Most overrated players (Then and Now)

[metalichris]

Peyton Manning-I think one of the most accurate QB's in history, but he is just an average QB when he gets any kind of pressure. Plus it don't hurt to have Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, and Dallas Clark.

Ray Lewis-Maybe the most overated LB in todays NFL. He is a beast when he has a Hall of Fame DLine, but if he can't free lance he is completly taken out of the game.

Antwoin Randle El (or however you spell it)-The most overrated reciever in todays NFL (Sorry Commander fans, bad call on this one.)

Joe Namath-Could have been a special talent without the injuries. He is regarded as one of the best because he won a game that he guarenteed to win. (I guess if the 49ers would have won that game against us last year, Julian Peterson would have already been elected into the HOF).

Those are just a few I can think of. What about you all?

 

[irvin88]

Peyton Manning ? LMAO !!

 

[Rack]

No doubt Manning IS overated. But he's not even close to being the MOST overated.

 

[metalichris]

No doubt Manning IS overated. But he's not even close to being the MOST overated.

I didn't say he was the most overrated, he was just the first to come to mind.

 

[Rack]

I didn't say he was the most overrated, he was just the first to come to mind.

O. My bad.


The first to come to my mind is Michael Vick.



It would be interesting to start a thread (or convert this one) to listing who everyone thinks it he most overated per position.


RB: Anyone in Denver.

WR: Hmmm... Randy Moss.

TE: Jeremy Shockey

Not gonna bother with OL.

DE: KGB

DT: Kris Jenkins.

OLB: Lavar Arrington

MLB: Ray Lewis (he was a great one, but not anymore.)

CB: DeAngelo Hall (gets overated cuz he thumps his dang chest so much, yet he gets beat often)

FS: Sean Taylor (very good player, but not the "Great" player he's made out to be)

SS: Adam Archuleta (he is overated, but an even better term for him is "Overpaid")

 

[Rude]

Dare I say it....... Brett Farve.

 

[burmafrd]

No telling how good Joe Namath COULD have been had he not had all those knee injuries. As A freshman at Alabama he was a great option QB. Actually in a lot of ways he reminds me of Brett Favre, looking back. Same kind of attitude, gun slinger. Difference was that he never had as much talent around him as Favre did for so long. The Jets were really only good for a couple of years. What made Joe was that during the run up to SBIII no one- and I mean NO ONE- gave the Jets a chance. And this was after the Packers had pretty much owned the Chiefs and Raiders in the first 2 games. There were rumblings that the AFL was so far behind that the merger was going to be dropped. That was not going to happen, but that was the atmosphere.
So when Joe said I guarantee the win= THEN did it= it changed EVERYTHING.
I remember heaaring something that says a lot: I think it was Buck Buchanon, or maybe Willie Lanier- one of the stars of the late 60's early 70's from the old AFL- that said that one of the reasons from that point on that Joe was always hit high instead of low was that they were all staying away from his knees. It was gratitude and respect for what he had done for all the AFL guys when he stuck it to the Colts and the rest of the NFL.

 

[ghst187]

The first to come to my mind is Michael Vick.
RB: Anyone in Denver.
WR: Hmmm... Randy Moss.
TE: Jeremy Shockey
Not gonna bother with OL.
DE: KGB
DT: Kris Jenkins.
OLB: Lavar Arrington
MLB: Ray Lewis (he was a great one, but not anymore.)
CB: DeAngelo Hall (gets overated cuz he thumps his dang chest so much, yet he gets beat often)
FS: Sean Taylor (very good player, but not the "Great" player he's made out to be)
SS: Adam Archuleta (he is overated, but an even better term for him is "Overpaid")

i definitely agree on Vick who easily takes the cake, I would also add Favre and Eli Manning. Of all time, I would have to throw out Steve Young also. There wasn't even a debate when he was up for the HOF yet he only won one SB and that because Switzer screwed us up, we were clearly a better team. He put up gawdy #s in a WC system in the perennially worst division ever in football. Then, they could never beat us at home in the playoffs, except for the one hiccup. Aikman wins 3 and people are debating whether he should be in the HOF, ridiculous.

WR: Randy Moss (at least now), Randel El, Harrison (without Wayne, he gets abused)
Underrated WR: Chris Chambers

RB: agree; also Edge, Alexander (softest RB in the league, rolls up big stats against horrible teams behind Jones and Hutch, quits or disappears when he gets hit hard and can't find open lanes), currently I have to add our own JJ also until he can make it through a full season and get 1500.
Underrated: Tiki (and I can't stand him but I still say that) and Larry Johnson

DE: I would add Jevon Kearse. He was elite early but has been a waste in Philthy (esp w/ his salary) and the last few seasons. The sacks he's gotten have been mostly accidental. Personally, I think Freeney is a little overrated, not that he's not a great PR'er, but he runs upfield 8 yards, even on running plays.
Underrated: Dude in KC can't remember his name, white guy....he's pretty darn good

CB: good call on Hall. He tells everyone he's an elite CB so I guess everyone believes it. I remember everyone raving about him "holding TO down", when TO's stats for the game were like 8 catches for 100+ yds. Some shut down. Meanwhile, TNew did shut him down and no one said a word. Hall gets roasted. I tell you, his old teammate Jimmy Williams is being painted to be some kind of elite CB also but he's worse at CB than Hall is. Has bust at CB written all over him.
Underrated: TNew

S: Agree on Arch, he wasn't overrated really until Wash paid him like a top 3 S when he's barely a top 20. Not sure if I'd say Taylor was overrated as a player or not.
Underrated: Steeler's Palmolive (sp?) guy is all over the field

K: Vanderjerk, great stats, missed when it counted most
Underrated: Mare, Longwell, J Brown

 

[5 Super Bowls]

Dare I say it....... Brett Farve.

OUR FARVE.
WHO ART IN LAMBEAU
HALLOWED BE THY ARM.
THE BOWL WILL COME
IT WILL BE WON
IN NEW ORLEANS AS IT IS IN LAMBEAU.
GIVE US THIS SUNDAY
OUR WEEKLY WIN.
AND GIVE US AS MANY TOUCHDOWNS PASSES
BUT DO NOT LET OTHERS PASS AGAINST US.
LEAD US NOT INTO FRUSTRATION
BUT DELIVER US TO BOURBON STREET
FOR THINE IS THE MVP.
THE BEST OF THE NFC.
AND THE GLORY OF THE CHEESEHEADS.
NOW AND FOREVER.
AMEN.

 

[jksmith269]

O. My bad.


The first to come to my mind is Michael Vick.



It would be interesting to start a thread (or convert this one) to listing who everyone thinks it he most overated per position.


RB: Anyone in Denver.

WR: Hmmm... Randy Moss.

TE: Jeremy Shockey

Not gonna bother with OL.

DE: KGB

DT: Kris Jenkins.

OLB: Lavar Arrington

MLB: Ray Lewis (he was a great one, but not anymore.)

CB: DeAngelo Hall (gets overated cuz he thumps his dang chest so much, yet he gets beat often)

FS: Sean Taylor (very good player, but not the "Great" player he's made out to be)

SS: Adam Archuleta (he is overated, but an even better term for him is "Overpaid")

OK lets play

QB: Vick thats easy I'd like to add McNabb
Underrated: Matt hasselback
Bubble could go either way: David Carr

RB: Jamal Lewis
Underrated: Tiki Barber
Bubble could go either way: Rickey Williams

WR: Randy and Santana Moss (both can have monster games but just as easily dissapear in games)
Underrated: Chambers, Glenn,
Bubble could go either way: L. Coles

TE: ALge Crumpler (he's the only person Vick throws to on a balanced passing team he would just be average)
Underrated: Jason Witten (he has great numbers on a run first team yet he is mentioned last among the good TE's today)
Bubble Heath Miller Good Rookie season but can he have more than one?

DE Jevon Kearse
Underrated: Greg Ellis
Bubble could go either way

DT Fergueson
Underrated Glover
Bubble could go either way

OLB:
Underrated:
Bubble could go either way. ALL the rookies from last year, Merriman, Ware come on it was one season don't forget Kearse had a couple good seasons then dissapears

CB Woodson, Pacman Jones (I know he was a rookie but he was way over hyped)
Underrated T Newman
Bubble could go either way: Anthony Henry

S Archuleta
Underrated:
Bubble could go either way: Roy Williams (Love him but he seems lost at times since woody left and gets to much hype for his big hits and not enough critisim for his blown coverages and being out of place) Will be good to see him play with a true FS

 

[dal0789]

OUR FARVE.
WHO ART IN LAMBEAU
HALLOWED BE THY ARM.
THE BOWL WILL COME
IT WILL BE WON
IN NEW ORLEANS AS IT IS IN LAMBEAU.
GIVE US THIS SUNDAY
OUR WEEKLY WIN.
AND GIVE US AS MANY TOUCHDOWNS PASSES
BUT DO NOT LET OTHERS PASS AGAINST US.
LEAD US NOT INTO FRUSTRATION
BUT DELIVER US TO BOURBON STREET
FOR THINE IS THE MVP.
THE BEST OF THE NFC.
AND THE GLORY OF THE CHEESEHEADS.
NOW AND FOREVER.
AMEN.

LMAO HAHAHAHA:laugh2: :laugh1:

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Dare I say it....... Brett Farve.

I agree Brett Farve is one of the most over rated players of all time

 

[Kangaroo]

Over rated Drew Bledsoe

 

[Phrozen Phil]

No telling how good Joe Namath COULD have been had he not had all those knee injuries. As A freshman at Alabama he was a great option QB. Actually in a lot of ways he reminds me of Brett Favre, looking back. Same kind of attitude, gun slinger. Difference was that he never had as much talent around him as Favre did for so long. The Jets were really only good for a couple of years. What made Joe was that during the run up to SBIII no one- and I mean NO ONE- gave the Jets a chance. And this was after the Packers had pretty much owned the Chiefs and Raiders in the first 2 games. There were rumblings that the AFL was so far behind that the merger was going to be dropped. That was not going to happen, but that was the atmosphere.
So when Joe said I guarantee the win= THEN did it= it changed EVERYTHING.
I remember heaaring something that says a lot: I think it was Buck Buchanon, or maybe Willie Lanier- one of the stars of the late 60's early 70's from the old AFL- that said that one of the reasons from that point on that Joe was always hit high instead of low was that they were all staying away from his knees. It was gratitude and respect for what he had done for all the AFL guys when he stuck it to the Colts and the rest of the NFL.

THis is the kind of information that should give us pause when reflecting on a player's career. Namath's contribution was more about style and determination than about individual achievement. While he may be a bit of a shell of his former self, he will defintely fit into the folklore of the NFL. Thank you for sharing this with us.

In terms of who is overrated, we can point to the numerous first day draft busts that even the experts felt would be difference makers. Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, and a host of other high profile picks come to mind.

Let's take a look at the class of 2002 for example. In that draft you have Joey Harrington, Mike Williams (OT), Philip Buchanon, Wendell Bryant, Ryan Sims, Jabar Gaffney, William Green, Antonio Bryant, Andre Gurode, and Patrick Ramsey. All of these guys were viewed to have first round talent, but have not completely lived up to expectations. While some of these guys are still performing in this league, can it not be said that they were overrated?

 

[Seven]

1. Steve Young
2. Ickey Woods
3. Frank Gifford
4. Mike Vick- for his position
5. Marco Rivera - so far
6. Any Denver Running back or o-lineman
7. Oh yeah......Jake Plummer
8. Frank Reich
9. Thurman Thomas
10. Robert Jones
11. Christian Okeye - I still liked the guy
12. Larry Johnson - Sorry, I'm still not impressed.
13. Tony Mandarich
14. Brian Bosworth
15. Aaron Brooks
16. Dante Culpepper - Hos gonna hate me for that.
17. Todd Marinovich
18. Kerry Collins
18. Joey Galloway - with Dallas
19. Wiley
20. Warren Sapp

 

[big dog cowboy]

Most overrated players (Then and Now)

Now - Mike Vick
Then - John Elway

 

[CanadaBoys]

I don't want to sound all high and mighty.... cause i'm not. i see what you are getting at with this thread, and a lot of it's true.

But i always felt bad about the whole overrated thing. Because the media guys get on someoen and blow him up to be a super hero and we as fans buy into it.

Ray Lewis is a perfect example.... He was a great player.... and they totally jumped onto him.... but the fact is that no matter HOW good you are in football it's a team sport and if you don't have help... like his old DT's then you can't make the difference by yourself.... just not possible to cover 100 yards alone with 11 guys against you...

Vick is a special talent... but they have blown him up to be some sort of michael jordan.... and he IS overrated that way... but he's no different than he was when he started... a great running talent who isn't a great passer.... but because hype sells they overdo it.

speaking strictly as to what you see though i agree with a lot of the guys out there.... there are so many players that are being given credit for team play and so many that get no credit because of team play...

but i guess that's just how it goes.... especialy for QB's and Coaches.

 

[Future]

the fact that michael vick is not in every single one of these replies baffles me

the first player that comes to mind being underrated IMO is Keith Bulluck from Tennessee. Maybe its Orangmen bias but i think this guy is a player, hands down.

 

[JTnNC]

To me Steve Young will always be the most over rated player at any position.

One ring as a starter, The guy had to have a pro bowler at almost every position to get it done then. That 94 San Fran Team had talent all over the place and even then it took a blatant non call to get them past the Cowboys in the NFC Championship, even after being spotted 21 points in the first quarter.

Other than that one season what did he ever win? Yet every year he was in the pro bowl and he was a first ballot HOF'er.

WAtching this guy on countdown sitting beside Michael Irvin like he is somehow better makes me sick. Mike was a huge huge part of getting us 3 rings while Young sits there with his one starters ring and people still act like he is a all time great. Its just not right. Mike should be there and Young should still be outside looking in.

 

[jackrussell]

12. Larry Johnson - Sorry, I'm still not impressed.

Well, gotta give it to ya, you should be the only one with Larry Johnson on this list.