More criticism of Julius Jones

[speedkilz88]

Parcells told the rbs to take on the safety as quickly as possible, he didn't want them cutting back to the sideline.

 

[theogt]

The issue here is that the ad lib takes you out of your gameplan. Right or wrong, it is BP's perspective that the game is a chess match and to play that game effectively, he needs to know that what he tells a player to do gets done - he's a guy who always thinks several plays if not several series ahead -- those early plays are run in a specific way to open up other plays later -- you don't run the play right early and then you don't have that stuff you were setting up for later.

This system demands players sacrifice stats -- I can see why a ton of folks here on the board hate it -- it screws their fantasy football stats up.

Of course, our O was 5th overall last season in yards per game and 4th in points, despite having a very ineffective Bledsoe starting. So something was going right.

Tony Romo being god-like for 1/3 of the season didn't hurt. Other than that, Sparano called every single play of 2006, so he'll have to take the credit for the playcalling.

I do understand your point regarding Parcells and the chess-game. There may be merit to that line of thinking, but I just don't see Parcells, after watching 4 years of him, taking a team to that next level in the current NFL.

It sounds bad I know, but this honestly may be a situation where Parcells gets all of the blame (overcoaching Jones) but none of the credit (didn't call the plays).

 

[Use Your Illusion]

So what you're saying is after a year of cutting back to holes, and showing great vision, that he just lost it? that is just dissapeared? that he became so stupid, and sucky of a RB all he could do was run into defenderS?

Yea that explains everything right there

What makes more sense to you..

A.) The signs he showed in his first season were more of a fluke than anything. He had a few good games, but was playing way above his head and was never really that good.

or

B.) His head coach purposely told him to run into a pile instead of cutting back to find holes, making JJ a worse player and thus making the team worse in the long run.


(note: if you chose A, you're probably a homer)

 

[theogt]

What makes more sense to you..

A.) The signs he showed in his first season were more of a fluke than anything. He had a few good games, but was playing way above his head and was never really that good.

or

B.) His head coach purposely told him to run into a pile instead of cutting back to find holes, making JJ a worse player and thus making the team worse in the long run.


(note: if you chose A, you're probably a homer)

Someone (dwmyers, I believe) once posted an analysis of every running back under Parcells. For the most part, every back had better stats before and after the period of time under Parcells. For example, here are some Curtis Martin stats.

Career
3519 Att / 14101 Yards / 4.01 YPA

Under Parcells
1421 Att / 5340 Yards / 3.75 YPA

Without Parcells (and Healthy)
1878 Att / 8026 Yards / 4.27 YPA

This was the case with most RBs under Parcells. They simply put up better numbers when they're not under Parcells. Add to that the fact that Parcells openly commented on Julius being his little "compu-back" and Julius saying that Parcells had him running like a robot.

With all this in mind, you want to say that Option A makes someone a homer?

 

[Sarge]

If Barber was the better runner, was it BP's fault he wasn't starting ? Unlike where you didn't blame BP for JJ's straight ahead running style last year ?

Uh..............huh?

 

[burmafrd]

The moves that JJ put on people in 2004 are not something you practice- tis instinct. And all the preparation in the world will not make a bit of difference for the D.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Remember you are talking about the same coach who stood there every game day last year and allowed us to run the worst 3-4 schemes ever invented by mankind.

1980's BP > 2000's BP

1980's BP players > 2000's BP players would be more precise

his schemes work if the roster is really good, our roster hasn't been that

 

[theogt]

For the umpteenth billionth time, there has never been a 3-4 defense run like the one we ran in 2006, at least by Parcells. Never. Not in the 80s. Not in the 90s. Not by New England. Not by the Giants. Not by the Jets.

For the most part, that's because Parcells wasn't running the defense when he had Belicheck. He simply wasn't. Belicheck wrote the playbooks and called the plays. And Belicheck runs a very different defense than Parcells.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

For the umpteenth billionth time, there has never been a 3-4 defense run like the one we ran in 2006, at least by Parcells. Never. Not in the 80s. Not in the 90s. Not by New England. Not by the Giants. Not by the Jets.

For the most part, that's because Parcells wasn't running the defense when he had Belicheck. He simply wasn't. Belicheck wrote the playbooks and called the plays. And Belicheck runs a very different defense than Parcells.

I'm pretty sure Belicheck runs a 2-gap D

he's just disguises his blitzes better

and you're crazy if you think Parcells' D never emphasized players winning their individual matchups

 

[theogt]

I'm pretty sure Belicheck runs a 2-gap D

he's just disguises his blitzes better

No, he doesn't run a primarily 2-gap defense like Parcells. He uses a lot of 1-gapping and shades his ends, unlike Parcells.

That and he varies his coverage schemes and personnel packages based on down and distance, unlike Parcells.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No, he doesn't run a primarily 2-gap defense like Parcells. He uses a lot of 1-gapping and shades his ends, unlike Parcells.

he still uses 2-gap, and his players win their matchups

you can't hide that your players aren't that good

That and he varies his coverage schemes and personnel packages based on down and distance, unlike Parcells.

thanks, but I already knew that

 

[theogt]

he still uses 2-gap, and his players win their matchups

you can't hide that your players aren't that good

Yeah, he'll use some 2-gap. So does Wade Phillips. Bill Parcells uses 2-gap assignments almost exclusively.

thanks, but I already knew that

Well, it's just one more thing showing that the defenses are very different.

 

[big dog cowboy]

1980's BP players > 2000's BP players would be more precise

his schemes work if the roster is really good, our roster hasn't been that

JMO, but our defensive roster has more than enough talent to be far more effective than it was last December. The talent (or lack of) wasn't the reason we played like complete crap from New Orleans on. The reasons were two men no longer on our payroll THANK GOD.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, he'll use some 2-gap. So does Wade Phillips. Bill Parcells uses 2-gap assignments almost exclusively.

true

Well, it's just one more thing showing that the defenses are very different.

the players are pretty different too, their's, good, our's, not so good

 

[Bob Sacamano]

JMO, but our defensive roster has more than enough talent to be far more effective than it was last December. The talent (or lack of) wasn't the reason we played like complete crap from New Orleans on. The reasons were two men no longer on our payroll THANK GOD.

our roster has more than enough talent and potential, true, but as of yet, it hasn't been realized outside of some secondary players and a couple in the front 7

I think maybe 4 of our 11 starters on D are talented, that play like it consistently

that won't cut it, so hopefully Wade can maximize the talent and put our D in position to be successful, some of our younger players mature, and w/ 2/3 years in a strength and conditioning program, are strong enough to not be neutralized everytime an Olineman gets their hands on them

 

[theogt]

the players are pretty different too, their's, good, our's, not so good

We'll see. I think if you put their players in the 2006 Cowboys defensive scheme, they'd look pretty bad too. That's just my opinion. We'll see how it turns out in '07.

Would you like another whack at this dead horse?

 

[AbeBeta]

Tony Romo being god-like for 1/3 of the season didn't hurt. Other than that, Sparano called every single play of 2006, so he'll have to take the credit for the playcalling.

I do understand your point regarding Parcells and the chess-game. There may be merit to that line of thinking, but I just don't see Parcells, after watching 4 years of him, taking a team to that next level in the current NFL.

It sounds bad I know, but this honestly may be a situation where Parcells gets all of the blame (overcoaching Jones) but none of the credit (didn't call the plays).

Sparano called the plays yes. But you know that BP is a control freak and that Sparano was simply implementing his game plan.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

We'll see. I think if you put their players in the 2006 Cowboys defensive scheme, they'd look pretty bad too. That's just my opinion. We'll see how it turns out in '07.

yes, we will, although I saw Patriot players, esp. along the front 3, winning their battles, didn't see too much of that outside of Ferg here

Would you like another whack at this dead horse?

so I can hear more excuses? no thanks

 

[theogt]

Sparano called the plays yes. But you know that BP is a control freak and that Sparano was simply implementing his game plan.

I'm really not sure how much control he exercised. But Sparano did say he called each and every single play.

 

[theogt]

yes, we will, although I saw Patriot players, esp. along the front 3, winning their battles, didn't see too much of that outside of Ferg here

And you also saw them shooting the gaps more often than our players. It's easier to "win" a battle when you're not told not to win it.