave them no time and no momentum. And if you were going to throw it, it's a fade to the corner where your guy gets it or nobody does. I get that he may not have fully understood what that play call was.. but that's all the more reason he needs to be gone. Those game management gaffes are a recurring theme since he got here.

Dak:

Reason number 1 I still believe his biggest fault is he believes too much in Kellen Moore. HE should have been the one to shake off some of those stupid pass plays in dumb situations. He is a good pocket passer but not a great pocket passer. So get the hell out of the pocket and make plays and be great and quit sitting in the pocket and being average. I think getting away from Moore might save his career from being Tony Romo 2.0 AND it might get a QB under center in Dallas who Moore will either have to go back to the Cooper Rush game plan with or that QB will be better than Dak and take the team to that next level.

Reason number 2) He accepts losing too gracefully. I get that the QB needs to be calm and even keel but I need him to get more pissed off and fired up when guys are out there running half-*** routes or dropping balls or lollygagging going out of bounds or just not blocking up front. He also needs to RUN THE DAMN BALL MORE. I don't care if the damn critics don't consider him "elite" if he runs it 10-12 times for 50+ yards a game. If that's what is needed to win games.. then that's what you do. I would much rather see a 5-6 yard run and slide vs a last second dumpoff to Zeke or TP with 6 inches before they go out of bounds and a defender standing right next to them.

I do think that best possible solution is for Moore to leave. And take Nussmeier with him. They have not significantly improved Dak's performance over these last three years.. so I'm done with them. Let McCarthy implement his offense, bring in a QB coach who CAN improve Dak's performance and LFG. But it would not hurt me to see McCarthy gone as well. If he's not strong enough to keep Boy Wonder in check then he's not the man to lead this team to the promised land anyway.

I think we need an entirely new offense which means a new OC... one that understand the importance of a run gun game as well as someone who understands the QB we have to work with. We as a whole, have to get more physical as a team as well.

 

[RonnieT24]

calling dak “romo 2.0” is quite the compliment

i didn’t feel out of a game with romo, nor did i feel like HE let us down

i can’t say the same about dak, who i have lost all faith in & have tried my best to support him

Do I need to remind you of Romo's 3 INT debacle to close out the 2012 season? Specifically that mind numbing lollipop INT he floated out to the flat that basically sealed the game against the Ratscums that day? Or maybe you need to rewatch his two picks to Bobby Carpenter against the Lions in game we were leading by 14 late? Or if you need more recent data his two pick sixes to Keuchly on Thanksgiving in 2015. Romo had plenty of games where HE let us down bro. I am not a slave to recency bias in that regard. Dak's horrible game on Sunday was just our most recent trip down this road.. but far from the only one.

 

[infamousstyles]

Your qb is struggling but there is never a pivot to try to get him out of that spot. It's just business as usual. That's the problem.

 

[kumizi]

You misspelled ZEKE

 

[RoboQB]

All I know is that I'm not firing a HC that manages to get 12 wins a season
with this traveling circus.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I don’t think Kellen Moore is the problem but it’s worth a try to hire someone else.

Problem is the Jones’s believe in continuity.

Meanwhile in Philadelphia they win a Super Bowl, blow the whole thing up and start over, and are right back in a NFV championship as the 1 seed.

Our continuity needs to be changed lol.

Moore is a problem. Just watch the routes he has receivers running. One game he uses motions and gets guys open and the next it's back to vanilla offense with no creativity.

Dak was the biggest reason Dallas lost last week but even the 2nd and 2 inside the redzone and Moore goes empty back with 5 wide....... That's a problem

 

[Irvin88_4life]

You misspelled ZEKE

Cause he isn't the lead back anymore. Whether that is he gets cut or takes a massive pay cut.

 

[Tabascocat]

MM going wouldn’t solve anything, it would be business as usual. It has to be either Dak or Kellen to shake things up offensively…….they don’t mesh well together. We know Dak can’t be moved for awhile so that leaves just one option: Kellen boy wonder Moore.

Even if he isn’t the main problem, I still want him and the Garrett stench gone without the possibility of being our HC in the future. If Kellen does become the HC in a year or so, that will be the day I take up gardening on Sundays

 

[diamonddelts]

I got to this point with the Romo/Garrett marriage around 2012. It wasn't working.. and it didn't look like it every would. The only thing that changed my mind was that stretch at the end of 2013 when Romo willed us into playoff contention and basically took over play calling from Garrett from that point forward. Why do I want this to happen? I will detail them one by one.

Moore:
Reason number 1) "Yards are yards." Ever since he made this statement I have wanted him gone. He doesn't understand or appreciate the running game and it showed up again Sunday. The 49ers were averaging the same paltry ypc we were until late in the 4th quarter yet they NEVER went away from it. Meanwhile we went full Mountain West pretty much from the jump.

Reason number 2) Good DCs know our plays. Teams have been telling us for 15 years that they can tell what the Cowboys are going to run on any given play in any given situation based on offensive and defensive alignments. We see repeatedly that defenders are in our backfield immediately on run plays and they are sitting waiting for our receivers (or the ball) to come to them on pass plays.

Reason number 3) Ultimately it's his job to get the most out of his players and that includes Dak. He's certainly not getting the most out of Dak but I could add Lamb, Zeke, TP and damn near anybody else on the offense to that list.

McCarthy:
Reason number 1) Game management.. We had the ball and control of the game with a minute and a half left in the first half and he let Moore and Dak run a damn high risk pass over the middle into the teeth of the defense which led to the INT when the smart move would have been either run the ball, eat clock and make sure not only that you go into the half up and in control but you leave them no time and no momentum. And if you were going to throw it, it's a fade to the corner where your guy gets it or nobody does. I get that he may not have fully understood what that play call was.. but that's all the more reason he needs to be gone. Those game management gaffes are a recurring theme since he got here.

Dak:

Reason number 1 I still believe his biggest fault is he believes too much in Kellen Moore. HE should have been the one to shake off some of those stupid pass plays in dumb situations. He is a good pocket passer but not a great pocket passer. So get the hell out of the pocket and make plays and be great and quit sitting in the pocket and being average. I think getting away from Moore might save his career from being Tony Romo 2.0 AND it might get a QB under center in Dallas who Moore will either have to go back to the Cooper Rush game plan with or that QB will be better than Dak and take the team to that next level.

Reason number 2) He accepts losing too gracefully. I get that the QB needs to be calm and even keel but I need him to get more pissed off and fired up when guys are out there running half-*** routes or dropping balls or lollygagging going out of bounds or just not blocking up front. He also needs to RUN THE DAMN BALL MORE. I don't care if the damn critics don't consider him "elite" if he runs it 10-12 times for 50+ yards a game. If that's what is needed to win games.. then that's what you do. I would much rather see a 5-6 yard run and slide vs a last second dumpoff to Zeke or TP with 6 inches before they go out of bounds and a defender standing right next to them.

I do think that best possible solution is for Moore to leave. And take Nussmeier with him. They have not significantly improved Dak's performance over these last three years.. so I'm done with them. Let McCarthy implement his offense, bring in a QB coach who CAN improve Dak's performance and LFG. But it would not hurt me to see McCarthy gone as well. If he's not strong enough to keep Boy Wonder in check then he's not the man to lead this team to the promised land anyway.

I see you left out Zeke. Must be due to him churning out those tough yards beating down defenses. Lmao.

 

[khiladi]

Dak and it isn’t even close. The others don’t impact the salary cap.

And Dak can’t read a defense or process the field to save his life. You can’t coach that.

 

[LatinMind]

Moore needs to go now, right now...

 

[CowboyoWales]

Do I need to remind you of Romo's 3 INT debacle to close out the 2012 season? Specifically that mind numbing lollipop INT he floated out to the flat that basically sealed the game against the Ratscums that day? Or maybe you need to rewatch his two picks to Bobby Carpenter against the Lions in game we were leading by 14 late? Or if you need more recent data his two pick sixes to Keuchly on Thanksgiving in 2015. Romo had plenty of games where HE let us down bro. I am not a slave to recency bias in that regard. Dak's horrible game on Sunday was just our most recent trip down this road.. but far from the only one.

No need to remind us of something 11 years ago.....we're still traumatized by your mate's horror show on Sunday.

You ain't got enough dead cats to overshadow that performance.

 

[RonnieT24]

I see you left out Zeke. Must be due to him churning out those tough yards beating down defenses. Lmao.

Why would include a guy who touches the ball 10-12 times a game as part of our problems on offense? Hell Zeke converted to third downs on HORRIBLY blocked plays on Sunday. Or was one of them a 4th down I forget. All I know is the line got no movement and the defense was in the backfield when he took the handoff.. yet he fought like hell at got the first down. If Zeke had played a larger role in the offense I might be inclined to side with your take. However they have been de-emphasizing him for three years... Apparently I'm supposed to be mad at HIM for that.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Moore is a problem. Just watch the routes he has receivers running. One game he uses motions and gets guys open and the next it's back to vanilla offense with no creativity.

Dak was the biggest reason Dallas lost last week but even the 2nd and 2 inside the redzone and Moore goes empty back with 5 wide....... That's a problem

We went to vanilla, because that's all Dak can cope with. We run curls because Dak cant hit a lateral target and we cant 'go long' because when Dak's not psycologically on his game his arm and judgement collapses. Pollard goes down and Dak falls apart as he knowns the secondary's going to be packed.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

We went to vanilla, because that's all Dak can cope with. We run curls because Dak cant hit a lateral target and we cant 'go long' because when Dak's not psycologically on his game his arm and judgement collapses. Pollard goes down and Dak falls apart as he knowns the secondary's going to be packed.

That's nonsense.

Dak shredded Tampa and it wasn't vanilla.

Washington the week before was vanilla and he posted maybe his worst regular season game ever.

Running vanilla offense only hurts the QB cause they defenses know what routes are being run and can sit on them or jump them.

You want to help your QB then you get creative, like Tampa Bay wild card weekend. Not run vanilla stupid offense where everybody and their momma knows what you are doing

 

[Verdict]

I got to this point with the Romo/Garrett marriage around 2012. It wasn't working.. and it didn't look like it every would. The only thing that changed my mind was that stretch at the end of 2013 when Romo willed us into playoff contention and basically took over play calling from Garrett from that point forward. Why do I want this to happen? I will detail them one by one.

Moore:
Reason number 1) "Yards are yards." Ever since he made this statement I have wanted him gone. He doesn't understand or appreciate the running game and it showed up again Sunday. The 49ers were averaging the same paltry ypc we were until late in the 4th quarter yet they NEVER went away from it. Meanwhile we went full Mountain West pretty much from the jump.

Reason number 2) Good DCs know our plays. Teams have been telling us for 15 years that they can tell what the Cowboys are going to run on any given play in any given situation based on offensive and defensive alignments. We see repeatedly that defenders are in our backfield immediately on run plays and they are sitting waiting for our receivers (or the ball) to come to them on pass plays.

Reason number 3) Ultimately it's his job to get the most out of his players and that includes Dak. He's certainly not getting the most out of Dak but I could add Lamb, Zeke, TP and damn near anybody else on the offense to that list.

McCarthy:
Reason number 1) Game management.. We had the ball and control of the game with a minute and a half left in the first half and he let Moore and Dak run a damn high risk pass over the middle into the teeth of the defense which led to the INT when the smart move would have been either run the ball, eat clock and make sure not only that you go into the half up and in control but you leave them no time and no momentum. And if you were going to throw it, it's a fade to the corner where your guy gets it or nobody does. I get that he may not have fully understood what that play call was.. but that's all the more reason he needs to be gone. Those game management gaffes are a recurring theme since he got here.

Dak:

Reason number 1 I still believe his biggest fault is he believes too much in Kellen Moore. HE should have been the one to shake off some of those stupid pass plays in dumb situations. He is a good pocket passer but not a great pocket passer. So get the hell out of the pocket and make plays and be great and quit sitting in the pocket and being average. I think getting away from Moore might save his career from being Tony Romo 2.0 AND it might get a QB under center in Dallas who Moore will either have to go back to the Cooper Rush game plan with or that QB will be better than Dak and take the team to that next level.

Reason number 2) He accepts losing too gracefully. I get that the QB needs to be calm and even keel but I need him to get more pissed off and fired up when guys are out there running half-*** routes or dropping balls or lollygagging going out of bounds or just not blocking up front. He also needs to RUN THE DAMN BALL MORE. I don't care if the damn critics don't consider him "elite" if he runs it 10-12 times for 50+ yards a game. If that's what is needed to win games.. then that's what you do. I would much rather see a 5-6 yard run and slide vs a last second dumpoff to Zeke or TP with 6 inches before they go out of bounds and a defender standing right next to them.

I do think that best possible solution is for Moore to leave. And take Nussmeier with him. They have not significantly improved Dak's performance over these last three years.. so I'm done with them. Let McCarthy implement his offense, bring in a QB coach who CAN improve Dak's performance and LFG. But it would not hurt me to see McCarthy gone as well. If he's not strong enough to keep Boy Wonder in check then he's not the man to lead this team to the promised land anyway.

It’s all on Dak. Simple logic dictates that even a moronic coach is not going to tell a QB to throw interceptions. Dak can’t read the field and he is a poor decision maker with the football.

If you replace MM with The Hoodie, Dak is still going to screw it up. If you are cooking a fantastic stew and someone throws a dog turd in it, then it becomes dog turd stew and no amount of spices added are going to change that fact.

MM and Kellen May end up needing to go too, but there is no way we know if that’s the right call or not as long as Dak is throwing dog turds to the opponent.

That’s my two cents on the matter.

 

[RonnieT24]

No need to remind us of something 11 years ago.....we're still traumatized by your mate's horror show on Sunday.

You ain't got enough dead cats to overshadow that performance.

I'm not the one who said Romo never let us down. I was simply reminding that dude of that reality. Dak was bad on Sunday. It happens.. that defense is really good and that DC clearly scouted the hell out of our offense because the DBs ran our routes better than our receivers did on more than one occasion. But with a little better play calling we could have won that game anyway. All we had to do was stop with the high risk pass plays and stick with the run. Especially in the red zone. That game was shaking out as one that COULD be won kicking field goals. Neither defense was going to let the other offense turn it into a track meet. So we needed to win a slugfest. But for the most part we refused to engage. The 49ers on the other hand kept pounding away at our defense until their running game started to make hay. Their coaching staff is clearly smarter than ours. Maybe that's why they've been the the NFC championship 3 times in the last 5 years. Now with a rookie QB throwing for 200 yards on 29 pass attempts. They ran it 10 more times than did the Cowboys even though they trailed entering the 4th quarter. Why our coaches can't grasp the simple concept of winning the war or attrition makes my hair fall out.

 

[RonnieT24]

It’s all on Dak. Simple logic dictates that even a moronic coach is not going to tell a QB to throw interceptions. Dak can’t read the field and he is a poor decision maker with the football.

If you replace MM with The Hoodie, Dak is still going to screw it up. If you are cooking a fantastic stew and someone throws a dog turd in it, then it becomes dog turd stew and no amount of spices added are going to change that fact.

MM and Kellen May end up needing to go too, but there is no way we know if that’s the right call or not as long as Dak is throwing dog turds to the opponent.

That’s my two cents on the matter.

Everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion.. However until proven otherwise I will continue to treat this interception spree season as an outlier. The INT rate Dak suffered this season was more than double his career percentage. I don't see that becoming the norm. If for no other reason than I don't expect 6 or 7 volleyball INTs to become the norm. If it does then the whole receiver group needs to be replaced. Which may happen anyway..

 

[CowboyoWales]

I'm not the one who said Romo never let us down. I was simply reminding that dude of that reality. Dak was bad on Sunday. It happens.. that defense is really good and that DC clearly scouted the hell out of our offense because the DBs ran our routes better than our receivers did on more than one occasion. But with a little better play calling we could have won that game anyway. All we had to do was stop with the high risk pass plays and stick with the run. Especially in the red zone. That game was shaking out as one that COULD be won kicking field goals. Neither defense was going to let the other offense turn it into a track meet. So we needed to win a slugfest. But for the most part we refused to engage. The 49ers on the other hand kept pounding away at our defense until their running game started to make hay. Their coaching staff is clearly smarter than ours. Maybe that's why they've been the the NFC championship 3 times in the last 5 years. Now with a rookie QB throwing for 200 yards on 29 pass attempts. They ran it 10 more times than did the Cowboys even though they trailed entering the 4th quarter. Why our coaches can't grasp the simple concept of winning the war or attrition makes my hair fall out.

....or with a little better execution from a QB who went into rabbit/headlight mode as soon as something went wrong (Pollard's injury). I thought the argument from other ABD's (granted it's a diminishing crowd) was that all we schemed was simple curls?

Everything you say in respect of Dak get's mitigated away by criticizing some other factor.

 

[RonnieT24]

....or with a little better execution from a QB who went into rabbit/headlight mode as soon as something went wrong (Pollard's injury). I thought the argument from other ABD's (granted it's a diminishing crowd) was that all we schemed was simple curls?

Everything you say in respect of Dak get's mitigated away by criticizing some other factor.

Not sure what you're trying to say here.. Dak had a bad game.. This is not open for debate. I am talking about how we could have won the game anyway... And maybe call some different plays that snap him out of his funk. RPO, designed QB runs, things that get his juices flowing. Why the hell do I as a coach have to say "Oh well my QB is having an off day, may as well not even play the rest of the game..?" Why do I not adapt my play calling to the situation? And try to win the damn game? If I can say the QB had a bad game why can I not give an equally scathing review of what the coaches did without it being called some other softheaded label? The game was there for the taking even with Dak not having a great game. The Cowboys simply chose not to take it.