News: Most reasonable article out there on Gregory situation

[805BoysInBlue]

Randy's camp wanted him in Denver, at the end of the day I dont think Dallas is losing on this deal. The language is standard for Dallas, but his rookie agent wasn't familiar with it cause he's never dealt with negotiating a contract with Dallas. Dallas was willing to remove it and they still chose to go to Denver. Good riddance.

 

[Creeper]

The way I heard it on the NFL network is the Cowboys include that language in every contracts, but Dak objected to it so they took it out. According to what I heard was the language is standard in all Cowboys contracts and it was not added at the last minute. The Cowboys sent their contract over with the terms that were agreed to and that language was included. To say it was snuck in or added at the last minute would not be a true statement. btw, the language says that a fine resulting from substance abuse would void the guarantees in the contract. So if Gregory was caught doing drugs again in 2022, his 2023 salary guarantee would be voided.

Gregory apparently objected to the language as well, but the Cowboys refused to remove it for him, and I think we all know why. Just imagine for a second that Gregory fails a drug test and misses further testing. Given his background what team would want to be on the hook for his contract for another year?

I don't blame the Cowboys for this at all. I blame Gregory 100%.

 

[Doomsday]

That article is not reasonable, it is one-sided, as usual with PFT.

The Cowboys have that language in every contract, including Gregory's previous deal and it is part of the new CBA.

 

[Beast_from_East]

It's been reported by Slater that various agents she talked to say it's standard for Dallas in all contracts except Dak. Randy just got his feeling hurt.

That begs the question, if it is standard for all contracts why was Dak's contract excluded?

 

[Beast_from_East]

From the Article ..

Per Schaffer, owner and G.M. Jerry Jones got Gregory on the phone to make the pitch. The Cowboys increased their offer to match Denver’s. As Schaffer tells it, the Cowboys told Gregory, “‘We love you, we will support you. This is the best place for you. We know who you are.'”

Gregory then decided not to sign with the Broncos, and to stay with the Cowboys. But next came the actual contract from the Cowboys. Schaffer said he was surprised to find language wiping out all guarantees in the event of any fine imposed by the NFL.

“No other teams have that language in their contracts,” Schaffer told PFT. “No other teams. Never in 30 years have I seen that language.”

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If that is true, I do not blame Gregory or his agent at all for running away from that offer.

Players that hit quarterbacks tend to get fined before you even think about the more serious things for which the NFL may fine a player.

Good point Reality.

The point I dont understand is if this is suppose to be standard in all of Dallas's contracts, why was Dak excluded, as being reported. If this clause is not in his contract then it really blows a hole in the entire narrative that this is just boilerplate language and is in every contract, because obviously its not if Dak is excluded.

 

[ColoradoCowboy]

A few things here...

First, I actually like Randy and I would have been happy if he had stayed.

Second, there is a VERY big difference between "Having the option to void his guarantees" and "cutting his pay" or "terminating his contract." Just because I have the option to do something, does not mean that I WILL do it. AND even if I did, he money is still paid if he stays for the length of the contract. It is just that the money is no longer guaranteed. It must be earned.

Voiding the guarantees would only make it easier to cut him, which would allow his to become a Free Agent again. Honestly, I don't see the issue here.

I don't understand why Denver would take this risk when they are looking for a buyer for the team. If Randy screws up and the team gets dragged through a PR mudpit, the value of the team goes down.

One last point, I fully expect the endorsement money in Denver for "Green Medication" to start rolling in for Randy. LOL

 

[Proof]

my biggest takeaway from all of this is that Randy had a deal with the Broncos first with Dallas scrambling to get involved in the midnight hour. I think they got caught with their pants down thinking the market for Randy wouldn’t be that robust, and that he would do their job for them by venturing out and getting a reality check and it backfired. Couple that with them prioritizing Schulz, along with the Amari, La’el and Tank drama and they likely pushed Randy right into Denver’s arms when all they had to do was move with a bit more urgency

 

[Starforever]

That article is not reasonable, it is one-sided, as usual with PFT.

The Cowboys have that language in every contract, including Gregory's previous deal and it is part of the new CBA.

Like I stated in another thread, no one knows, except for what is being reported.

 

[Birch_Wood]

Mind blown..."At the end of it all, Gregory was upset. Given his history of issues under the substance-abuse policy, Gregory thought the Cowboys were trying to pull a fast one by potentially setting him up for a wiping out of guarantees in the event of a mere fine." Or maybe protecting themselves from behavior that has failed them over and over. Crazy how in this article, it becomes the Cowboys issue and not Gregory's.

 

[Merlin]

A few things here...

First, I actually like Randy and I would have been happy if he had stayed.

Second, there is a VERY big difference between "Having the option to void his guarantees" and "cutting his pay" or "terminating his contract." Just because I have the option to do something, does not mean that I WILL do it. AND even if I did, he money is still paid if he stays for the length of the contract. It is just that the money is no longer guaranteed. It must be earned.

Voiding the guarantees would only make it easier to cut him, which would allow his to become a Free Agent again. Honestly, I don't see the issue here.

I don't understand why Denver would take this risk when they are looking for a buyer for the team. If Randy screws up and the team gets dragged through a PR mudpit, the value of the team goes down.

One last point, I fully expect the endorsement money in Denver for "Green Medication" to start rolling in for Randy. LOL

Denver isn't taking any risk. It's in the CBA under article 4, section 9. They just don't put the language in their contracts referencing that like the Cowboys do.

 

[CWR]

The way I heard it on the NFL network is the Cowboys include that language in every contracts, but Dak objected to it so they took it out. According to what I heard was the language is standard in all Cowboys contracts and it was not added at the last minute. The Cowboys sent their contract over with the terms that were agreed to and that language was included. To say it was snuck in or added at the last minute would not be a true statement. btw, the language says that a fine resulting from substance abuse would void the guarantees in the contract. So if Gregory was caught doing drugs again in 2022, his 2023 salary guarantee would be voided.

Gregory apparently objected to the language as well, but the Cowboys refused to remove it for him, and I think we all know why. Just imagine for a second that Gregory fails a drug test and misses further testing. Given his background what team would want to be on the hook for his contract for another year?

I don't blame the Cowboys for this at all. I blame Gregory 100%.

Yeah this article is misleading trash. They don't elaborate on the "fine." It's a lie of omission..

 

[darthseinfeld]

So between all the Twitters and the fake Fish News, It sounds like the true story is getting mixed up. If you haven’t seen this link, this sounds like what truly happened with the Gregory signing.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ion-of-decision-to-ditch-cowboys-for-broncos/

Cowboys did try to add something that wasn’t reasonable, not normal, and doesn’t sound like Stephen Jones is much of a negotiator. I would say ‘if the Cowboys even intended on keeping him,’ but if Jerry Jones was having to personally get involved then yes, the Cowboys did want to keep him and blew this. I know a lot of fans did not trust him, but the Broncos honestly signed him for cheap versus what decent pass rushers get on the market.

Problem with the agents spin was the exact same clause was in Gregory's last contract

 

[jterrell]

Crazy that Florio is accurate for once but he just told you 100% Shaffer's side; word for word.

Notables: Dallas was not in the lead and HAD TO MATCH Denver's money.
This was never going to be a home-town discount deal.
Jerry had to personally get involved and they had to match every cent to get the verbal.

Language not being in Dak's contract versus every other player is a heinously unfair bar to expect upheld.

Dallas needs to seriously review its contract negotiation strategy as agents know their playbook and use it against them.

Randy Gregory got overpaid.

14M for 5 years after never starting more than 11 games or collecting more than 6.5 sacks is wild.
In the Playoff game Randy Gregory had 1 tackle.

He's a good player but he's turning 30 this season.

Dallas probably dodged a bullet here but they also should take a very real lesson from this and address a terrible free agent negotiation strategy.
Woo guys, show them highlight reels, play to their ego and emotion.
You are in fact recruiting them.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I'm not sure how many other Cowboys he represents.

This smells funny, something is off

Problem with the agents spin was the exact same clause was in Gregory's last contract

Here is the full quote:

“No other teams have that language in their contracts,” Schaffer told PFT. “No other teams. Never in 30 years have I seen that language.”

It sounds like he’s saying he’s never seen it from someone other than Dallas. I think that tweet is taking it out of context

 

[morasp]

Who is Gregory?

 

[SinceDayOne]

So, bottom line, the Cowboys are down three starters from last year's team....Cooper, Williams and Gregory. If the rumors are true then Collins is all but out. And you got to think LVE is a question to return. That would make five. Thus the Cowboys need badly to make a splash signing or two in FA. The team is getting to the point they really need someone like Bobby Wager or Von Miller or guys on a par with them. You can only replace so much through the draft. Getting two or so full time rookie starters that can truly hold their own is a pretty good draft.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Why was Dak exempted if its common boilerplate language in all their contracts?

It cant be both ways. It cant be that this is typical boilerplate language that is found in the CBA itself and is in all of Dallas's contracts, but yet Dak is excluded.

How can Dak be excluded if its from the CBA itself? Something does not add up here.

Its apparently only common in Dallas and might be the reason why we struggle during free agency. Gregorys agent said he has never seen that language in another contract.

 

[jterrell]

So, bottom line, the Cowboys are down three starters from last year's team....Cooper, Williams and Gregory. If the rumors are true then Collins is all but out. And you got to think LVE is a question to return. That would make five. Thus the Cowboys need badly to make a splash signing or two in FA. The team is getting to the point they really need someone like Bobby Wager or Von Miller or guys on a par with them. You can only replace so much through the draft. Getting two or so full time rookie starters that can truly hold their own is a pretty good draft.

yes but no.
Cooper was obviously a starter.
CWill was a part-time starter. And awful. He wasn't projected to start next year even if he did resign here.
Gregory started 11 games. He played 38% of the snaps. He is a good pass rusher but still mostly a nickel pass rush specialist.
LVE was technically a starter but a part-time LB. He played 57% of the snaps even though he was available all 17 games.

Dallas definitely needs to add some talent in both FA and the draft but they do this all yearly.
Hopefully they find another Jayron Kearse or Malik Hooker versus say Keanu Neal.

 

[jterrell]

Good point Reality.

The point I dont understand is if this is suppose to be standard in all of Dallas's contracts, why was Dak excluded, as being reported. If this clause is not in his contract then it really blows a hole in the entire narrative that this is just boilerplate language and is in every contract, because obviously its not if Dak is excluded.

The fine could ONLY be for substance abuse to void the guarantee and RG only has 2 years of GTD money meaning he really only had 1 YEAR to worry about.
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[SinceDayOne]

yes but no.
Cooper was obviously a starter.
CWill was a part-time starter. And awful. He wasn't projected to start next year even if he did resign here.
Gregory started 11 games. He played 38% of the snaps. He is a good pass rusher but still mostly a nickel pass rush specialist.
LVE was technically a starter but a part-time LB. He played 57% of the snaps even though he was available all 17 games.

Dallas definitely needs to add some talent in both FA and the draft but they do this all yearly.
Hopefully they find another Jayron Kearse or Malik Hooker versus say Keanu Neal.

And where do they end up every year? A good average roster that can hold its own in the NFL East but not much else. Year after year the off season and the draft produce the same results of a roster on par with the previous season. IMO at this point they are going to go hard to get back to par with last season's roster. We sorely need management that can do better.