My Absolute Final Cowboys Mock...

ZeroClub

just trying to get better
Messages
7,619
Reaction score
1
Using the draft chart and considering only the Cowboys choices in this weekend's draft, would it be possible for the Cowboys to keep the #22 pick and trade for a 2nd first round pick (e.g., a #30 with they could pick up Spencer)?

(A modified Ditka, perhaps?)
 

Hostile

The Duke
Messages
119,565
Reaction score
4,544
ZeroClub;1466870 said:
Using the draft chart and considering only the Cowboys choices in this weekend's draft, would it be possible for the Cowboys to keep the #22 pick and trade for a 2nd first round pick (e.g., a #30 with they could pick up Spencer)?

(A modified Ditka, perhaps?)
Oh sure. I don't have the links at work or I'd do a scenario as an example. I will later if you want me to, or someone else can.

Any trade is possible. You just need two partners who want the deal.
 

ZeroClub

just trying to get better
Messages
7,619
Reaction score
1
Hostile;1466879 said:
Oh sure. I don't have the links at work or I'd do a scenario as an example. I will later if you want me to, or someone else can.

Any trade is possible. You just need two partners who want the deal.
I'd appreciate a scenerio.

I wasn't sure if the Cowboys 2007 2nd - 7th round draft picks would be worth, in numerical value (according to the draft chart), the chart value of the #30 pick in the first round of the 2007 draft.
 

masomenos

Less is more
Messages
5,983
Reaction score
33
I love every pick except for Sidney Rice in the 2nd. Rice is one of the least consistent WRs at the top of the draft with more than half of his TD's coming in one game against a bad team. He's also one of the players who just doesn't seem to have the quickness to separate at the next level, as evidenced by the 17 pass deflections against him this past season (although some of that can be marked to poor QB). He also doesn't show the ability to make plays after the catch. I think Rice has the ability to be a third or fourth WR but not much more.

Overall I give the draft a B, with only the second pick keeping it from an A.
 

Charles

Benched
Messages
3,408
Reaction score
1
Hostile;1466067 said:
...before the real deal this weekend. I am changing it up after Jerry's PC today. If you look at my last Mock, I am on the right track in some areas, a bit off in others. This one will involve a trade down in the 1st round.

The value chart I am using has pick #22 worth 780 points, pick #212 is worth 7.6 points, pick 234 is worth 3.4 points. That comes to 791.

I am projecting that the Chargers will want to get ahead of the Chiefs to take the WR of their choice. They send us the 30th pick in round 1 (620 points) and their 3rd round pick #93 (128 points) and pick #129 (43 points). That also comes to 791 points.

That makes this the order and I'll add my picks.

FINAL MOCK

1) #30...Anthony Spencer, DE/OLB, Purdue, 6'3", 261...Spencer becomes a bookend for Ware in the 3-4 and Carpenter moves inside moving Bradie James to primary ILB backup, and Burnett to primary OLB backup. The plan is to use Ellis at LDE as a situational pass rusher. Above all we will pressure the QB with this defense. As much as I would love to have Meachem at WR to prepare for the future and groom him with Tony Romo, I set that aside for what I think will happen.

2) #53...Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina, 6'4", 202...At some point in 2007 our WR of the future will be on the field as the #1 or #2 guy. Even if it is just spelling someone. I would like to see someone groomed to view the work ethic of Owens and Glenn. I like Rice because he produced despite not having a QB.

3) #87...Paul Soliai, DT, Utah, 6' 4", 344...I like this pick. I think he is the NT we need for 7 to 8 years easily. Ferguson is past his prime, (not his usefulness) and this kid will be ready to take over in a year possibly. Maybe even sooner.

3) #93...John Beck, QB, BYU, 6' 2", 215...Jerry Jones still hints that he is thinking QB on day 1 and so am I despite being talked out of it once. I still say this kid is the 3rd best QB in this draft and the best backup to Tony Romo because they play similar.

4) #122...
Allen Barbre, OT, Missouri Southern State, 6'4", 300...He's rising up draft boards because he's big and nasty. That's how I like it.

4) #129...Courtney Brown, CB, Cal Poly, 6' 2" 200...His potential is through the roof. He can be the Nickel CB for a year and learn. No matter what, CB in 2008 will probably be my top choice.

5) #159...Anthony Waters, ILB, Clemson, 6'3", 245...Injuries are keeping him form being a day 1 pick. Instead he is a day 2 steal.

6) #195...Joe Newton, TE, Oregon State, 6'7", 257...We only have 2 TEs on the roster, and this guy can not only block, he is a threat in the red zone with his size.

6) #200...Nate Ilaoa, FB, Hawaii, 5'10", 245...in 2006 he had 990 yards rushing with 13 TDs, and 67 receptions for 5 more TDs. He is a bulldozer who can become a weapon at FB.

7) #237...Scott Stephenson, C, Iowa State, 6'3", 297...Can play Guard as well. Versatility equals value at this point.

Feel free to rip it apart as always.
Great stuff. That draft is very pure. I like the TE pick in the 6th. Tony Curtis is going to need the competition.

I especially like the Nate Ilaoa pick. I think goes in the 5th, atleast from the feed back I getting from my sources.
 

Hostile

The Duke
Messages
119,565
Reaction score
4,544
masomenos85;1467033 said:
I love every pick except for Sidney Rice in the 2nd. Rice is one of the least consistent WRs at the top of the draft with more than half of his TD's coming in one game against a bad team. He's also one of the players who just doesn't seem to have the quickness to separate at the next level, as evidenced by the 17 pass deflections against him this past season (although some of that can be marked to poor QB). He also doesn't show the ability to make plays after the catch. I think Rice has the ability to be a third or fourth WR but not much more.

Overall I give the draft a B, with only the second pick keeping it from an A.
Rice doesn't have a QB to get him the ball.

I like Anthony Gonzalez, Steve Smith, and Jason Hill equally with him. You can insert any of your choice and it wouldn't bother me at all.
 

MichaelWinicki

"You want some?"
Staff member
Messages
47,997
Reaction score
27,917
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Well, here's to Beck hopefully getting picked before our turn comes up in the 3rd round... :beer2:
 

BrAinPaiNt

Mike Smith aka Backwoods Sexy
Staff member
Messages
78,654
Reaction score
42,999
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Hostile;1467060 said:
Rice doesn't have a QB to get him the ball.

I like Anthony Gonzalez, Steve Smith, and Jason Hill equally with him. You can insert any of your choice and it wouldn't bother me at all.

I will admit rice kind of scares me a little.

I know he had a crappy QB and I hate to single out a system but it just seems that Coach Coach em Up does not have as much success with his QBs and WRs when they goto the NFL.

I am not sure if is something where he just looks for a specific type of player or what.

I would not rule him completely out because of that, just have to admit he scares me a tad.
 

Hostile

The Duke
Messages
119,565
Reaction score
4,544
MichaelWinicki;1467074 said:
Well, here's to Beck hopefully getting picked before our turn comes up in the 3rd round... :beer2:
:eek:

Bully.

:D
 

Hostile

The Duke
Messages
119,565
Reaction score
4,544
BrAinPaiNt;1467093 said:
I will admit rice kind of scares me a little.

I know he had a crappy QB and I hate to single out a system but it just seems that Coach Coach em Up does not have as much success with his QBs and WRs when they goto the NFL.

I am not sure if is something where he just looks for a specific type of player or what.

I would not rule him completely out because of that, just have to admit he scares me a tad.
I know what you're saying on Ole Ball Coach, but even a blind chicken gets a piece of corn now and then. Rice's size and speed are what I am looking at. He has potential.
 

MichaelWinicki

"You want some?"
Staff member
Messages
47,997
Reaction score
27,917
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Hostile;1467150 said:

Sorry Hos.

But I believe 1st day picks should be guys that can contribute to a SB run in '07 and the third string QB is not likely to see a down. I'm much rather have a CB in the third round. I'm fine with your other choices.
 

Hostile

The Duke
Messages
119,565
Reaction score
4,544
MichaelWinicki;1467210 said:
Sorry Hos.

But I believe 1st day picks should be guys that can contribute to a SB run in '07 and the third string QB is not likely to see a down. I'm much rather have a CB in the third round. I'm fine with your other choices.
Go rob another bank.

:wink2:
 

carphalen5150

New Member
Messages
1,064
Reaction score
0
I'd just like to point out that John Beck was quoted as saying he "hates kittens". Seems to be a loose cannon...
 

MichaelWinicki

"You want some?"
Staff member
Messages
47,997
Reaction score
27,917
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
carphalen5150;1468050 said:
I'd just like to point out that John Beck was quoted as saying he "hates kittens". Seems to be a loose cannon...

:laugh2:

That pretty much seals the deal in my book then...
 

carphalen5150

New Member
Messages
1,064
Reaction score
0
RAMS WANT BECK?
There are rumors making the rounds that the St. Louis Rams have contacted teams at the bottom of round one regarding the possibility of getting a chance to pick BYU quarterback John Beck before the Lions use their second-round draft selection.
The Rams most likely wouldn't be trading down from the No. 13 spot; they'd be trading up from their spot in round two, where they hold the 20th (No. 52 overall) pick.
Marc Bulger currently is the starting quarterback in St. Louis, but he was signed by a prior regime. And Bulger is under contract only through 2007, at a salary of $3.95 million. If the Rams believed Bulger to be the long-term answer, wouldn't they have extended him by now?
Hey, Rams -- why not offer Bulger and the No. 13 overall pick to the Lions and move up to No. 2? Then St. Louis can get either JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn.
If they even would want them. The Rams could be one of the teams who view guys like John Beck as better than Russell or Quinn.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Weird...I wonder if they know he hates kittens.
 

CF74

Vet Min Plus
Messages
26,167
Reaction score
14,623
Nice mock and even though I'm equally intrigued by Spencer we have a bunch of De's, I see us going WR or CB in the 1st..
 

MichaelWinicki

"You want some?"
Staff member
Messages
47,997
Reaction score
27,917
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Well Hos the Goose has Beck rated as the 51st rated prospect... I don't think he's lasting until round 3.

There's still time for another mock. :)
 
Top