More proof : Dak thread

[PAPPYDOG]

Keep doubting him. He's coming...

He's coming .....and then going..... as one of the biggest flash in pans in Cowboys history.........

 

[plasticman]

So many fans have this tendency to compare Dak to other quarterbacks that have played far longer, acquiring experience and accomplishments not available to him.

However, on a "level playing field", where we compare all quarterback after their first two years in the league.....

Dak Prescott has the highest completion rate in NFL history (minimum 500 pass attempts):

Player Cmp%
Dak Prescott 65.23
Teddy Bridgew 64.90
Ben Roethlis 64.65
Carson Palmer 64.61
Kurt Warner 64.51
Russell Wilson 63.63
Marc Bulger 63.54
Charlie Frye 62.84
Robert Griffin 62.66
Jay Cutler 62.58
Nick Foles 62.54
Dan Marino 62.21
Jeff Garcia 61.97
Joe Flacco 61.70
Marcus Mariota 61.63
Trent Edwards 61.59
Carson Wentz 61.51
Drew Brees 60.58
Andy Dalton 60.25
Jared Goff 59.82

And Dak will get better.

 

[Blackspider214]

He's coming .....and then going..... as one of the biggest flash in pans in Cowboys history.........

That would be Tony Romo. After the 2006 finish to the season and then 2007, Romo has been about as meh as it gets outside of one year and that was 2014. Other than that, failure after failure.

 

[Number1]

How are his documented accuracy issues and concerns baseless. Pro scouts all documented these issues. He wouldn't have been a 4th rounder, late comp pick at that if he had better accuracy. couldn't read more of your jibberish since the basis of your argument is 100% wrong.

100% wrong about what?

that he was the best tight window passer his in his 2nd year, (4th as a rookie)? that he delivered the best rookie QB season, ever? best vs the blitz? that his no pressure QBR rivals some of the best ever? highest comp rate in first 2 years, ever?

good QBs have been hired out of home depot - you and mel kiper's opinion vs facts don't add up to much. Hey, were a Romo hater? "he sucks or would have drafted him" ... brilliant

but, enlighten us - do you care to elaborate on "Pro scouts all documented these issues"?

tells how you and mel feel about it?

 

[erod]

So many fans have this tendency to compare Dak to other quarterbacks that have played far longer, acquiring experience and accomplishments not available to him.

However, on a "level playing field", where we compare all quarterback after their first two years in the league.....

Dak Prescott has the highest completion rate in NFL history (minimum 500 pass attempts):

Player Cmp%
Dak Prescott 65.23
Teddy Bridgew 64.90
Ben Roethlis 64.65
Carson Palmer 64.61
Kurt Warner 64.51
Russell Wilson 63.63
Marc Bulger 63.54
Charlie Frye 62.84
Robert Griffin 62.66
Jay Cutler 62.58
Nick Foles 62.54
Dan Marino 62.21
Jeff Garcia 61.97
Joe Flacco 61.70
Marcus Mariota 61.63
Trent Edwards 61.59
Carson Wentz 61.51
Drew Brees 60.58
Andy Dalton 60.25
Jared Goff 59.82

And Dak will get better.

Dak also inherited the most perfect offensive situation of any rookie QB in NFL history.

 

[zekecowboy]

How about QBR under pressure? Last time I checked, the NFL didn't make rushing the QB against the rules.

QuincyCarterEra said: ↑


Quite a list. We struck gold in the 4th.
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Zekecowboy:
I would like to see the list "With Pressure".

Charron reply:

2017 dvoa w/ pressure -35%

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2017

Played ok with no pressure, not so well with pressure.

 

[erod]

That would be Tony Romo. After the 2006 finish to the season and then 2007, Romo has been about as meh as it gets outside of one year and that was 2014. Other than that, failure after failure.

That happens when you consistently play on 3-13 roster.

Notice what Miles Austin, Laurent Robinson, Patrick Crayton, Sam Hurd, Terrance Williams, and Dez Bryant have done without him.

 

[esloan]

Reading this thread makes me sad. Dak is our QB right now and he deserves the opportunity. He took what could have been the worst QB situation we've had since the Quincy days and turned it into a fantastic situation and he did it his rookie year.

No, he wasn't as good last year but no one else in the team was either and there was distraction after distraction all through last year. Even with the suspensions, the injuries and all the other BS from last year, he still had a good season, just not as good as his rookie year.

He deserves the benefit of the doubt. He deserves the chance. Quit arguing and degrading him and let's see what he can do before declaring him a bust.

Furthermore, why does everyone feel the need to demean whatever Cowboy's QB is not their current favorite? Aikman, Staubach, and yes, Romo all have bled and sweated for this team. They all deserve our respect as Cowboy fans. You can think Aikman was better than Romo, and vice versa, and not demean the other one. Same with Dak and Romo.

We've been lucky enough to have multiple great QBs. Some teams can't even claim one. Be proud of what they all accomplished.

 

[Seven]

Quite a list. We struck gold in the 4th.

No brainier with Awon Wodgers.

How much more proof does one need?

This may as well be a stat for no flags thrown for holding by GB.

 

[Number1]

Dak also inherited the most perfect offensive situation of any rookie QB in NFL history.

some of the guys on that list walked into pretty good situations, like Warner and Rothesburger

 

[Ken]

some of the guys on that list walked into pretty good situations, like Warner and Rothesburger

No, Dak is the only one. The haters gonna hate.

 

[erod]

some of the guys on that list walked into pretty good situations, like Warner and Rothesburger

And Dak hasn't done anything remotely on the level of Kurt Warner. He was throwing all over the field. Dak just dinks.

Roethlisberger was able to bus drive because he literally had the Bus, not to mention an elite defense to lean on.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

There is an intangible with QB's with the ability to lift their team. It is not as much a dependency on the QB position as it is the desire of the team to help the QB lift them up.

That drive that Montana made to win the SB, that wasn't as much him as his ability to lift his team to help lift him up. If those guys believe, they can do some pretty impressive things.

Of all the 33 games Dak has played, the one that stands out the most to me was his lone playoff loss. They were damned near dead and buried and he helped with a critical pick when they needed a score and he brought them back to almost win that game.

There is a quality to the young man that shows up when the chips are down and that does not speak to talent as much as it does to heart. There is no quit in him and that usually transfers to a team very well. They will fight for him.

Roger wasn't Captain Comeback because of him but because of how he affected and infected his teammates. Belief is a most powerful force to lift people up.

That playoff game and the Steelers game really showed what Dak is made of.

We've got ourselves a good one.

 

[817Gill]

The numbers don’t even imply such an assertion. They merely show that Dak’s situation in Dallas has enabled him to play as efficiently as the league’s best. Fortunately for Dak, his situation isn’t changing soon sans injuries.

One of the most rational and logical statements I've read on here in a while.

 

[817Gill]

I never claimed he was so good, certainly not good enough to show up on the Steelers' depth chart. The WR corps was an issue last year, and they did the bare minimum to address their lost production from the guys that are gone. That's why fans are talking about replacing that production by spreading the ball around.instead of how this receiving corps will fix the issues from last year.

They cut bait with a guy that was being paid way too much and replaced him with much cheaper guys that have a shot at offsetting his loss. That's a smart financial decision, but it does nothing to improve on what happened last year

What if they addressed Chaz Green's mediocre play by bringing in a guy that should be able to match his performance from last year - and if they're lucky possibly be a little better?

I see what you are saying, but I think where most people disagree with you is in how much importance you are putting into the losses of Dez and Witten on how the team plays. The team simply needs 3500-3800 passing yards out of Dak to be a real threat/compliment to Zeke and the running game. In 2016 he had almost 3700 yards passing and his leading receiver was Cole Beasley who is still here. 2016 is the season that will probably most resemble the team's identity moving forward offensively, top 3 rushing team with a smart accurate quarterback that limits turnovers.

In 2018 the Cowboys have put themselves in a great position to do that. If the team was a heavy passing team and needed to significantly upgrade the WR group in order to play our style of ball then yes I would be worried. But the team solely needs guys who can match or near that 2017 total in terms of yards AND efficiency. The team simply needs to replace the 1400 yards Dez and Witten accounted for the past few seasons (not counting Brice Butler he might be the most replaceable receiver in the NFL). And even more importantly, the team needs those yards more efficiently.

I am very sure the best grouping of wide receivers on the roster could go out and get those yards and more efficiently than last year.

Using the Chaz Green analogy is a false equivalency because of the importance an OL is to the offense as opposed to a WR. In terms of yards, replacing Dez with someone who can match his performance is just fine as the team doesn't need a 1300 yard receiver to be successful. But the team relies heavily on offensive lineman. Replacing a bad lineman with another bad lineman would impact the team a hell of a lot more than replacing an average receiver with an average receiver.

 

[817Gill]

Then why did every single receiver have a down year last year, and why was Dallas ranked 26t h in passing?

I'm guessing you want to pull all that on Dak and ignore coaching, Zeke, and O line issues huh?

 

[Billyd]

Once again no team in the NFL is productive without too many parts missing or dysfunctional..Recent examples was Aaron Rogers when He lost The receiver they cut this year and when he was coming back from injury..His confidence was no where to be found untill he woke up and decided to put it on himself, tore it up the last 6 games..Whether or not Dak consistently doez this, ive seen it from him....He needs to return to thay type of play, confidence in the people around him, will go along way to making the last eight games last year go away. I DONT believe Dak is a game manager..He is a young qb in the process of becoming a complete NFL QB..We all want success for him and the Cowboys but progress happens at different speeds...

This year there is alot of pressure to perform by all parties on this team..Jason has shown a history of responding well to those type of challenges, as long as Goober and Stephen stay out of the way and let the team football, i believe Dak improves his level..

The players around him should be improved and specialty packages should not be an excuse for bad play..Talent around him should not, good coaching should not, but thats on JASON and to a lesser degee linehan, Lal and Alexander....

 

[erod]

I'm guessing you want to pull all that on Dak and ignore coaching, Zeke, and O line issues huh?

The ball is in his hand. He can throw it where he wants to. He can audible if he wants to.

Elite quarterbacks move their teams regardless of the playcalling.

 

[mattjames2010]

I'm guessing you want to pull all that on Dak and ignore coaching, Zeke, and O line issues huh?

Our O-Line with pass protection was still one of the best in the league. Maybe you should ask yourself why we allowed a borderline scrub player to dominate one side in the Atlanta game with no adjustments?

And what about Zeke? He's an RB who had a backup that nearly produced the same as him.

Stop pretending Dak lost prime Barry Sanders.

 

[StarOfGlory]

QuincyCarterEra said: ↑


Quite a list. We struck gold in the 4th.
Click to expand...
Below are listed in page 2 replys:

Zekecowboy:
I would like to see the list "With Pressure".

Charron reply:

2017 dvoa w/ pressure -35%

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2017

Played ok with no pressure, not so well with pressure.

Damn, Wentz was third best in the league under that metric with a ridiculous -8.8 (Brady at +7 is insane), but Dak doesn't look so bad compared to the league, he's certainly in the top third of the league, and better than Brees, Big Ben, and a few other well-known veteran QB's when under pressure. Mobility counts if you don't have Brady's experience.