Mosley: The Cowboys are bluffing when it comes to their thoughts on drafting a QB at No. 4
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Im extremely excited for the draft but very nervous considering the ramifacations. I would hate to pass on a qb because were taking the approach Romo will play a while longer.
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How many years of bargain basement QB shopping is Jones going to subject is to before another miracle falls into his lap?
How many Hutchinsons, Hensens, and Stoerners must we endure this time? How many failed baseball players will we turm to?
Since the 1980 draft:
Four QB's inducted into the HOF, all 1st rounders.
8 of 11 with 5 or more Pro Bowls are 1st rounders, 2 more were drafted drafted in the 2nd round, #32 and #33 overall. The other is Brady.
All but one QB' drafted since 1980 with multiple SB victories were drafted in the 1st round.
65% of QBs drafted since 1980 and who have started a minimun of 100 games are 1st round draft picks.
Its a no brainer. You eithan. draft a QB or let someone else by trading out and having more picks.
How many Hutchinsons, Hensens, and Stoerners must we endure this time? How many failed baseball players will we turm to?
Since the 1980 draft:
Four QB's inducted into the HOF, all 1st rounders.
8 of 11 with 5 or more Pro Bowls are 1st rounders, 2 more were drafted drafted in the 2nd round, #32 and #33 overall. The other is Brady.
All but one QB' drafted since 1980 with multiple SB victories were drafted in the 1st round.
65% of QBs drafted since 1980 and who have started a minimun of 100 games are 1st round draft picks.
Its a no brainer. You eithan. draft a QB or let someone else by trading out and having more picks.
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The continual thirst by Cowboys fans and their lead cow trashing media has missed the merits and joy of this sport.
A continual conjecture of failure ... in comparisons of a cold statistical picture, that is substituted for achievement and sacrifice of heart.
No thank you. No matter the degree to success that occurs, the spirit of heart to overcome severe obstacles and achieve elements of success are still there. And that element is what binds a group and forges them into a team. Oh, team is a social concept that is rewarded with starch and earnestness that folds over into elements of our lives.
To this long following football fan, the removal of that competitive spirit, and the placement of direct comparisons to a statistical framing of certain levels of demonstrated success...well, just misses the boat.
When a mediot attempts to capture an event triggered criteria over the image of a young and purely committed athlete, the sport is lost. Funny thing about football, one can not always have easy pictures of talent and projections from past experiences, and the sport is in the now. Each and every group has to grow and experience on it's own levels of challenge. That provides the sport, as in an adversary contest, dynamics for success. Not meeting an abstract criteria.
This fighting spirit, is what lends to the sport and brings reward to fans that are watching the game. Now, talent and spirit are a volatile mixture. Add in the team demands for success, and there has to be great commitments as well as sacrifices to grow and develop at the levels that this brutal sport demand.
Arrogance in the media, means that in a way, they are ungrateful for all that is on display as well. Conscience cuts two ways. It is either ignored or given room to nuture other elements that glue fragments of violence and sacrifices into identified elements of success as well as reward. Both for players involved as for the fans loving the competition as well.
This fan isn't insulted by a lack of top achievement, as that accomplishment is being attempted on many levels of support. I love the struggle and the unending Dallas commitment to give it the full spectrum of effort for just that success.
There have been two teams in the past eight seasons, that have achieved 12 win regular seasons and should have ended up in the NFC Championship games...but each game provides opportunities for both success and failures. But the level of play to succeed was still there...and at the top levels of play.
To condemn a player out right, when there is a process of growth and a learning team effectiveness as well...is just a poor point for perspective. I hate it when media, to look informed and important in the overall picture, tries to place a player in a picture frame and declare insight. Thank God, they are not able to look into the heart or the aspiring mind and see an athlete that takes failures and grows through them. And groups of men who gain direction as the good aspects are won in the challenge.
For me, I'll be patient with the men struggling with their roles, and appreciate my Cowboys, as they arise to challenge each and every season. Not just an admired group of statistics than can be substituted for sporting pride and sportsmanship. The dignity is in the spirit of competitiion...not the discussive elements of a select achievement plateau. That is dependent upon the nature of the game as well. To lose sight of that competition leaves a shallow fan as well as an unrooted media. It's not a right to disdain all but the chest medals. That is a soap opera instead.
I'll see who we choose up, and root them on...They are a part and necessary part of the profession. Some do succeed, but due to the demand of sport...not an abstract view of success. Success here, is achieved during challenge, not in statistical analysis that lends any strength beyond discipline of directions.
A continual conjecture of failure ... in comparisons of a cold statistical picture, that is substituted for achievement and sacrifice of heart.
No thank you. No matter the degree to success that occurs, the spirit of heart to overcome severe obstacles and achieve elements of success are still there. And that element is what binds a group and forges them into a team. Oh, team is a social concept that is rewarded with starch and earnestness that folds over into elements of our lives.
To this long following football fan, the removal of that competitive spirit, and the placement of direct comparisons to a statistical framing of certain levels of demonstrated success...well, just misses the boat.
When a mediot attempts to capture an event triggered criteria over the image of a young and purely committed athlete, the sport is lost. Funny thing about football, one can not always have easy pictures of talent and projections from past experiences, and the sport is in the now. Each and every group has to grow and experience on it's own levels of challenge. That provides the sport, as in an adversary contest, dynamics for success. Not meeting an abstract criteria.
This fighting spirit, is what lends to the sport and brings reward to fans that are watching the game. Now, talent and spirit are a volatile mixture. Add in the team demands for success, and there has to be great commitments as well as sacrifices to grow and develop at the levels that this brutal sport demand.
Arrogance in the media, means that in a way, they are ungrateful for all that is on display as well. Conscience cuts two ways. It is either ignored or given room to nuture other elements that glue fragments of violence and sacrifices into identified elements of success as well as reward. Both for players involved as for the fans loving the competition as well.
This fan isn't insulted by a lack of top achievement, as that accomplishment is being attempted on many levels of support. I love the struggle and the unending Dallas commitment to give it the full spectrum of effort for just that success.
There have been two teams in the past eight seasons, that have achieved 12 win regular seasons and should have ended up in the NFC Championship games...but each game provides opportunities for both success and failures. But the level of play to succeed was still there...and at the top levels of play.
To condemn a player out right, when there is a process of growth and a learning team effectiveness as well...is just a poor point for perspective. I hate it when media, to look informed and important in the overall picture, tries to place a player in a picture frame and declare insight. Thank God, they are not able to look into the heart or the aspiring mind and see an athlete that takes failures and grows through them. And groups of men who gain direction as the good aspects are won in the challenge.
For me, I'll be patient with the men struggling with their roles, and appreciate my Cowboys, as they arise to challenge each and every season. Not just an admired group of statistics than can be substituted for sporting pride and sportsmanship. The dignity is in the spirit of competitiion...not the discussive elements of a select achievement plateau. That is dependent upon the nature of the game as well. To lose sight of that competition leaves a shallow fan as well as an unrooted media. It's not a right to disdain all but the chest medals. That is a soap opera instead.
I'll see who we choose up, and root them on...They are a part and necessary part of the profession. Some do succeed, but due to the demand of sport...not an abstract view of success. Success here, is achieved during challenge, not in statistical analysis that lends any strength beyond discipline of directions.
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plasticman
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Im afraid that many of the attributes you admire are no longer a consistant reality. Marketing, along with social, economic and political influences have created individualism, a sense of entitlement, and decisions based more on financial benefit then the spirit of competition.
The top decision maker is an amateur without a single football related credential to justify the belief that this organization continues to earn the faith and level of loyalty you have expressed.
We simply cannot offer that level of emotional investment when you consider that the player you love today may be the one you root against tomorrow, thanks to free agency and salary caps.
The game itself ia being changed by the league, as if the game is their inellectual property. It is being changed for the benefit of the players when it is the players that should be changed for the game.
Hall of Famer and 1st Cowboy draft pick Bob Lilly lived in an apartment with two roomates his rookie year. He loved the game and would have played for free.
Dez Bryant wouldnt play for 12 million a year knowing full well that the more he made the less his teammates would be able to make.
The game, along with its admirable traits and virtuous lessons of teamwork and sacrifice, have been diminished. For many of us, we remain Cowboy fans because the influence of past glories of the dynastic years is so strong that we could never comprehend not being Cowboy fans.
There are the occasional old school players like Jason Witten but they are now the rarity and not the standard. Perhaps thw Cowboys will come to embrace the old values someday, I believe this is the goal of Jason Garrett. For now, the current trend of mediocrity demamds deeper analysis and statistics keep us grounded in reality no matter how cold and impersonal the numbers may seem.
The top decision maker is an amateur without a single football related credential to justify the belief that this organization continues to earn the faith and level of loyalty you have expressed.
We simply cannot offer that level of emotional investment when you consider that the player you love today may be the one you root against tomorrow, thanks to free agency and salary caps.
The game itself ia being changed by the league, as if the game is their inellectual property. It is being changed for the benefit of the players when it is the players that should be changed for the game.
Hall of Famer and 1st Cowboy draft pick Bob Lilly lived in an apartment with two roomates his rookie year. He loved the game and would have played for free.
Dez Bryant wouldnt play for 12 million a year knowing full well that the more he made the less his teammates would be able to make.
The game, along with its admirable traits and virtuous lessons of teamwork and sacrifice, have been diminished. For many of us, we remain Cowboy fans because the influence of past glories of the dynastic years is so strong that we could never comprehend not being Cowboy fans.
There are the occasional old school players like Jason Witten but they are now the rarity and not the standard. Perhaps thw Cowboys will come to embrace the old values someday, I believe this is the goal of Jason Garrett. For now, the current trend of mediocrity demamds deeper analysis and statistics keep us grounded in reality no matter how cold and impersonal the numbers may seem.
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When I think of Dallas reverting back to taking a 4th or 5th rd QB to groom for QB..
I wish somebody would tell me who is going to develop this guy?
Romo was developed By Sean Payton and Parcells.
Not Jason Garrett and Wade Wilson and Scott Linehan.
This team has completely failed for the last 10 years to develop a backup QB much less a needed starter.
If we settle for another Romo project we are going to be settling for another 10 year period of losing while we lose all these guys we are so enamored with as our future on the OL.
To me..this owner is totally on the edge of completely dumping all the progress they may have made without drafting a top QB in this draft.
We'll see..but I have my doubts about all of this.
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I agree. I just don't think the 2nd to 3rd round QB's are going to be much so would rather not waste a pick on one then.
For me it's either a top 4 pick on a QB, possibly Lynch if he slips or get a backup type on day 3 and try to find a franchise QB next year. Of course we likely won't be drafting this high, but I don't want to waste a day 2 pick this year on one with better prospects at other positions.