Mosley: I was a lot more impressed with the Eagles going into camp

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AsthmaField;2877814 said:
Yeah, I took it in a positive light also. As much as Mosley talked poorly about our team, he couldn't find much not to like about our camp.

Even the rookies, who he tore apart in his post-draft analysis, got really good reviews from Mosley. Of course, he never mentioned how bad he ranked our draft when he was talking about how good Butler, B Williams, M Hamlin, etc. looked. ;)

It's easy to rip a draft when you dont have a pick untill the 3rd round, especially when the Eagles had as good of a draft as they did.

I would've liked to have picked up Unger instead of Seattle, but overall with what we had, I'm pleased with our draft.
 

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theogt;2877824 said:
Uh...the Cardinals actually went to the Super Bowl and you don't see people drooling over them.

It's because it's a whole new season, and last year doesnt mean jack.

All that matters is this year, so all those predictions based on last years records, throw em out
 

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NextGenBoys;2877826 said:
It's easy to rip a draft when you dont have a pick untill the 3rd round, especially when the Eagles had as good of a draft as they did.

I would've liked to have picked up Unger instead of Seattle, but overall with what we had, I'm pleased with our draft.


Yeah, I'm happy with the draft... and I'm getting even more happy with it every day that goes by. Some of those guys are having a really productive camp. Both OLB's look like they can play in this league and Mike Hamlin looks like a future starter. Jason Williams has a buttload of athleticism and I'm hoping that he can learn enough to put it to good use. Deangelo Smith is going to have a chance to work his way into a quality FS and Mickens has a knack for the CB position if he can keep from getting outrun by fast WR's. Beuhler is going to give us touchbacks at least half the time and that makes him a good draft pick right off the bat.

And, to top it all off... it looks like we might have found a real nice UDFA in Ogletree.

I think it is safe to say that the Cowboys now have a very good personnel dept in place and that they can draft pretty damn good.
 

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AsthmaField;2877858 said:
Yeah, I'm happy with the draft... and I'm getting even more happy with it every day that goes by. Some of those guys are having a really productive camp. Both OLB's look like they can play in this league and Mike Hamlin looks like a future starter. Jason Williams has a buttload of athleticism and I'm hoping that he can learn enough to put it to good use. Deangelo Smith is going to have a chance to work his way into a quality FS and Mickens has a knack for the CB position if he can keep from getting outrun by fast WR's. Beuhler is going to give us touchbacks at least half the time and that makes him a good draft pick right off the bat.

And, to top it all off... it looks like we might have found a real nice UDFA in Ogletree.

I think it is safe to say that the Cowboys now have a very good personnel dept in place and that they can draft pretty damn good.

Not to be a downer, but keep in mind this is Training Camp so it is alot easier to shine than in a real game.

Danny Amendola anyone?
 

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NextGenBoys;2877830 said:
...so all those predictions based on last years records, throw em out
Except for the Lions. They'll probably still stink.
 

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NextGenBoys;2877866 said:
Not to be a downer, but keep in mind this is Training Camp so it is alot easier to shine than in a real game.

Danny Amendola anyone?

Yeah, but how many times in the late 90's and early 00's did we hear, "Well, he's got a lot to learn and you can't expect them to come in to their first camp and light things up. He needs time"?

I remember hearing that so many times through the down years. If you will notice, almost every draft pick that is successful in their rookie season, actually comes in to their first camp and actually makes some plays. They don't just "learn" and then turn it on.

Almost always the good ones will flash during their first camp.

It is a very good sign that players like Hamlin, B Williams, Butler, Beuhler, Ogletree, etc. are lining up and winning some battles.

I agree that it remains to be seen what kind of players they are... but it is a very good sign (and a neccessary one if they are going to help very soon) that they are making playes already.

Having said that, I do admit that we are hearing "He has a lot to learn" with Jason Williams. And I admit that it isn't a terrific sign for him. Still, since he is from such a small school and he does have such a high level of athleticism, I still hold out hope that he will come around with time and coaching.

And of course, it wasn't good that Brewster tore his pec and is going to miss all of his rookie season.

All in all... I'm very happy though.
 

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Camp Confidential: Eagles limping home

August 11, 2009 12:15 PM



Chris Gardner/US Presswire
Rampant injuries are threatening the continuity Eagles coach Andy Reid prefers at training camp.

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

BETHLEHEM, Pa. -- Despite the serenity and cool air (except for Monday) found in Lehigh Valley, the Eagles can't get out of here fast enough. In addition to dealing with the loss of beloved defensive coordinator Jim Johnson to cancer, the Eagles have seen players carted off the field with injuries at a daily clip.


Camp Confidential: NFC East
• Cowboys: Fri., Aug. 7
• Eagles: Tues., Aug. 11
• Giants: Fri., Aug. 14
• Commanders: Sun., Aug. 16
• Training camp index


"It starts to get to you a little bit," said tight end Brent Celek. "It just all sort of happened at once. But you can't sit here and dwell on it."

Celek was particularly concerned to see his training-camp roommate and close friend, Stewart Bradley, suffer a season-ending knee injury during an intra-squad scrimmage at the Linc. But head coach Andy Reid scoffs when asked if he's ever experienced anything like this. In his mind, the injuries are part of football and they've created opportunities for other players.

"I don't get caught up in all that stuff," Reid said. "You're sad for the person who goes through it, but on the other hand, you have to expect these things. Let's go play football."

Most pundits, including this one, have the Eagles as a top-five team in the league. But I'll admit the lack of continuity along the offensive line has me re-thinking my position. Continuity is one of Reid's favorite words, and right now his starting right tackle, Shawn Andrews, might not be ready for the start of the regular season.



Chris Gardner-US PRESSWIRE
Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson has been unstoppable at training camp.
On the positive side, I don't think Donovan McNabb has ever had this many weapons on offense. Second-year receiver DeSean Jackson has been dominant in camp. The Eagles have a talented secondary, but not even All-Pro Asante Samuel has come close to covering Jackson. With the addition of first-round pick Jeremy Maclin and steady players such as Jason Avant and Kevin Curtis, I'm convinced the Eagles have the best receiving corps in the NFC East.

Maclin is still playing catch-up after his contract holdout, but he's supremely gifted and confident. He bristled at the suggestion that he might not earn a starting job immediately.

"I didn't come here to sit on the bench," Maclin said. "I'm going to make sure I do everything possible to be on the field."

Maclin's trying to learn the nuances of the West Coast offense on the fly, but he's an extremely intelligent player who should catch on quickly. Right now, though, it's Jackson who's drawing the most attention in camp. He's so quick off the line that no one can get a jam on him. That's where Maclin has room for improvement. He wasn't seeing jams at the line of scrimmage against Iowa State or Kansas State in the Big 12 North. He'll have to get stronger and become more aggressive.

Key Questions

Can the Eagles overcome all the injuries from training camp?

Losing your starting middle linebacker (Bradley) and talented rookie tight end Cornelius Ingram isn't a good way to begin the season, but one of Jim Johnson's greatest strengths was preparing young players for moments exactly like this. Joe Mays, a second-year player from North Dakota State, probably will play middle linebacker on first and second down. He'll get help from former starter Omar Gaither on passing downs. Mays, a sixth-round draft pick, is short (5-foot-11), but he brings a lot of power to the point of attack. I don't know how he'll hold up in regular-season games, but he's consistently making plays in camp.

Perhaps the bigger concern right now is Shawn Andrews' back injury. He missed training camp last season while battling depression and then promptly injured his back. Some have questioned Andrews' passion for the game, but the Eagles have insisted that he really is hurt. If he can't go, Eagles fans can get reacquainted with former first-round pick Winston Justice at right tackle.

Will Brian Westbrook and LeSean McCoy give the Eagles a dual threat at running back?

Westbrook has started to increase his workload on the side and he should be ready to go late in the preseason. At this point, it's not as if he needs a ton of carries in the preseason. I visited with McCoy on Monday until Jackson ordered him to go sign autographs. The second-round pick has looked comfortable in the Eagles' offense from Day 1 of camp. He's an instinctive runner who's already adept at setting up his blockers. I think Reid and offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg are looking to get McCoy the ball in a variety of ways. Early in camp, he got behind the secondary for a 35-yard touchdown. He caught a lot of balls at Pittsburgh and his soft hands will give the Eagles another option. I think they want McCoy to touch the ball at least 10-12 times per game -- right from the start.

Who will win position battles at safety and cornerback?

I've been very impressed with veteran cornerback Sheldon Brown's approach to this camp following an offseason of complaints about his contract. He went high to break up a pass in team drills Monday and he's working hard to hold off former Patriots starter Ellis Hobbs. I think coaches will let those players battle throughout the preseason, but Brown's getting the majority of the reps with the first team. Hobbs is learning the Eagles' defense on the fly, so he's not as aggressive right now as he's used to being. But coaches like the fact that Hobbs has a chip on his shoulder after being traded from New England. And with all the injuries, the Eagles need to create as much depth as possible.

At safety, Quintin Demps is getting most of the first-team reps. Sean Jones, signed as a free agent from Cleveland, has been solid, though. Defensive coordinator Sean McDermott hasn't handed the starting job to either player, and that has made for some good competition.

Market watch

It will be interesting to see how many receivers the Eagles keep on the roster. They have some depth and youth at the position, which leaves players such as Reggie Brown and Hank Baskett on the bubble. It's not helping Brown and Baskett's cause that a rookie from Washington State named Brandon Gibson is having a strong camp. You have to believe that Jackson, Curtis, Maclin and Avant are locks. If the Eagles only keep five receivers, there's a chance they go with a kid like Gibson. Former Texas Tech Red Raider Danny Amendola is a Wes Welker starter kit, but he looks more like practice-squad material to me. At linebacker, keep your eye on Moise Fokou, a seventh-round pick from Maryland. He's making plays all over the field, but we'll see if he can take it into the preseason games.



Chris Gardner-US PRESSWIRE
All eyes are on Eagles first-round pick Jeremy Maclin.
Newcomer to watch

I'll have my eye on Maclin pretty closely in the preseason. I think he's going to struggle getting off the line at first. And his route running will be something to watch. He's a fluid player who doesn't mind going across the middle, but right now, you can tell that he's still thinking too much. He might be one of those players who sort of comes alive in the preseason. That was certainly the case with Jackson last season.

Observation deck

There's a second-year running back named Eldra Buckley from Tennessee-Chattanooga who could be a good change-of-pace back. I don't think Lorenzo Booker is long for this team despite what anyone tells you. He dropped a pass in Monday's practice and the coaches don't trust him to pick up blitzes. He has been around too long for that to still be an issue. ... I think Celek's on his way to becoming a big-time player. Very humble guy, but he showed up when the stakes were high last December and January. He also has been studying tape of Jason Witten to learn some pointers. I like that Celek takes a lot of pride in blocking too. The NFC East is absolutely stacked at tight end. ... One of the reasons Reid isn't panicking about the offensive line situation is that he has a lot of faith in backups such as Nick Cole and Max Jean-Gilles. The Eagles have done a pretty good job of creating depth along the offensive line and you can bet they're not going to sit around waiting for Shawn Andrews to show up. ... If offensive tackle King Dunlap ever realizes what sort of physical tools he's been given, he could be a good player. Not sure he's there yet. ... The signing of left tackle Jason Peters jump-started the Eagles' offseason. I watched him stone defensive ends on consecutive plays Monday. He's a pretty impressive-looking player. He still has the footwork of a tight end, his position at Arkansas, but he can engulf defenders with his power. I think he'll be the best left tackle in the division -- and he better be for that money. ... McNabb still appears to be having fun in camp. On Monday, he took off running when he couldn't find a receiver. Instead of stepping out of bounds, he tight-roped down the sideline, much to the delight of Eagles fans. ... I've heard good things about Latrobe, but I can't imagine a better setting than this one. Gorgeous green meadows in every direction and great access for fans. It's a shame the Eagles are breaking camp so early (Wednesday), although you won't hear any complaints from them.
 

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AsthmaField;2877889 said:
Yeah, but how many times in the late 90's and early 00's did we hear, "Well, he's got a lot to learn and you can't expect them to come in to their first camp and light things up. He needs time"?

I remember hearing that so many times through the down years. If you will notice, almost every draft pick that is successful in their rookie season, actually comes in to their first camp and actually makes some plays. They don't just "learn" and then turn it on.

Almost always the good ones will flash during their first camp.

It is a very good sign that players like Hamlin, B Williams, Butler, Beuhler, Ogletree, etc. are lining up and winning some battles.

I agree that it remains to be seen what kind of players they are... but it is a very good sign (and a neccessary one if they are going to help very soon) that they are making playes already.

Having said that, I do admit that we are hearing "He has a lot to learn" with Jason Williams. And I admit that it isn't a terrific sign for him. Still, since he is from such a small school and he does have such a high level of athleticism, I still hold out hope that he will come around with time and coaching.

And of course, it wasn't good that Brewster tore his pec and is going to miss all of his rookie season.

All in all... I'm very happy though.

No argument from me here with any of that. Good points.

I'm just saying this team (from JJ to the coaches on down) seem to be ultra optimistic when referring to players.

We've heard great reviews on Hamlin and Butler specifically, but I'm not counting on either to really shine on anything besides special teams.
 

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The Dodger;2877887 said:
Except for the Lions. They'll probably still stink.

I think they made a dumb decision taking Stafford. Doesnt matter what QB you throw back there if you cant protect him.

They needed to revamp the Oline, and worry about QB next year. They obviously didnt learn anything from the Joey Harrington project.
 

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Mansta54;2877762 said:
Jackson is fast and quick but he's also small and fragile.

He's been small his whole life and really hasn't gotten injured too much. He knows how to avoid the big hits, he'll be pretty good for a long time.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2877738 said:
... than I was leaving it.

He's been at their camp for ESPN, and says on 103.3 that they didn't look as good as he expected. Bradley is a big loss, and the OL doesn't look as good as he expected. Says Shawn Andrews still isn't right -- his back is bothering him quite a bit.

He thought they were a top 3-4 team in the league going in, but now he doesn't think so. Still thinks they'll be very good, but now isn't sure they're much better than the Cowboys.

BTW, says no one can cover Jackson and he's the best WR in the East. (Commence draft rue posts.)
Antoine Cason blanketed Jackson in Pac 10 play. He shut him down almost every year.

No one can cover him my butt.
 

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Hostile;2877908 said:
Antoine Cason blanketed Jackson in Pac 10 play. He shut him down almost every year.

No one can cover him my butt.

Hos, that was college ball. He has upped his game since then.

I'm not saying he cant be covered (thats ridiculous) but the guy is a player and his very hard to cover. Awful lot like Terry Glenn.
 

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I'd be hard pressed right now if Jackson is better than a healthy Santana Moss. When Moss is healthy and somewhat on, he scares the daylights out of opposing defenses and is a great deep threat and has done it for a few years.

The problem with guys like Moss (and DeSean Jackson) is that they usually get banged up quite a bit. We'll see if Jackson can handle the physicality of the league on a year in and year out basis.




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theogt;2877824 said:
Uh...the Cardinals actually went to the Super Bowl and you don't see people drooling over them.

Then why bring up their tie to Cincy(Who almost beat Dallas) and loss to Wsh(Dallas split)

Phillys always tough. Dawkins was no real loss. Johnson was though.
 

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NextGenBoys;2877933 said:
Hos, that was college ball. He has upped his game since then.

I'm not saying he cant be covered (thats ridiculous) but the guy is a player and his very hard to cover. Awful lot like Terry Glenn.
I don't think he is any different than in college. No one improves that dramatically. I saw Cason make him a non factor in the game. If I remember right he had 1 catch for 5 yards and we punted away from him all night. He can be stopped.
 

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Hostile;2877968 said:
I don't think he is any different than in college. No one improves that dramatically. I saw Cason make him a non factor in the game. If I remember right he had 1 catch for 5 yards and we punted away from him all night. He can be stopped.

If I remember right Cason was a pretty physical corner who liked to play up on his guy ala Al Harris.

One of the things that I've read on Jackson is that he's really improved his release and he's hard to jam and get a hand on.

I wanted him in the draft while everyone said he was too small, but with Felix and Marty B, I'm far from crying.
 

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Hostile;2877968 said:
I don't think he is any different than in college. No one improves that dramatically. I saw Cason make him a non factor in the game. If I remember right he had 1 catch for 5 yards and we punted away from him all night. He can be stopped.

still

NFL coaching >>>> college coaching

hell, WR coaches in the NFL would be offensive coordinators in the NCAA
 

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Bob Sacamano;2878026 said:
still

NFL coaching >>>> college coaching

hell, WR coaches in the NFL would be offensive coordinators in the NCAA

Plus strength and conditioning for a year plus.
 

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i'll take my chances with jenkins or scandrick covering him one on one for the next 5 years or so.
 
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