Most overrated players (Then and Now)

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I agree Brett Farve is one of the most over rated players of all time

Anyone who uses Brett Favre and over rated in the same sentence should lose a lot of credibility.
 

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Now - Mike Vick

The guys just good enough to make analysts and fans alike believe the Falcons are underachieving if they are doing anything other than competing for a ring every year he's there.

Every year the "experts" point the finger at everyone in Atlanta except Vick as to why he's not reaching his maximum potential. It's either they have to get him some help, as if the brass doesn't draft a new highly thought of WR every other draft; or the coaching staff has to do a better job of melding the offense to his talents, as if playing 10 run blocking offensive linemen is an option for them.

Here's a novel thought maybe Vick has reached his potential. Maybe just maybe what you see is what you get.

Mark my words Mora Jr, who I think is a pretty good coach, pays the price for the Vick overevaluation when everything is said and done.

Then - Mike Alstott

I was afraid the powers that be were going to send this guy to the Hall of Fame there for awhile.

I live in Tampa, and every year the Bucs would use him as a short yardage and red zone substitute TB, and every year the NFL was fooled and would send him to Hawaii as a FB because he was the only guy who had any numbers at the position. Must have driven guys like Lorenzo Neal, Mack Strong, and Fred Beasley crazy watching him garner the recognition year after year while they ( in typical Moose fashion ) were the road graders for their teams successful running games.

I remember one year in particular that the coaching staff had gone almost exclusively to a one back offense ( Dunn started ), and they were hesitant to bring Alstott in for his bread and butter short yardage opps because he was having a terrible time fumbleing at the most inopportune times. I think it cost them at least one game, the fans and local media were all over him questioning if this was the end of the road for him. Still at the end of the year just like clockwork he was Pro-Bowl bound. I'll forever remember that year as the most overated ever for any player in any sport ... rediculous.
 

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Just about every QB that has won a SB is overrated except for a few.

Then

1 . Joe Namath - He sucked before and after the injuries.

2 . Steve Young - If he were truely an All Time great the Niners would have won more than 1 SB.

3. Troy Aikman - Good but how good? Had an awesome team around him.

4. Brett Favre - The media darling who became a God after winning a SB.

5. John Elway - Didnt win a SB till he was no longer the corner piece.

6. Michael Irvin - Was a key guy to the Cowboys SBs but only had 750 catches for his career. Probably why he didnt make the HoF on first try.

7. Have many more but dont feel like typing them all.

Now.

1. Tom Brady - Good but the Pats defense carried those SB teams. He showed up against Carolina finally in the only SB he deserved the MVP but didnt get it. I think his hype is wearing off somewhat.

2. Michael Vick - How is this guy still starting? Tell him to hit the weight room and make him a WR or RB already.

3. Brett Favre - Has choked in his last few playoff trips but still is a God.

4. Ray Lewis - After the Goose retired he has been average.

5. Tedy Bruschi - Average player blown up by the media.

6. Brian Urlacher - Same as Ray Lewis. Was good when Big Ted Washington was clogging up the middle but just average after.

7. Plenty more but I dont think anyone wants to read a single post all day :).
 

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Eli Manning,
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jksmith269 said:
Roy Williams ... gets to much hype for his big hits and not enough critisim for his blown coverages and being out of place

I think it's the exact opposite these days. Roy gets far too much criticism for his so-called "blown coverages and being out of place" when it's not even the case. And forget the big hits, he doesn't get nearly enough credit for being the league's best playmaking safety in all facets of the game -- against the pass, against the run, as a blitzer and as a turnover-causing/receiver-intimidating hitter.

The most overrated safety is Bob Sanders, who was a Pro Bowl starter AND made first-team All-Pro despite being almost a complete ZERO as a playmaker.
 

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Slyster said:
Just about every QB that has won a SB is overrated except for a few.

Then

1 . Joe Namath - He sucked before and after the injuries.

2 . Steve Young - If he were truely an All Time great the Niners would have won more than 1 SB.

3. Troy Aikman - Good but how good? Had an awesome team around him.

4. Brett Favre - The media darling who became a God after winning a SB.

5. John Elway - Didnt win a SB till he was no longer the corner piece.

6. Michael Irvin - Was a key guy to the Cowboys SBs but only had 750 catches for his career. Probably why he didnt make the HoF on first try.

7. Have many more but dont feel like typing them all.

Now.

1. Tom Brady - Good but the Pats defense carried those SB teams. He showed up against Carolina finally in the only SB he deserved the MVP but didnt get it. I think his hype is wearing off somewhat.

2. Michael Vick - How is this guy still starting? Tell him to hit the weight room and make him a WR or RB already.

3. Brett Favre - Has choked in his last few playoff trips but still is a God.

4. Ray Lewis - After the Goose retired he has been average.

5. Tedy Bruschi - Average player blown up by the media.

6. Brian Urlacher - Same as Ray Lewis. Was good when Big Ted Washington was clogging up the middle but just average after.

7. Plenty more but I dont think anyone wants to read a single post all day :).


Namath was the first QB ever to throw for over 4,000 yards.

Aikman was one of the most accurate QB's I've ever seen. He might have been the most accurate medium-route QB ever. Plus he was terrific at reading coverages.

Farve has put up some terrific numbers. I can't imagine the Packers having the record they did without him being the QB.

750 catches isn't mincemeat. He had the equivalent of what 10 full seasons? Injuries cut the others short. That's 75 balls a season. Not shabby PLUS he never had a terrific receiving partner like Rice often did.
 

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AdamJT13 said:
I think it's the exact opposite these days. Roy gets far too much criticism for his so-called "blown coverages and being out of place" when it's not even the case. And forget the big hits, he doesn't get nearly enough credit for being the league's best playmaking safety in all facets of the game -- against the pass, against the run, as a blitzer and as a turnover-causing/receiver-intimidating hitter.

The most overrated safety is Bob Sanders, who was a Pro Bowl starter AND made first-team All-Pro despite being almost a complete ZERO as a playmaker.

:hammer:

Overrated:
charles woodson was overrated as an nfl cb
keyshawn was overrated for a while
coles was overrated as a skin IMO

Underrated:
Newman is arguably a top 5 corner and no one but dallas fans knows how well he played last season
i think chris chambers is an awsome reciever
trent green is a solid qb but isnt really recognized for it
 

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MichaelWinicki said:
Namath was the first QB ever to throw for over 4,000 yards.

Aikman was one of the most accurate QB's I've ever seen. He might have been the most accurate medium-route QB ever. Plus he was terrific at reading coverages.

Farve has put up some terrific numbers. I can't imagine the Packers having the record they did without him being the QB.

750 catches isn't mincemeat. He had the equivalent of what 10 full seasons? Injuries cut the others short. That's 75 balls a season. Not shabby PLUS he never had a terrific receiving partner like Rice often did.

Namath may have been the first QB to go over 4000 yards but that doesnt mean he was good.. More like lucky. He also had a 52% completion percentage along with 26 TDs and 28 INTs. He was bad from the get go with only 2 seasons with more TDs than INTs.

I am not taking anything away from Aikman. Just saying that I dont think he would have been the same on a different team with less stars.

Favre does have the numbers and is good but not as good as the media and some people think he is or was.

Irvin will get into the Hall someday.. Probably next year along with Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed. But 750 catches isnt as many as you would expect Irvin to have had the way some people talk about him.
 

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Steve Young.

We gave them the NFC title game.
He then threw 5 TD's against a weakass chargers team

If not for us he would have nothing.
 

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Slyster said:
Then

2 . Steve Young - If he were truely an All Time great the Niners would have won more than 1 SB.

3. Troy Aikman - Good but how good? Had an awesome team around him.

4. Brett Favre - The media darling who became a God after winning a SB.

5. John Elway - Didnt win a SB till he was no longer the corner piece.

6. Michael Irvin - Was a key guy to the Cowboys SBs but only had 750 catches for his career. Probably why he didnt make the HoF on first try.

Now.

1. Tom Brady - Good but the Pats defense carried those SB teams. He showed up against Carolina finally in the only SB he deserved the MVP but didnt get it. I think his hype is wearing off somewhat.

2. Michael Vick - How is this guy still starting? Tell him to hit the weight room and make him a WR or RB already.

3. Brett Favre - Has choked in his last few playoff trips but still is a God.

5. Tedy Bruschi - Average player blown up by the media.

Just thought I would chime in here on some in this list.

Then

2 . Steve Young - If he were truely an All Time great the Niners would have won more than 1 SB. Yes as I mentioned he was given one by us. And someone mentioned that he needed probowlers at every position and we STILL ALMOST came back to win that game.

3. Troy Aikman - Good but how good? Had an awesome team around him.
He did have an awesome team around him. But a QB that is accurate and makes good decisions gets extra points... not on the "most overrated" list

4. Brett Favre - The media darling who became a God after winning a SB.
He is a great thrower and scrambler and playmaker for a QB... but his poor decision making put his on the list for me... and now he wants to get better players on the team... will he throw less INT's with a better D-Lineman? uh, no!

5. John Elway - Didnt win a SB till he was no longer the corner piece. Something about going 3 times and then going and winning 2x and being a major part of atleast ONE SB run Victory and the NEVER give up til I get one attitude takes him off the list for me.

6. Michael Irvin - Was a key guy to the Cowboys SBs but only had 750 catches for his career. Probably why he didnt make the HoF on first try.
If they did not have Emmitt and Harper and just went to one WR like many other QB/Teams do he would have easily gone over a 1,000 catches IMO.

Now.

1. Tom Brady - Good but the Pats defense carried those SB teams. He showed up against Carolina finally in the only SB he deserved the MVP but didnt get it. I think his hype is wearing off somewhat. His coolness and decision making makes it so I cant see him on this list. No matter what... he led team to 3 SB wins and made minimal mistakes and gave his team a chance to win at the end of each SB. Instead of someone like McNabb that throws 3 INTS in the Sb.

2. Michael Vick - How is this guy still starting? Tell him to hit the weight room and make him a WR or RB already. He should be WR or DB or KR.

5. Tedy Bruschi - Average player blown up by the media. I dont know.. .the guy is always around the ball and makes BIG plays. I dont see him on this list.
 

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YoMick said:
Just thought I would chime in here on some in this list.

Then

2 . Steve Young - If he were truely an All Time great the Niners would have won more than 1 SB. Yes as I mentioned he was given one by us. And someone mentioned that he needed probowlers at every position and we STILL ALMOST came back to win that game.

3. Troy Aikman - Good but how good? Had an awesome team around him.
He did have an awesome team around him. But a QB that is accurate and makes good decisions gets extra points... not on the "most overrated" list

4. Brett Favre - The media darling who became a God after winning a SB.
He is a great thrower and scrambler and playmaker for a QB... but his poor decision making put his on the list for me... and now he wants to get better players on the team... will he throw less INT's with a better D-Lineman? uh, no!

5. John Elway - Didnt win a SB till he was no longer the corner piece. Something about going 3 times and then going and winning 2x and being a major part of atleast ONE SB run Victory and the NEVER give up til I get one attitude takes him off the list for me.

6. Michael Irvin - Was a key guy to the Cowboys SBs but only had 750 catches for his career. Probably why he didnt make the HoF on first try.
If they did not have Emmitt and Harper and just went to one WR like many other QB/Teams do he would have easily gone over a 1,000 catches IMO.

Now.

1. Tom Brady - Good but the Pats defense carried those SB teams. He showed up against Carolina finally in the only SB he deserved the MVP but didnt get it. I think his hype is wearing off somewhat. His coolness and decision making makes it so I cant see him on this list. No matter what... he led team to 3 SB wins and made minimal mistakes and gave his team a chance to win at the end of each SB. Instead of someone like McNabb that throws 3 INTS in the Sb.

2. Michael Vick - How is this guy still starting? Tell him to hit the weight room and make him a WR or RB already. He should be WR or DB or KR.

5. Tedy Bruschi - Average player blown up by the media. I dont know.. .the guy is always around the ball and makes BIG plays. I dont see him on this list.

I see where you are coming from on some of these but I disagree big time on Tom Brady. He is cool because he rarely has to worry about pressure. When teams finally get pressure on him he looks like David Carr. The hard part is getting to him. The blocking scheme they use is very good and they flood the defense with alot of underneathe routes where one is always open.

I guess you a reffering to 98 when Elway had a decent game againt the Falcons? As far as I can tell the offense only had two TDs ( 1 passing and 1 running both by Elway ) but they scored 34 points. Might be wrong about that though.
 

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I see where you are coming from on some of these but I disagree big time on Tom Brady. He is cool because he rarely has to worry about pressure. When teams finally get pressure on him he looks like David Carr. The hard part is getting to him. The blocking scheme they use is very good and they flood the defense with alot of underneathe routes where one is always open.

I guess you a reffering to 98 when Elway had a decent game againt the Falcons? As far as I can tell the offense only had two TDs ( 1 passing and 1 running both by Elway ) but they scored 34 points. Might be wrong about that though.

The things that standout for me with Brady and Elway are:

  • Brady when he was just about to setup spot for Vinatieri in 1st SB. He spiked the ball and it bounced up and he caught it with one hand as if he knew they would win. Plus I have seen him under pressure and make good plays. So we can agree to disagree on Brady.
  • Elway when he sacrificed his body on a game deciding run for first down and got hit and did a flip or something. Cant remember game but it was on run to SB.
 

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How is it that when everyone in both the media and fandom talk about Vick's subpar passing and how he is overrated, he is still called overrated?

When everyone calls a player overrated for 2+ years, he really isn't overrated anymore, now is he.

That being said, you never see anyone give him credit for his ability anymore - it isn't as if he's never won Atlanta any games.
 

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I wouldn't ever say Elway or Brady are or were overrated.
Elway took his team to the SB 5 or 6x and won 2. He singlehandedly carried them there the first several times, when he finally got a team around him, he won 2. He singlehandedly made the Broncos much better than they really were.
Brady won 3x SBs...nuff said but I'll say more. He did it without anyone to speak of at WR and won 2 without anyone to speak of at RB. He did have a good OL and D but man, the dude was as cool as the other side of the pillow in the clutch. He was underrated and overlooked at Michigan too, all he did was win.
For the record, I don't think Favre was overrated 5 years ago or so, but the last several....he's been living on reputation only...he's throwing a ton of INTs.
 

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I look at it this way. Going and losing is the same as not going at all ( SBs that is ). Elway got 2 rings after TD came to town and he gets to much credit for the wins. He is overrated to me in that sense.

I have had to suffer with watching alot of Pats game the last few years and when Brady was under alot of pressure he crumbles. Last year in a game versus the Bills his play was very bad when they got consistent pressure on him. There were other games last year where he looked just as bad missing recievers by 10 yards. But you dont see that often because of the type of schemes they run. They have some of the best YAC recievers ( Kevin Faulk is pretty darn good.. He always kills the Bills ). One of those underneath routes are always open so you dont have alot of time to get to him for the most part.

I agree with you about Favre I guess. People seem to think he is the same QB now as he was then. Plus he gets a free pass it seems. Not to many people talk about his 6 INT game against the Rams on 01 or his 4 INT game against the Vikings in 04 ( both in the playoffs ).
 
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