CFZ My Boy Vander Doesn't Get His Due Props Around Here

[Proof]

you just say things to say them man

 

[Pass2Run]

Today was one of his better games...

the way he hit the hole to stop runs was a thing of beauty

but heres why he doesnt get his props....hes more of an old school early 90s type of linebacker...

The ones that make the right reads and are always around the ball hes not the flashy 4.3 prototyple lb that can also cover tight ends as well as rush the passer

Yeah, but it's not like those old 90 style linebackers are obsolete nowadays. They're still relevant.

That prototype still fits in well in this league in certain roles, especially if the player is good.

 

[Pass2Run]

Actually he has another season left on his deal and he's so affordable, the only way he's not around is if he's hurt.

I kind of agree. Mostly, because his role is complex, but on a fundamental level. So, as long as you have a high IQ player, and keep the schemes relatively simplistic to their capacity, you're going to be fine, especially if you have an athlete with those kinds of instincts. It could extend Vander's career, too. He just doesn't get respect, not nearly the credit he deserves, in my opinion, of course.

If I were him, I'd focus on those endorsement deals while you can. He's an easy sell as far as that goes too. Nothing wrong with these midwestern fellas we have on the team. lol

Speaking of Midwestern. How about the Jake Ferguson fella? He's also playing well. You want the players with all the blingy, and I'm just looking for solid team players who plays with minimal mistakes and can help you win.

 

[stiletto]

LVE is slow. He's smart but he just isn't fast enough to be a pro-bowl level player. Sean Lee was faster/smarter/better. We need some LB help next year even if Overshown comes back in full force. I think LVE's neck really hampered him from going to the next level as a player.

 

[Whyjerry]

He's not terrible. Since the end of 2021 he's been one of the highest graded linebackers in football in Quinn's scheme.

Not every player can be Micah Parsons. LVE is not a big play defender but he's the quarterback of this defense. Micah himself says so.

LVE is not a good LB. Please. No takers so he signed a short bridge deal. That tells you all you need.

 

[Hennessy_King]

LVE got unnecessarily bashed last year and it's carried over to this year. He isn't the greatest but he isn't terrible either. He is solid and dependable. This is also more than likely his last season as a Cowboy.

This is more than likely his last year in the league. No1 will sign him. Hes a bad player.

Just watch how he looks against the 49ers with all the misdirection they use

 

[thunderpimp91]

This is more than likely his last year in the league. No1 will sign him. Hes a bad player.

Just watch how he looks against the 49ers with all the misdirection they use

You think the cowboys cut him after this year? His cap number only goes up about $1M. Even if they acquired his replacement he’s still probably cheap enough to keep as a rotational player or kick out to the weak side if Clarke doesn’t improve.

 

[Dorsett33]

As far as Deuce he hasn't gotten good blocking thus far but has made the best of his agility to gain any yardage into the middle of the dline

Honestly... Deuce shouldn't be playing. Many of you got heart eyes from one game against 3rd stringers. To me, we should have kept Davis. He's a better RB.

 

[Blast From The Past]

Honestly... Deuce shouldn't be playing. Many of you got heart eyes from one game against 3rd stringers. To me, we should have kept Davis. He's a better RB.

That's a fair statement but still don't think he has been used right as of yet. Willing to give it time.

 

[Chasing6]

I read on Cowboyszone. I get on the Youtube shows. And I hear a lot of talk about how Vander Esch is the problem.

Pardon me?

Are we even watching the same game? He just happens to play in the shadow of Parsons. And if he didn't, he'd be one of our better players. He just plays a different role than I think we'd have him playing, if Parsons were otherwise not here.

Parsons is a luxury, but Vander Esch came up big today when called upon, and that's why I believe he's still here: he bought into DQs system and rides and dies by the sword of DQ. He showed it last year. He certainly wasn't the problem at San Fran. He just takes on a lot of responsibility in his role. He's also tough, and he'll be out there if he can.

Anyway, the other thing people are freaking out about is Deuce. You have to chill on that because he is going to get stuffed two times. Then bust a 20 yarder on you. Or longer. It's just how he plays. People are going to love him and hate him.

I'm glad to see Gallup still making progress. I want to see him work on his speed, week to week. Like really focus on his speed as a player. And from there, I think it could still be nothing but up for him. He'll have to get better over these next 6 weeks. And I think he will. He needs to check himself though, and get faster.

Still, it hasn't been an easy road for MG. And I don't think it will be an easy ride for Diggs either, given how important it is for CBs to cut and change speeds, accelerate, overall agility etcetera. Everyone says 1 year for an ACL. But it's more like 18 months even with the stem cell treatment. And we're getting there with Diggs, who I think will partake in the most succinct path to recovery possible.

I also want to give a shout out to my boy Doran Bland. The guy has some game and really just needed a shot, imo. I hope he keeps up the consistent, persistent work ethic. I see a future star in the making, perhaps.

LVE will be gone after this season. If your average tackle is 5+ yards down the field I don't care how many tackles you have.

 

[Captain43Crash]

I like LVE but he's slow and it really shows when he plays against teams with speed.

That's why he looks good some weeks and then we play a fast team like the Cardinals and he seems a few steps behind on plays.

It is not his speed or agility. Sometimes he takes false step( moves the wrong direction) and the offensive player has an easier angle to block him. Also, LVE reacts when the play is happening. He does not anticipate what is going to happen by reading the formation. Sean Lee was not, as quick or fast, as LVE, but he got to the hole quicker because of his anticipation and ability to read the formation.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I read on Cowboyszone. I get on the Youtube shows. And I hear a lot of talk about how Vander Esch is the problem.

Pardon me?

Are we even watching the same game? He just happens to play in the shadow of Parsons. And if he didn't, he'd be one of our better players. He just plays a different role than I think we'd have him playing, if Parsons were otherwise not here.

Parsons is a luxury, but Vander Esch came up big today when called upon, and that's why I believe he's still here: he bought into DQs system and rides and dies by the sword of DQ. He showed it last year. He certainly wasn't the problem at San Fran. He just takes on a lot of responsibility in his role. He's also tough, and he'll be out there if he can.

I've been an LVE supporter for years, but this year hasn't been good for him so far. Maybe the TD with turn it around.

Yeah, it's nice to pick up a ball and run with it. But that play was made by Fowler causing the fumble, not LVE picking it up.

Last week, 220+ rushing yards given up. I noticed today he was tackling high and riding guys to the ground. Not what you want from your biggest true LB. Hit guys and stop them.

 

[Tabascocat]

Lets revisit this in a month. He plays decently against lesser, slower offenses. He is a liability against the top third of the league, especially quick offenses. He plays hard, I’ll give him that but this team needs new linebackers next offseason.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yep, Rudy did okay, there is nothing to brag about.

 

[Zman5]

LVE is just an average LB at this point in his career. In his rookie year, he played violent, fast and was a sure tackler. Once he got his hands on you, you went down. That's not the case anymore. He is too slow and isn't as physical after his injuries.

 

[Sarge]

LVE is a beast, its a shame he doesnt get his due credit .

I guess you have a different idear as to what a “beast” is….

 

[CowboyoWales]

LVE got unnecessarily bashed last year and it's carried over to this year. He isn't the greatest but he isn't terrible either. He is solid and dependable. This is also more than likely his last season as a Cowboy.

He's solid(ish) against the run, when its between the hashes (eg NE) and even then he does tend to get caught choosing a gap rather than reading the run. Where we struggle is the run defense to the edges, which then highlights his limited mobility.

Against teams with a more varied run game, teams who play RPO and mobile QB's who run, id seriously consider moving Micah to MLB (for 1st / 2nd Downs).

 

[phildadon86]

Any fan with a memory knows that the Cowboys defense tanked last year the moment LVE went out to injury. They are better with him out there, no question.

Lol. Any cowboys fan with a memory knows that Hankins was out and that’s when the run D went south. Nothing to do with LVE. Like at all.

 

[Smith22]

LVE is just an average LB at this point in his career. In his rookie year, he played violent, fast and was a sure tackler. Once he got his hands on you, you went down. That's not the case anymore. He is too slow and isn't as physical after his injuries.

This. Smart player, but injuries have lessened his abilities.

 

[Cmac]

Lol. Worst player on the team. That was Fowler making a great play and LVE had an easy play to make. Even he couldn’t screw that up. Aside from that play he has been awful. His game last week was pathetic.

....I guess we need to see his performance against a run-heavy 49er team. Now that will be telling.