My cap situation breakdown

Come on, guys. Carr is in the last year of his deal. He isn't going to give away his own money to stay here for one more year when he could pick up a healthy signing bonus from another team desperate for a man CB. He'll either stay here at full price or he'll be cut -- same as last year, because the team didn't have any leverage then, either.
 
Bringing Carr and Claiborne back sends the message that mediocrity is rewarded here. Move on.

As far as cap room, the Cowboys should have plenty of room to add the 3 or 4 defensive starters they would need to add and possibly some help (RB or WR) on offense. I fear that instead they will sign the 2016 versions of Mackenzy Bernadeau and Andrew Gachkar.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
He's a serviceable corner. No one in the secondary was getting picks out of the scheme. He wasn't getting picked on this year like he was two years ago.

He gives up stuff underneath but our nickel corner and SAM have been awful too which contributes to that. He doesn't miss games, will play physical, and has a workmanlike attitude for all he is getting paid.

I want him making less not gone. Of course bring in new talent anyway. Even with Scandrick back we need more corners. Cutting him saves $5m as does getting him to take a paycut. Keep the corner.
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Too many excuses, he needs to go.

He has had 4 years and 41m reasons to shine here but has DONE nothing but show up.

Absolutely no reason to pay top dollar for a generic CB, even 1/2 is an over-pay.
 
bkight13 said:
Too many excuses, he needs to go.

He has had 4 years and 41m reasons to shine here but has DONE nothing but show up.

Absolutely no reason to pay top dollar for a generic CB, even 1/2 is an over-pay.
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More like too much of an oversimplified stat analysis. He is not as bad as you make him seem and we need corners.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
More like too much of an oversimplified stat analysis. He is not as bad as you make him seem and we need corners.
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Why do we need corners so desperately to go back to Carr?

We have BJones, OScan, TMitchell and Olatoye.
Our scheme is such anyone can play off and not get beat deep.

We can save 9m on Carr and sign a 3-4m zone CB and Draft one by the 4th round. Problem solved.

AND NO, I don't think BJones is the answer at FS. I want to pay Weddle for a couple years.
 
bkight13 said:
Why do we need corners so desperately to go back to Carr?

We have BJones, OScan, TMitchell and Olatoye.
Our scheme is such anyone can play off and not get beat deep.

We can save 9m on Carr and sign a 3-4m zone CB and Draft one by the 4th round. Problem solved.

AND NO, I don't think BJones is the answer at FS. I want to pay Weddle for a couple years.
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What we want is immaterial. Reports are that Jones is staying at S where he finished the year.

Name the corner better than Carr you think would sign for $4m. I was thinking Jenkins who is likely to cost twice that much. I want good players not projects and bargain bins like we had last year. $3m gets you another Corey White.
 
Its time to move on from Carr even if he would take a paycut. Marinelli was being forced to run his defense different than what he believes in. Carr is not a fit for the zone scheme he wants to run. Get him a good zone corner in FA, sign a good depth CB in FA and draft one to develop. Zone CBs are easier to find than good Man CBs and if they are sticking with Marinelli, give him the players he needs to run the scheme he believes in.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
What we want is immaterial. Reports are that Jones is staying at S where he finished the year.

Name the corner better than Carr you think would sign for $4m. I was thinking Jenkins who is likely to cost twice that much. I want good players not projects and bargain bins like we had last year. $3m gets you another Corey White.
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Literally anyone. Carr is useless.

I will take the savings and sign Weddle,
 
bkight13 said:
Literally anyone. Carr is useless.

I will take the savings and sign Weddle,
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More hyperbole. I'm not going to blow smoke and say he was great but he is reliable and did a good job containing big plays. Most corners give up stuff underneath and over the middle. He is simply average and being paid at the top of the position. Fix the irregularity.

I would rather keep him at a discount over bringing back glass Mo who I despair of ever having the brain to play NFL corner.
 
bkight13 said:
So you are saying you would sign him to a 1yr/9.1m deal right now. That is crazy.
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You know very well that I said I want him to take a pay cut. Mike and I have been on that bandwagon for two years at this point. It's what started this entire discussion.

No one I see is saying he should stay at that price but I would rather negotiate a better deal nonetheless. Worked out with Doug Free. I would like to see it work out the same with Carr. We can still draft and sign more corners. Likely need to. Another S/CB type would be ideal.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
You know very well that I said I want him to take a pay cut. Mike and I have been on that bandwagon for two years at this point. It's what started this entire discussion.

No one I see is saying he should stay at that price but I would rather negotiate a better deal nonetheless. Worked out with Doug Free. I would like to see it work out the same with Carr. We can still draft and sign more corners. Likely need to. Another S/CB type would be ideal.
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Don't be a Settler

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Hoofbite said:
In what way?
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Because Dallas gave him alot of room in terms of base salary to SB. Its been discussed by people who have spoken with the team. there was actually a article on it last week posted in here. Search it if you want to know the details
 
LatinMind said:
Because Dallas gave him alot of room in terms of base salary to SB. Its been discussed by people who have spoken with the team. there was actually a article on it last week posted in here. Search it if you want to know the details
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Plus 40% of his 10m signing bonus will be already accounted for after this year. That leaves plenty of future space for a planned restructure or 2. When the base salary is already guaranteed like the 6.5m for 2016 is, it is a no-brainer.

Dez on the other hand already has 32m in dead money, so they will only re-do him if they need to sign someone big.
 
bkight13 said:
Plus 40% of his 10m signing bonus will be already accounted for after this year. That leaves plenty of future space for a planned restructure or 2. When the base salary is already guaranteed like the 6.5m for 2016 is, it is a no-brainer.

Dez on the other hand already has 32m in dead money, so they will only re-do him if they need to sign someone big.
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exactly Just by looking at the deal i thought it would be very apparent to people
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
More hyperbole. I'm not going to blow smoke and say he was great but he is reliable and did a good job containing big plays. Most corners give up stuff underneath and over the middle. He is simply average and being paid at the top of the position. Fix the irregularity.

I would rather keep him at a discount over bringing back glass Mo who I despair of ever having the brain to play NFL corner.
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One of the most sensible posts I've read on our CB situation.

Carr isn't great. He isn't worth his contract. But what else is there? I can't see the logic in cutting him. If we do, all we are relying on is Olatoye, Mitchell, and Scandrick (coming of an ACL).

I read where people have said, "well, we can sign Jenkins, Johnson, any CB".

Really? I guess no other NFL team will be bidding on CBs. It'll be easy right?

No? What happens if we can't sign one? Then we are forced to take one early, forsaking The ability to take the best player available.

The best solution is to keep Carr. Then, we aren't forced into anything. Now, if we had at least one other solid CB under contract, the I could see us cutting him.
 
Bizwah said:
The best solution is to keep Carr. Then, we aren't forced into anything. Now, if we had at least one other solid CB under contract, the I could see us cutting him.
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I agree, and I think Carr would do well as the 3rd CB instead of the #1 CB. It will be tricky to bring him back though, there is absolutely no chance of him coming back on his current contract for 9MM. But to make the cap charge a win for the Cowboys, his contract needs to be around 3MM. That isn't going to happen either because he can make a lot more money elsewhere.

I want him back and given the lack of quality CBs in the league, I think the team will work out some kind of multiyear contract that has a small cap hit for the coming year and stretches out the dead money will own no matter what. Dallas also has leverage because they can wait till late in the offseason to cut him when most starting jobs have been filled by draft picks and early free agents.

I can definitely see some restructured worked out to bring him back - but its just as likely the numbers won't work out and he is cut outright.
 
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