CFZ My Boy Vander Doesn't Get His Due Props Around Here

[atlantacowboy]

My bad. I bought my wife an LVE jersey his rookie year and she finally wore it yesterday. So, he should be good now.

 

[Hennessy_King]

You think the cowboys cut him after this year? His cap number only goes up about $1M. Even if they acquired his replacement he’s still probably cheap enough to keep as a rotational player or kick out to the weak side if Clarke doesn’t improve.

I DONT CARE ABOUT $$$ MONEY DOESNT WIN GAMES. GOOD PLAYERS DO

 

[Hennessy_King]

This. Smart player, but injuries have lessened his abilities.

Hes not smart. He attacks the wrong hole and gets fooled by misdirection all the time. How did this smart narrative come about

 

[Hardline]

If you make a list of things wrong with the Cowboys. LVE isn't one of them.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

He does play alot like dak. He had a crappie game at Arizona chasing ghosts.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Hes not smart. He attacks the wrong hole and gets fooled by misdirection all the time. How did this smart narrative come about

Doesn't have enough speed or acceleration to make up for it.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If you make a list of things wrong with the Cowboys. LVE isn't one of them.

So we good at lber?

 

[erod]

LVE is not a good LB. Please. No takers so he signed a short bridge deal. That tells you all you need.

That is ONLY because of his neck injuries. He's one hit away.

He's a good player. This is just a clueless fan base.

 

[goshan]

LVE is slow. He's smart but he just isn't fast enough to be a pro-bowl level player. Sean Lee was faster/smarter/better. We need some LB help next year even if Overshown comes back in full force. I think LVE's neck really hampered him from going to the next level as a player.

Lol of course Sean Lee was better. Without injuries Lee could have been in hall of fame. The guy was unbelievable good when he was on the field.

 

[conner01]

LVE got unnecessarily bashed last year and it's carried over to this year. He isn't the greatest but he isn't terrible either. He is solid and dependable. This is also more than likely his last season as a Cowboy.

He played well against the pats

 

[Rockport]

I read on Cowboyszone. I get on the Youtube shows. And I hear a lot of talk about how Vander Esch is the problem.

Pardon me?

Are we even watching the same game? He just happens to play in the shadow of Parsons. And if he didn't, he'd be one of our better players. He just plays a different role than I think we'd have him playing, if Parsons were otherwise not here.

Parsons is a luxury, but Vander Esch came up big today when called upon, and that's why I believe he's still here: he bought into DQs system and rides and dies by the sword of DQ. He showed it last year. He certainly wasn't the problem at San Fran. He just takes on a lot of responsibility in his role. He's also tough, and he'll be out there if he can.

Anyway, the other thing people are freaking out about is Deuce. You have to chill on that because he is going to get stuffed two times. Then bust a 20 yarder on you. Or longer. It's just how he plays. People are going to love him and hate him.

I'm glad to see Gallup still making progress. I want to see him work on his speed, week to week. Like really focus on his speed as a player. And from there, I think it could still be nothing but up for him. He'll have to get better over these next 6 weeks. And I think he will. He needs to check himself though, and get faster.

Still, it hasn't been an easy road for MG. And I don't think it will be an easy ride for Diggs either, given how important it is for CBs to cut and change speeds, accelerate, overall agility etcetera. Everyone says 1 year for an ACL. But it's more like 18 months even with the stem cell treatment. And we're getting there with Diggs, who I think will partake in the most succinct path to recovery possible.

I also want to give a shout out to my boy Doran Bland. The guy has some game and really just needed a shot, imo. I hope he keeps up the consistent, persistent work ethic. I see a future star in the making, perhaps.

Good points all!

 

[rxande45]

I read on Cowboyszone. I get on the Youtube shows. And I hear a lot of talk about how Vander Esch is the problem.

Pardon me?

Are we even watching the same game? He just happens to play in the shadow of Parsons. And if he didn't, he'd be one of our better players. He just plays a different role than I think we'd have him playing, if Parsons were otherwise not here.

Parsons is a luxury, but Vander Esch came up big today when called upon, and that's why I believe he's still here: he bought into DQs system and rides and dies by the sword of DQ. He showed it last year. He certainly wasn't the problem at San Fran. He just takes on a lot of responsibility in his role. He's also tough, and he'll be out there if he can.

Anyway, the other thing people are freaking out about is Deuce. You have to chill on that because he is going to get stuffed two times. Then bust a 20 yarder on you. Or longer. It's just how he plays. People are going to love him and hate him.

I'm glad to see Gallup still making progress. I want to see him work on his speed, week to week. Like really focus on his speed as a player. And from there, I think it could still be nothing but up for him. He'll have to get better over these next 6 weeks. And I think he will. He needs to check himself though, and get faster.

Still, it hasn't been an easy road for MG. And I don't think it will be an easy ride for Diggs either, given how important it is for CBs to cut and change speeds, accelerate, overall agility etcetera. Everyone says 1 year for an ACL. But it's more like 18 months even with the stem cell treatment. And we're getting there with Diggs, who I think will partake in the most succinct path to recovery possible.

I also want to give a shout out to my boy Doran Bland. The guy has some game and really just needed a shot, imo. I hope he keeps up the consistent, persistent work ethic. I see a future star in the making, perhaps.

Vander Esch is garbage and will get exposed again in run defense against the 49ers.

 

[Hardline]

So we good at lber?

We are with LVE.

 

[Jarntt]

LVE tied for 123rd in tackles. Down from 70th last year and 98th the year before

 

[Captain-Crash]

He is what he is. As has been said he's easily fooled and fills the wrong gaps. Nothing to brag about. shrugs.

 

[baltcowboy]

I read on Cowboyszone. I get on the Youtube shows. And I hear a lot of talk about how Vander Esch is the problem.

Pardon me?

Are we even watching the same game? He just happens to play in the shadow of Parsons. And if he didn't, he'd be one of our better players. He just plays a different role than I think we'd have him playing, if Parsons were otherwise not here.

Parsons is a luxury, but Vander Esch came up big today when called upon, and that's why I believe he's still here: he bought into DQs system and rides and dies by the sword of DQ. He showed it last year. He certainly wasn't the problem at San Fran. He just takes on a lot of responsibility in his role. He's also tough, and he'll be out there if he can.

Anyway, the other thing people are freaking out about is Deuce. You have to chill on that because he is going to get stuffed two times. Then bust a 20 yarder on you. Or longer. It's just how he plays. People are going to love him and hate him.

I'm glad to see Gallup still making progress. I want to see him work on his speed, week to week. Like really focus on his speed as a player. And from there, I think it could still be nothing but up for him. He'll have to get better over these next 6 weeks. And I think he will. He needs to check himself though, and get faster.

Still, it hasn't been an easy road for MG. And I don't think it will be an easy ride for Diggs either, given how important it is for CBs to cut and change speeds, accelerate, overall agility etcetera. Everyone says 1 year for an ACL. But it's more like 18 months even with the stem cell treatment. And we're getting there with Diggs, who I think will partake in the most succinct path to recovery possible.

I also want to give a shout out to my boy Doran Bland. The guy has some game and really just needed a shot, imo. I hope he keeps up the consistent, persistent work ethic. I see a future star in the making, perhaps.

LVE is the defenses whipping boy for the board with no Jaylon or Joseph around.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Doesn't have enough speed or acceleration to make up for it.

So hes not smart. Got it

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

So hes not smart. Got it

That isn't what I said. I will clear it up for you....but try to not jump for argument before you read and process it.

"He attacks the wrong hole and gets fooled by misdirection all the time.".....is the part I was referring to. I have seen him take bad angles, wrong locations.

Hence:

"Doesn't have enough speed or acceleration to make up for it.".

Most younger healthier LBers (or other positions too) can make up or mask it with speed and quickness. Of course that is assuming that is true. It was just an observation, maybe it was one bad game or not even true at all. That's fine. You don't have to be condescending about it.

Regarding his IQ.....not sure. Don't know. I believe he has good football smarts...but injury and age has taken a toll.

I hope that clears it up for you.

 

[KJJ]

LVE only gets props when he makes a great play. Last week a fan called him the worst player on the team as they were living in the moment. Lol Fans live from week to week with players.

 

[Redline360]

To me he's to inconsistent. Some weeks he's baaaad where he shouldn't even be on the field and often fills the wrong gaps

Still think he's above average though nothing more