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[sbark]

........and yet Troy Aikman, back in that time period stated if needed a guy in the back alley to protect his back.....he'd want the LT Mark Tuineua (sp?)

 

[BigD5]

I saw Warmack "fightin' it out" against NFL caliber athletes in the Georgia game, and the Georgia players were winning as often as not. Down home witticisms and country bumpkin mentality is probably why Stretch hasn't has a NFL job since Parcells gave Lacewell the boot. Was this the same Southeastern regional scout who brought us Tony Dixon, Dwayne Goodrich, Eb Ekuban and Sherman Williams?

Are you talking about the SEC championship game in which alabama ran for over 300 yds and set an SEC championship game rushing record with 2 RBs running for over 100 yds a piece?

Yea warmack sure got owned in that game..

 

[durrrr]

I would love either.

 

[AKATheRake]

Cooper's real good. Warmack's better. He's the best player in this class.

Luke Joeckel will probably end up going #1 overall. There is no way he was a better T than Warmack was a G. Not even close. If Warmack played T everyone would be talking about the 2nd pick and who it may be, because the 1st pick would be a foregone conclusion.

:signmast: Plain and simply.

 

[Tobal]

The Notre Dame coach said Warmack was far and away the most devastating Lineman they faced. He said fluker was a good player but that Warmack was on another level. Granted they didn't play Cooper, but you have to love a coach using the word devastating.

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

I myself would be happy with either Cooper or Warmack at 18. But heres the thing,......starting to get a STRONG feeling based upon the way this draft seems to be shaping up that our pick will be D.J Fluker.

But heres the rub,......I think we select him to play....GUARD. And Im fine with that. Think he can really dominate there and wont be a liability in pass protection on the outside.

Ive also seen it written that the Tennessee coaching staff view him as a starting GUARD on day one of the NFL season. With Mike Munchak as Head coach and Bruce Mathews as Offensive line coach I think those two know a little something about O line play. To say the least.

Myself personally,....I view Fluker as a "SOLID" right tackle in the NFL. Think thats his ceiling there. His top of the mark. Just dont see him having the movement skills to ever be anything more than that when pass blocking against the " hair on fire " pass rushers at the next level.

I do however think he can become a true force at guard. A karl nicks type with a real mean streak to boot.

What would you rather have,......a " solid" Right tackle...or a "dominant" Guard ? I know which one Im picking!


Having said all that I would still prefer Either Warmack or Cooper at 18. They are my plan 1 A and 1B, While Fluker is my fallback option.

Thing is,....Fluker may well have just as bright of a future in the NFL as either of those two guys,...as long as he stays at guard.

 

[9darter]

Glenn "Stretch" Smith was on the radio today (GAC) and gave his reason for picking Warmack over Cooper.

"If you lock them in a room and let them fight it out, Warmack would be the one that comes out of the rooming standing".

OK, that's good. Give me Cooper.

 

[CATCH17]

I really hope that Warmack is the first guard picked and its not us.

I think Warmack is available at 18 and Cooper is long gone.

 

[egn22]

I like how Cooper interviews. Seems like a really smart guy. Kind of guy that I'd be shocked to see with off the field issues. Nothing against Warmack at all, and I'd be lad to take him. Just saying Coopers interview on DC.com impressed me.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Stretch's point was that the Cowboys need some guys with an attitude. He said we have too many nice guys on this team. We need some guys that are mean - that set the tone for the rest of the guys.

Nate Newton today talking to Ian and Durrett basically said it as well.

I think it's a poor way to judge.

We need mental toughness. We need players that have 'football pride.' We need players that can pick things up quickly. We need players that can take tough coaching. We need players with great work ethic. We need players that have tremendous will and determination to get the job done. We need players who have a sense of urgency.

I would have taken Leonard Davis in a fight against most players in the league...doesn't mean he was a great O-Lineman.






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[CyberB0b]

Guys from his era were more about gut feelings like this rather than fact based analysis. It's not that he's a moron, he's just obsolete.

 

[Sasquatch]

I saw Warmack "fightin' it out" against NFL caliber athletes in the Georgia game, and the Georgia players were winning as often as not. Down home witticisms and country bumpkin mentality is probably why Stretch hasn't has a NFL job since Parcells gave Lacewell the boot. Was this the same Southeastern regional scout who brought us Tony Dixon, Dwayne Goodrich, Eb Ekuban and Sherman Williams?

Zing! :laugh2:

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I saw Warmack "fightin' it out" against NFL caliber athletes in the Georgia game, and the Georgia players were winning as often as not. Down home witticisms and country bumpkin mentality is probably why Stretch hasn't has a NFL job since Parcells gave Lacewell the boot. Was this the same Southeastern regional scout who brought us Tony Dixon, Dwayne Goodrich, Eb Ekuban and Sherman Williams?

To be fair.

Goodrich was as stud at Tennessee and had all of the talent. He just hit the NFL and got the money and didn't have the coaching staff to motivate him. It also sounds like he was probably an alcoholic.

But to be damning, Tony Dixon was the worst NFL safety I've ever seen. It was amazing how he would ALWAYS make the wrong decision in pass coverage.

So if they like Warmack...I'm inclined to like Cooper.







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[cowboysooner]

To be fair to Cooper, I'm pretty sure he is walking out of the door because the dude was a championship wrestler in high school. Great wrestlers are the toughest guys on the planet.

 

[dools]

I myself would be happy with either Cooper or Warmack at 18. But heres the thing,......starting to get a STRONG feeling based upon the way this draft seems to be shaping up that our pick will be D.J Fluker.

But heres the rub,......I think we select him to play....GUARD. And Im fine with that. Think he can really dominate there and wont be a liability in pass protection on the outside.

Ive also seen it written that the Tennessee coaching staff view him as a starting GUARD on day one of the NFL season. With Mike Munchak as Head coach and Bruce Mathews as Offensive line coach I think those two know a little something about O line play. To say the least.

Myself personally,....I view Fluker as a "SOLID" right tackle in the NFL. Think thats his ceiling there. His top of the mark. Just dont see him having the movement skills to ever be anything more than that when pass blocking against the " hair on fire " pass rushers at the next level.

I do however think he can become a true force at guard. A karl nicks type with a real mean streak to boot.

What would you rather have,......a " solid" Right tackle...or a "dominant" Guard ? I know which one Im picking!


Having said all that I would still prefer Either Warmack or Cooper at 18. They are my plan 1 A and 1B, While Fluker is my fallback option.

Thing is,....Fluker may well have just as bright of a future in the NFL as either of those two guys,...as long as he stays at guard.

I agree. I too see him as a great guard prospect, but an average tackle prospect.

 

[jterrell]

This might be the smartest thing Stretch has stated.

And not because I like Warmack better but because Cowboys history is littered with Randy White, Jay Ratliff, Larry Allen, Big E. Guys who want (and do) to hurt people and enjoy being paid to do just that.

It isn't scientific but that to me is scouting real talk. 100%.

Take the guy who'd win in a fight because basically every game is 11 guys going man for man with 11 other guys.

Athleticism is huge but you can't be a football player without serious toughness and a desire to dominate.

 

[nalam]

Cooper's real good. Warmack's better. He's the best player in this class.

Luke Joeckel will probably end up going #1 overall. There is no way he was a better T than Warmack was a G. Not even close. If Warmack played T everyone would be talking about the 2nd pick and who it may be, because the 1st pick would be a foregone conclusion.

Thats a ringing endorsement Risen, Are you sure about that?

Some reports I read says Warmack is more overpowering than agile player. May be in college that was good, but in NFL most DTs would give a run for his money. Also speed in NFL is too good.

I value your opinion on OL , and you are one of the few along with myself complaining about OL for a few years.

 

[Crown Royal]

I stay relatively quiet during times like this, because I don't watch much college ball and am not a draft junkie. I like the NFL, college does little for me.

That said, I'm not impressed with that evaluation. Attitude absolutely matters, but this seems to indicate that Cooper has the wrong attitude. That's silly; by all accounts he seems to have an EXCELLENT attitude, motor, etc.

Larry Allen was one of the strongest men in the NFL, but in his hey day he was also incredibly agile for a man of his size. What concerns me from everything with Warmack is he will have to deal with VERY FAST defensive tackle. You have to kick out to be a good guard in this league. He may be a great man blocker in the run game, but if he's left defending the 3 gap while the tackle next to him is on an island against a 5 or 7 gap DE, how is he going to perform?

I'm not saying it would be poorly, or that Warmack isn't fantastic. I hear he is. But the scout's reasoning for taking him is just terrible.

 

[jterrell]

To be fair.

Goodrich was as stud at Tennessee and had all of the talent. He just hit the NFL and got the money and didn't have the coaching staff to motivate him. It also sounds like he was probably an alcoholic.

But to be damning, Tony Dixon was the worst NFL safety I've ever seen. It was amazing how he would ALWAYS make the wrong decision in pass coverage.

So if they like Warmack...I'm inclined to like Cooper.







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Larry Lacewell brought us all those SEC greats... including Dixon who couldn't even friggin start consistently in college.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Larry Lacewell brought us all those SEC greats... including Dixon who couldn't even friggin start consistently in college.

IIRC even Dixon was shocked he was drafted where we took him.