More criticism of Julius Jones

[theogt]

It was not last year. I remember Troy Hambrick being in the frame while Bill was talking. I think it was Bill's first year. And I agree, that you are on to something. Bill actually said, I need a compu back. You just program him and click click click and he goes where you want him to go. Those are Bills words not mine or yours. So for all the bashers, they should check out that video. Bill was the ultimate control freak, down to the point of over coaching at times. Jones in his first year and Jones last year are two different backs. No one can argue that point. The question is why? I agree with Cowboy Mike. Parcells heavy hand.

I remeber after the Monday Night game in Seattle, when Al Michaels says, "and the NFL's newest start, Julius Jones" as Jones and Angela Kramer go to their interview.

I'm pretty sure it was during the '06 training camp because McQuistan was in the clip. And the quote was more like, "Julius is my little compu-back."

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm pretty sure it was during the '06 training camp because McQuistan was in the clip. And the quote was more like, "Julius is my little compu-back."

That was the way I remembered it, too.

But as sarcastic as Parcells can be, I couldn't tell if it was a positive or a negative comment.

 

[theogt]

That was the way I remembered it, too.

But as sarcastic as Parcells can be, I couldn't tell if it was a positive or a negative comment.

I think it was totally positive. Julius was doing exactly what he wanted and it was exactly what we were complaining about. If your blocking works perfectly, you can simply follow the play. But our blocking was far from perfect and, of course, you just have to make plays that aren't designed.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

So what you're saying is after a year of cutting back to holes, and showing great vision, that he just lost it? that is just dissapeared? that he became so stupid, and sucky of a RB all he could do was run into defenderS?

Yea that explains everything right there

Bill was his coach also in that year he was "cutting back to holes" and "showing great vision". Not sure what happen to Julius the last 2 years, but I refuse to believe it's Parcells' fault or that Bill made him into a "robot".

And I never said Julius was "stupid or a "sucky" RB. All I said was that it seems to me he has a vision problem!

 

[Dough Boy]

I'm pretty sure it was during the '06 training camp because McQuistan was in the clip. And the quote was more like, "Julius is my little compu-back."

Do me a favor and check for me if possible? I was certain to that he was talking with Hambrick. He goes on to tell Hambrick the story about a player that was not following his rules. The player went to tell his mother and the mother agreed with Parcells. Parcells and Hambrick laughed about it. I dont' think we got much footage from the 2006 camp as Parcells began to close the doors to the media. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm more than 90%.

 

[burmafrd]

So super, where was that vision problem in 2004?

 

[burmafrd]

the Robo back thing sticks as something said a lot more recently then 2003.

 

[theogt]

Do me a favor and check for me if possible? I was certain to that he was talking with Hambrick. He goes on to tell Hambrick the story about a player that was not following his rules. The player went to tell his mother and the mother agreed with Parcells. Parcells and Hambrick laughed about it. I dont' think we got much footage from the 2006 camp as Parcells began to close the doors to the media. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm more than 90%.

Here's a link to a Grizz post where he says he thinks it's from the 2006 training camp.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/story/2007/5/2/134859/6996

That's not exactly confirmation, but I'm 100% certain it was from the '06 TC.

 

[theogt]

So super, where was that vision problem in 2004?

Ya know, it's entirely possibly that teams simply figured out how to defend Jones. I've complained for a long time about how he only has a juke move to the left. He can't juke to the right. Solution? Don't over pursue (i.e., play contain) on the defensive right.

 

[tunahelper]

I have posted the samething and noticed it a lot as well.

The real question is if we can see it, how come BP and company didn't fix last year?

 

[Dough Boy]

Here's a link to a Grizz post where he says he thinks it's from the 2006 training camp.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/story/2007/5/2/134859/6996

That's not exactly confirmation, but I'm 100% certain it was from the '06 TC.

I stand corrected. Its pretty close to confirmation. Closer than anything I could dig up.

 

[Dough Boy]

Ya know, it's entirely possibly that teams simply figured out how to defend Jones. I've complained for a long time about how he only has a juke move to the left. He can't juke to the right. Solution? Don't over pursue (i.e., play contain) on the defensive right.

I don't think that's the case. I remember after the Seattle game, New Orleans saying they were not going to let Jones 'get off' on draws and delays. If I recall over the last two years, how many draws do you recall JJ running. Bill just got away from JJ bread and butter plays. I think Parcells wanted to pound the ball between the tackels, and use play action behind that. One of the first things Wade said about Julius, was he would be running more draws, delays and screen passes.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I stand corrected. Its pretty close to confirmation. Closer than anything I could dig up.

In fairness, DoughBoy, he might have said that in 2003 as well. Parcells didn't exactly mind repeating some of his pet phrases.

 

[Sarge]

Would Barbers effectiveness be diminshed if he was the starter and got 267 carries like Julius did last year?

Some runners are better with more carries - some aren't. Only one way to find out.

 

[Dough Boy]

In fairness, DoughBoy, he might have said that in 2003 as well. Parcells didn't exactly mind repeating some of his pet phrases.

Bill was a consistent in that regard! JJ has this year to clear up any mis-conceptions. I think Wade and Red Ball will do what they can to help him become more explosive. After listening to Parcells over the years, he does not value explosiveness. I think he is more inclined to go with Keyshuan and Curtis Martin. Both are very good players, both were pro bowlers in thier primes neither would be mistaken for explosiveness. Remember, Bill did not want to draft the explosive Terry Glenn. Wade has a history of asking players to do what they do best. Parcells has a history of asking players to do what he thinks his best. I'm not knocking Bill, but as he would say, "you are what you are".

 

[Dough Boy]

Some runners are better with more carries - some aren't. Only one way to find out.

Some runners are better on draws, delays and sweeps. Others are better between the tackle. The key is to know what your runner does best, and letting him do it to the best of thier God given talent. Jones and Barber are not the same runner. Vastly different styles. Barber was more effective last year, becasue the offense allowed him to do what he did best. Run between the tackles a majority of the time. I recall, Bill saying that Barber and JJ were interchangable. I found that to be odd. What Parcells should have said, the play calling for Barber and Jones are interchanagle. Those guys are as different as day and night. I like them together. They are not interchangable, they are complimentary.

 

[03EBZ06]

I can't wait for season to start. All these players blaming coaching for their underperformance have lot to prove. Over-coached or not, lot of them lacked heart and having heart has nothing to do with coaching.

 

[J-DOG]

sorry dude, but you can spin spin spin away, and it still wont erase the fact that for SEVERAL seasons now, our OL has been mediocre to poor at run blocking...it happens...some teams have all around great blocking lines...some teams run block better, some teams pass block better...for several seasons our pass blocking has been better

when you cant run the ball in from the 1 foot line (ala MBIII vs Philly at home) on several tries against a HORRENDOUS run defense team, you have issues other than your RB's inability to see holes...we also had several other bad run total games even when we played extremely poor run defense teams

David

I don't buy this at all.
When Emmitt came on to this team in the early 90's our offensive line and our running game was pathetic.
A good rb with good vision and elusiveness can make your offensive line look better and vice versa.
And no spin here in seeing obvious running lanes last year for Julius to take that he did not. Anybody who watched the games saw the same thing.
I'm not ready to give up on Julius but I am not gonna give him a free pass because of something he did in 2004 either.
It's time for him show up period.

 

[Jarv]

Barber is the better runner, why wasn't he starting?

If Barber was the better runner, was it BP's fault he wasn't starting ? Unlike where you didn't blame BP for JJ's straight ahead running style last year ?

 

[AbeBeta]

My problem is that he doesn't care about stats in that he would rather have 3.0 YPC rather than 3.6 YPC, as long as the play is ran exactly as designed.

He would prefer the back to run as designed and gain 3 yard runs 5 times in a row (15 total yards/3.0 YPC), rather than ad lib and get 2 yard runs 4 times in a row and a 10 yard run on the 5th run (18 total yards/3.6 YPC).

Now, in theory, I'd prefer the former too. But if you've got a back that can do special things (like Julius showed in his 1st season), you've gotta expect that he'll get more out of those 5 carries ad libbing.

The issue here is that the ad lib takes you out of your gameplan. Right or wrong, it is BP's perspective that the game is a chess match and to play that game effectively, he needs to know that what he tells a player to do gets done - he's a guy who always thinks several plays if not several series ahead -- those early plays are run in a specific way to open up other plays later -- you don't run the play right early and then you don't have that stuff you were setting up for later.

This system demands players sacrifice stats -- I can see why a ton of folks here on the board hate it -- it screws their fantasy football stats up.

Of course, our O was 5th overall last season in yards per game and 4th in points, despite having a very ineffective Bledsoe starting. So something was going right.