Mutually Parting Ways with Kellen Moore

[Big_D]

And to this day I still blame Parcells for being one of those guys who purposely stuck it to Jerry Jones not letting him know that he was intending to leave early and quit like he always does to allow Jerry to go to Sean Payton and let him know he's the successor to not leave early if they would have had a plan in place we could have kept Sean Payton I blame bill Parcells 100% and I will never let him live it down I have no respect for the man at all being the fact that he was a ex giant NFC East hated rival then he comes here and basically starts something and doesn't finish it just runs I don't wanna hear that Jerry chased him off he literally quit and he did it in a way where it purposefully kept Jerry from being able to retain Sean Payton.

Quit?? lol he was 65 and retired from coaching. He gave Jerry 4 years and you knew from day one it wasn’t going to be a long coaching stint. It was Jerry who usually kept Jerry from making any kind of quality move whatsoever. Blaming Parcells is hilarious!

 

[Blitzen]

That’s the beauty of this. We are going to find out who this was more about.

If Moore was a fraud he will be exposed . And we will see if McCarthy can make the improvement needed. Can’t ask for much more high drama than that.

Let’s hope our issues aren’t more about our QB.

You understand that many here will never acknowledge that Dak is just a good regular season QB that does not have the necessary talent to give him a reasonable championship level ability?

If this team struggled offensively (with Dak being healthy), these fans will blame McCarthy. If Dak led teams never win a championship, they will ultimately blame Jerry (who definitely deserves the bulk of team building mistakes).

Kellen is in a no win situation for these same fans. If he succeeds in San Diego (even high end success), it will be because of the elite talent of Herbert-not because of Moore. If the offense struggles, it will be because Moore is proving them correct.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I agree. This is exactly my position. There’s no point in debating it now, before the season. It will play out this year and we’ll see who was right or wrong.

How so? We did not win a SB with Kellen Moore so how was getting rid of him wrong? The NFL isn't as black and white as that. Kellen very well could be a better fit for the Chargers. HE could also be a better OC for them then he was here. He was learning on the fly here. Basically a internship. He got fired for his warts. He will learn from those warts. At least he should. I can't imagine him making the same mistakes he did here there.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Quit?? lol he was 65 and retired from coaching. He gave Jerry 4 years and you knew from day one it wasn’t going to be a long coaching stint. It was Jerry who usually kept Jerry from making any kind of quality move whatsoever. Blaming Parcells is hilarious!

There are times where I feel Jerry of all people stepped in to prevent Parcells mistake. Parcells didn't want TO. TO was GREAT for Romo's career. Then if Parcells didn't have his way we wouldn't have ever had Demarcus Ware. A generational talent.

 

[Stash]

How so? We did not win a SB with Kellen Moore so how was getting rid of him wrong? The NFL isn't as black and white as that. Kellen very well could be a better fit for the Chargers. HE could also be a better OC for them then he was here. He was learning on the fly here. Basically an internship. He got fired for his warts. He will learn from those warts. At least he should. I can't imagine him making the same mistakes he did here there.

As I said, we will see. You can type anything you want - pro or con - and it won’t matter until the season plays out.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You understand that many here will never acknowledge that Dak is just a good regular season QB that does not have the necessary talent to give him a reasonable championship level ability?

If this team struggled offensively (with Dak being healthy), these fans will blame McCarthy. If Dak led teams never win a championship, they will ultimately blame Jerry (who definitely deserves the bulk of team building mistakes).

Kellen is in a no win situation for these same fans. If he succeeds in San Diego (even high end success), it will be because of the elite talent of Herbert-not because of Moore. If the offense struggles, it will be because Moore is proving them correct.

Is the NFL ever that cut and dry? Is it ever just ONE person who's the reason for success or one person who's the reason for failure?

 

[big dog cowboy]

I still think that what got Moore fired was the playcalling late in games when the team had a lead. There were just waaaaay too many 3 and outs, frequently started by an obvious Zeke run up the middle for no yards on 1st down. The bomb play on 3rd down against Jacksonville where a simple run would have ended the game was just icing on the cake.

I had more issues with KM passing on 2nd and 2 with an empty set than him running on 2nd and long. Especially in the redzone.

These are 2 great examples of Moore's problem. Situational football wasn't his strongest suit sometimes. Being up 14 at GB last year to start the 4th quarter only to lose told me something had to be done. Losing those games should never happen.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

As I said, we will see. You can type anything you want - pro or con - and it won’t matter until the season plays out.

That's my point. We've SEEN IT. Was Kellen Moore not our OC last year? Was he not our OC the year before? Or the year before that?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

These are 2 great examples of Moore's problem. Situational football wasn't his strongest suit sometimes. Being up 14 at GB last year to start the 4th quarter only to lose told me something had to be done. Losing those games should never happen.

This is also my issue with McCarthy or his power here. Either he didn't have the power to overrule Kellen or he didn't see fit to do it. Both concerns IMO.

 

[jazzcat22]

Some Cowboy fans will need to be rooting as hard this year against the Chargers , their offense and Hubert as they will be rooting for our offense under McCarthy to take Prescott to the next level.

Who’s been holding this offense back against the better teams and defenses? Was it our OC or our QB? Can’t make this type of drama up any better than this .

I can see this being true.
Though I am one fan that is glad we moved on from Moore. I just think this offense was stale and predictable. Especially against good defenses and in the playoffs.

However, I will be rooting for the Chargers this season. And I will not rue Moore going there. I will root for them as I did last year only to knock off KC as top dog in that division. Therefore making them play road playoff games. As they will make the playoffs, KC I mean, and hopefully LAC as division champs.

I don't think Herbert success will have anything to do with Moore either, though many on here will say it does, as he is already a very good QB. But maybe he can enhance what can be an already very good offense. If their players can stay healthy.

The question I have, is, will Moore instill his offense, or adapt to what is already in place with some minor changes...like 30%.

 

[Stash]

That's my point. We've SEEN IT. Was Kellen Moore not our OC last year? Was he not our OC the year before? Or the year before that?

And Mike McCarthy wasn’t yet.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

What did Moore as an OC accomplish for us?
1 playoff win? Or 2?

Exactly. What are we losing by letting Moore go? Losing the #1 scoring offense? Boo hoo.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And Mike McCarthy wasn’t yet.

Wasn't what? Our head coach?

 

[Big_D]

There are times where I feel Jerry of all people stepped in to prevent Parcells mistake. Parcells didn't want TO. TO was GREAT for Romo's career. Then if Parcells didn't have his way we wouldn't have ever had Demarcus Ware. A generational talent.

I don’t care what 2 moves Jerry made, the team was absolute garbage before Parcells got here. And then absolute garbage once again just a few short years after he left.

 

[jazzcat22]

That’s the beauty of this. We are going to find out who this was more about.

If Moore was a fraud he will be exposed . And we will see if McCarthy can make the improvement needed. Can’t ask for much more high drama than that.

Let’s hope our issues aren’t more about our QB.

Though true, however, there are many moving parts to this as well.
Things happen that can cause unusual events to get a real take on it. Such as injuries.
Then there are those so hard headed, no matter what, their opinions will not be altered.

I will be rooting for LAC, not because of Moore, nor will I root against them because of Moore.
I will root for them as I did last year to knock of KC.
I do like Herbert at QB, and we will see if he develops even more. Not because of Moore, though he could, but because he has another year of experience.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don’t care what 2 moves Jerry made, the team was absolute garbage before Parcells got here. And then absolute garbage once again just a few short years after he left.

They were GARBAGE with Parcells here too lol. Parcells did not quit this organization and leave it in good hands. He screwed us. Had he left and gave the reigns to Payton that would've been the smart and respectable thing to do. He just abruptly left and didn't go to Hawaii and retire....left here and went to Miami.


And you downplay Ware and TO.....what exactly did Parcells do here? Drafted Witten? He changed the culture here but as you said...the culture was gone soon as he left. So essentially didn't change anything.

 

[Big_D]

He built a playoff team from a perennial 5-11 mess and within a few years after he left they reached a new level of crap diving even below the Campo years. Jerry has been a complete football dunce 98% of the time since 1994. His decisions are laughable and somehow the 2% of any good move he’s capable of doesn’t make up for it. That team was far from garbage by 2006. Especially when you look at the 2001 and 2010 teams. The Jerry effect doesn’t really get more apparent than that.

 

[zack]

Moore should have been let go the minute MM was hired. Stupid Jerry move of always having at least one hold over coach from the prior staff.
I wanted the MM to run the offense the way he wanted to and finally he gets his chance. For those saying his prior success was because of Rodgers, how many more SBs did Rodgers win after he left?
I want MM to be successful because if not, Quinn will be next man up and the Jerry cycle will continue.

 

[Big_D]

They were GARBAGE with Parcells here too lol. Parcells did not quit this organization and leave it in good hands. He screwed us. Had he left and gave the reigns to Payton that would've been the smart and respectable thing to do. He just abruptly left and didn't go to Hawaii and retire....left here and went to Miami.


And you downplay Ware and TO.....what exactly did Parcells do here? Drafted Witten? He changed the culture here but as you said...the culture was gone soon as he left. So essentially didn't change anything.

So we watch Ware and TO go on to win absolutely nothing then brag about the ownership? lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He built a playoff team from a perennial 5-11 mess and within a few years after he left they reached a new level of crap diving even below the Campo years. Jerry has been a complete football dunce 98% of the time since 1994. His decisions are laughable and somehow the 2% of any good move he’s capable of doesn’t make up for it. That team was far from garbage by 2006. Especially when you look at the 2001 and 2010 teams. The Jerry effect doesn’t really get more apparent than that.

That one Parcells team that made the playoffs was a bad team. I don't blame him entirely for that. Troy Hambrick as RB.....QC as QB....it was limited and overachieved but it was not a good team lol.