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You're also fooling yourself if you think Tony's going to be immobile when he comes back.

He looked like a dump truck on that run in Seattle he hurt his back on. Romo is old and bridle and can't be relied on one bit. I have seen Romo lose many games just like this one. We went through a while here where we had problems scoring in the redzone. That continued yesterday.. it was weird too because the pass to Beasley should have been one and same with the pass to Dez.. although the Dez one was much harder.. so more understandable he dropped it.
 

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He looked like a dump truck on that run in Seattle he hurt his back on. Romo is old and bridle and can't be relied on one bit. I have seen Romo lose many games just like this one. We went through a while here where we had problems scoring in the redzone. That continued yesterday.. it was weird too because the pass to Beasley should have been one and same with the pass to Dez.. although the Dez one was much harder.. so more understandable he dropped it.

What's your excuse for Dak throwing for like 90 yards in the 2H?

You don't grade on an even scale...to say the least
 

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He looked like a dump truck on that run in Seattle he hurt his back on. Romo is old and bridle and can't be relied on one bit. I have seen Romo lose many games just like this one. We went through a while here where we had problems scoring in the redzone. That continued yesterday.. it was weird too because the pass to Beasley should have been one and same with the pass to Dez.. although the Dez one was much harder.. so more understandable he dropped it.

You've been saying similar things for years. While Tony's been putting up spectacular numbers. The good news is, we'll get to see which of us is right in a couple weeks.

On a side note, I disagree on Dez's drop, too. He gets paid big money to make that catch. He needs to make it. It was a tough, contested ball, but it was hardly a 5-6 on the scale of big catches Dez is capable of making. He blew it. Just like Beasley blew it.

Dez also had a chance in the end zone on the right side of the field. That one was perfectly defended and I don't blame Dez for not coming down with it, but we've seen him make catches like that before. Same with the pass on the other end of the field down to the 5 yard line he also didn't come up with. He's our play maker. Our rookie QB is giving him chances to make plays. He needs to make them.
 

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Probably. But not having Romo shouldn't mean an automatic loss.
Agreed and people saying we won one game last year forget that the one win we did have last year sans Romo was a game that the Skins literally gave to us with a beyond boneheaded play. It is not like we actually went out and beat them.
 

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You've been saying similar things for years. While Tony's been putting up spectacular numbers. The good news is, we'll get to see which of us is right in a couple weeks.

On a side note, I disagree on Dez's drop, too. He gets paid big money to make that catch. He needs to make it. It was a tough, contested ball, but it was hardly a 5-6 on the scale of big catches Dez is capable of making. He blew it. Just like Beasley blew it.

Dez also had a chance in the end zone on the right side of the field. That one was perfectly defended and I don't blame Dez for not coming down with it, but we've seen him make catches like that before. Same with the pass on the other end of the field down to the 5 yard line he also didn't come up with. He's our play maker. Our rookie QB is giving him chances to make plays. He needs to make them.

I think Dez should have caught it too.. but it is more understandable than the Beasley one that is all I'm saying. Also, do you think if both of those passes were caught and we won, you would be here talking about Romo? You would be praising Dak right along with everyone else.

Also, I think Dak is putting up spectacular numbers as well and will. Time will tell but he certainly passes the eye test to me.
 

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You're also fooling yourself if you think Tony's going to be immobile when he comes back.
You didn't get the memo?

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In all honesty, as much as I hate the week after a loss, I'm more than a little happy to see a bit of perspective enter back into the Tony Romo debates here. Even if Dak wins out with the rest of his games, I think we all know this game yesterday is a W and not an L if Tony's in the lineup. Don't we?

I'm all for Dak turning out to be our next Staubach, Aikman or Romo, but the reality is that those guys are hard to find. We've been blessed with three great franchise quarterbacks in the history of our team. Some teams are still looking for their first one.
 

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I think Dez should have caught it too.. but it is more understandable than the Beasley one that is all I'm saying. Also, do you think if both of those passes were caught and we won, you would be here talking about Romo? You would be praising Dak right along with everyone else.

Also, I think Dak is putting up spectacular numbers as well and will. Time will tell but he certainly passes the eye test to me.

I'm praising Dak now. He played really well.

Of course I wouldn't make a point that Tony would have won a game that Dak lost if Dak hadn't actually lost the game (I'm not saying Dak's the reason we lost. Only saying he was the QB in the losing effort). That just stands to reason. But injuries aside, Tony's still a better QB than Dak right now. He just is.
 

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I think Dez should have caught it too.. but it is more understandable than the Beasley one that is all I'm saying. Also, do you think if both of those passes were caught and we won, you would be here talking about Romo? You would be praising Dak right along with everyone else.

Also, I think Dak is putting up spectacular numbers as well and will. Time will tell but he certainly passes the eye test to me.

Be realistic. If Romo had put up the same numbers, you'd be blaming him for every mistake.

I'm fine with Dak's rookie debut. Quarterback is a hard position to play in the NFL for seasoned pros. He did some nice things and showed that he might can be developed as Romo's replacement, but it is silly for someone who has gone out of his way to pounce on Romo for every error to jump to Dak's defense.

He doesn't deserve criticism for his performance, but it certainly wasn't one to be praised. There was good and bad in it. Let's see if he can build on the good and eliminate some of the bad.
 

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Last 14 games without Tony , Dallas has averaged 17.3 ppg

Nfl average is over 22 ppg

Cleveland Browns have averaged more than 17.3 ppg each of the last 5 years as a team

17.3 ppg is good for bottom 3 in the nfl

Credit to @Marcus_Mosher on Twitter for these stats

More fuel for the Garrett is a bozo brigade

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You left out the biggest stat of them all.............in those last 14 games, the team has lost 13 of them.

Let me repeat that, the team is 1-13 without Romo in the starting lineup............that is unheard of in the NFL to be that impotent without your starting QB.
 

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In all honesty, as much as I hate the week after a loss, I'm more than a little happy to see a bit of perspective enter back into the Tony Romo debates here. Even if Dak wins out with the rest of his games, I think we all know this game yesterday is a W and not an L if Tony's in the lineup. Don't we?
What we all know is that Garrett cannot win games against virtually anybody without Romo in the lineup.

I think we all know that is a major indicator of a coaching problem, Don't we?
 

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I'm praising Dak now. He played really well.

Of course I wouldn't make a point that Tony would have won a game that Dak lost if Dak hadn't actually lost the game (I'm not saying Dak's the reason we lost. Only saying he was the QB in the losing effort). That just stands to reason. But injuries aside, Tony's still a better QB than Dak right now. He just is.

It boggles my mind that this even has to be debated, my hopes for Dak is that he gets there in the next year or so, but to debate who is the best QB at this moment and time is just silly.
 

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I was tired of Garrett when he had to do both HC and OC. Since then he has been trying to build this team his way but still gets interfered with time from time from the front office. See Gregory, jaylon, Lawrence, Claiborne, McClain, and the almost drafting of Manziel. Thank god they passed on that one.

The players respect him and he has become much better as a head coach. I think we need some young creative minds on both side of the ball in our coordinators. But need to stick to the running game no matter what. That is what drives this team and against the Giants we didn't have it going and that is why we lost, plain and simple.
 

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I was tired of Garrett when he had to do both HC and OC. Since then he has been trying to build this team his way but still gets interfered with time from time from the front office. See Gregory, jaylon, Lawrence, Claiborne, McClain, and the almost drafting of Manziel. Thank god they passed on that one.

The players respect him and he has become much better as a head coach. I think we need some young creative minds on both side of the ball in our coordinators. But need to stick to the running game no matter what. That is what drives this team and against the Giants we didn't have it going and that is why we lost, plain and simple.
The players like him because he is a soft players coach.
 

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It boggles my mind that this even has to be debated, my hopes for Dak is that he gets there in the next year or so, but to debate who is the best QB at this moment and time is just silly.

I'm trying to be as nice as possible about it, but I'm boggled by it, too.
 

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What we all know is that Garrett cannot win games against virtually anybody without Romo in the lineup.

I think we all know that is a major indicator of a coaching problem, Don't we?

We don't.
 

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Be realistic. If Romo had put up the same numbers, you'd be blaming him for every mistake.

I'm fine with Dak's rookie debut. Quarterback is a hard position to play in the NFL for seasoned pros. He did some nice things and showed that he might can be developed as Romo's replacement, but it is silly for someone who has gone out of his way to pounce on Romo for every error to jump to Dak's defense.

He doesn't deserve criticism for his performance, but it certainly wasn't one to be praised. There was good and bad in it. Let's see if he can build on the good and eliminate some of the bad.

I wouldn't be blaming Romo.. I would say the receivers dropped the ball. This is one of those loses where you struggle to find what went wrong.
I thought Dak played a solid game, like I said had Beasley and Dez caught those balls, we would be talking about how great Dak was. Poor coaching and dropped balls is why we lost that game. It's a game of inches, you can't make those type of mistakes.
 
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