My crazy Conspiracy Theory on Murray and the Eagles

[Stash]

Excellent question. It's possible Dez would still be holding out and Crawford playing without a new deal.

Those deals have already happened, and Dallas is still nearly $8 million under the cap. If Murray was kept, McFadden and his $1 million cost wouldn't be in the books either. So the Cowboys could have paid $6 million to Murray and would have still been about $3 million under the cap.

 

[Future]

If that was the case, Jeremy Parnell would have made a lot more sense. The Eagles OL is garbage and he'd know the callas as well as Murray...

 

[ShiningStar]

This about this: He seems to be getting rid of high priced players, because his success is the scheme not the players. So, he can plug and play. So, maybe he can afford to pay a little to get a tad of info?

whats the info that others cant see? After all these years the Giants still can t cover Witten? Romo is a qb? Have the cowboys devised a new way to score a td? Do our rbs go backwards? What is it film cant see? Do we wear magical gloves like the raiders? The RG quarter backs the team?

 

[CashMan]

whats the info that others cant see? After all these years the Giants still can t cover Witten? Romo is a qb? Have the cowboys devised a new way to score a td? Do our rbs go backwards? What is it film cant see? Do we wear magical gloves like the raiders? The RG quarter backs the team?

I am not Chip Kelly, who thinks he can re-invent the wheel.

 

[lostar2009]

They did it to get at us, plus they needed a rb. Will this be payback from T.O.?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think Dallas was skeptical of Murray's long term future with the team.

They hired a statistical expert a few years ago and I'm certain that he showed that the success of running backs with more than 380 carries in the previous season isn't good (that fact can be debated, but I think it's safe to say that it's not a positive forecast.

I really question if Murray fits the Eagles' offensive scheme as well. He's more of a RB that lines up 7 yards from the LoS, takes a handoff at full steam instead of getting the handoff out of the shotgun. To me, he looked slow against the Falcons and I think the scheme was a problem. I'm pretty sure he ran out of the shotgun at Oklahoma and the Eagles needed a tailback since they got rid of McCoy and they were likely looking for a good short yardage back. I think the Cowboys didn't want to offer Murray much and questioned if he fit in the Eagles scheme and were satisfied that with what the Eagles are paying him, it could very well backfire on the Eagles and not the Cowboys.




YR

 

[iceberg]

I think that part of the reason Philly offered him as much as he did is because they may have wanted some inside info on the Cowboys as far as how our offense works and maybe even our defense. I say this because the Skins signed one of our guys a couple years ago mid-season, only to release him after the season was over (or it may have been after the Cowboys game, not sure which) and I am certain that was the only reason the Skins signed him.

I know I know, I'm crazy for even suggesting it! But you can;t sit there and tell me that the Eagles this week haven't sat there and asked Murray "So, what does it mean when Romo says 'Tacoma'?" or whatever. Ryan Matthews and Sproles are more built for Kelly's offense than Murray is. Kelly needs quick, agile backs that can receive (I know Murray can catch, not saying he can't) and make a guy miss. Murray belongs in a pro style offense that runs down hill where he can be a bruiser. It didn't make sense to me when Murray signed in Philly, and still doesn't, especially after he has 9 yards total last week.

i'm sure they did ask him. but i'm also sure they didn't spend $8mil a year for that info.

 

[mahoneybill]

I doubt Murray knows anything more about the Cowboys than the Eagle scouts already there know. Those scouts watch so much video.

I don't think Murray knows squat about the Cowboys' defensive plans for the game. Now, he did practice against them a lot. But, that works both ways. The Cowboys' defense knows just as much, if not more, on Murray's tendencies.

And even if the plan was for Murray to add insight, the Dez injury forces the Cowboys to come up with a vastly different offensive game plan.

Agree. And all it takes from either team is one blown assignment in the scheme they are running/defending and all that planning go out the window. Also throw in the fluke plays which many times determine outcomes and at best Murray may confirm what they already know.

 

[VACowboy]

Those deals have already happened, and Dallas is still nearly $8 million under the cap. If Murray was kept, McFadden and his $1 million cost wouldn't be in the books either. So the Cowboys could have paid $6 million to Murray and would have still been about $3 million under the cap.

I guess that answers that, though I think having Murray on the books for $6 mil a year would certainly had future cap ramifications. It's not like any NFL team has issues creating cap room when they wanna sign a player, though, so who knows? I think the Cowboys probably expected to have the last shot at an offer and got caught with their pants down.

 

[jrumann59]

Tacoma, or omaha, or kill or any other stupid words uttered at the line could mean anything at any point in the game.

 

[erod]

The problem with this theory is, when Murray left, the Cowboys changed their scheme accordingly.

And $8 million is a lot of money to learn what "Tacoma" means. In fact, last year, it might have been called something else.

 

[Aven8]

They could have gone cheaper and guaranteed $42 to Catch17 and he could of told them all about our offense!

 

[jrumann59]

I think Dallas was skeptical of Murray's long term future with the team.

They hired a statistical expert a few years ago and I'm certain that he showed that the success of running backs with more than 380 carries in the previous season isn't good (that fact can be debated, but I think it's safe to say that it's not a positive forecast.

I really question if Murray fits the Eagles' offensive scheme as well. He's more of a RB that lines up 7 yards from the LoS, takes a handoff at full steam instead of getting the handoff out of the shotgun. To me, he looked slow against the Falcons and I think the scheme was a problem. I'm pretty sure he ran out of the shotgun at Oklahoma and the Eagles needed a tailback since they got rid of McCoy and they were likely looking for a good short yardage back. I think the Cowboys didn't want to offer Murray much and questioned if he fit in the Eagles scheme and were satisfied that with what the Eagles are paying him, it could very well backfire on the Eagles and not the Cowboys.




YR

The thing is Dallas when it looks at the stats for workhorse backs, the first year of the contract is not the issue its the subsequent years. Also i think the FO still has the sting of MB3 contract in the back of their mind.

 

[iceberg]

Tacoma, or omaha, or kill or any other stupid words uttered at the line could mean anything at any point in the game.

the only thing OMAHA means to me is it's time to stop watching the game cause i'm so damn tired of hearing it.

 

[jrumann59]

what are the chances they use "spray tan" this week.

 

[Sydla]

I don't believe it. Kelly is too arrogant to think he needs help in taking over the league.

 

[viman96]

Yeah, this is some crazy conspiracy stuff here. They could sign a guy who went to camp with the Cowboys for nothing if they were after information, and it would be more current!

But I will say that this Murray signing has always felt like a Rickey Watters type mistake-in-the-making for me. A big-money free agent signing with sky-high expectations, doomed to failure. I don't think he can or will ever fulfill the level of expectations that his arrival and contract would require.

And I think that although no one will ever admit it, I believe that both parties already have a measure of remorse about the deal.

I remember Ricky's first game with the Eagles. He got "alligator arms" going across the middle because he did not want to get hurt. The fans let him know they were not happy. His post game interview was full of excuses why he would not stretch out to catch the ball but everyone knew he was scared and only thought of himself.

 

[jazzcat22]

There is not much that Murray can tell them, that they do not already know. If the coaches don't have enough film and info on them already to know their tendecies and how the execute plays, what certain things mean. And need to rely on an ex player to help, then maybe they need to look for other work. LOL.
Not saying it doesn't happen, but can they really get that much of an advantage.

Do you think Brinkley really helped the Giants the other night by giving inside info?

 

[jrumann59]

There is not much that Murray can tell them, that they do not already know. If the coaches don't have enough film and info on them already to know their tendecies and how the execute plays, what certain things mean. And need to rely on an ex player to help, then maybe they need to look for other work. LOL.
Not saying it doesn't happen, but can they really get that much of an advantage.

Do you think Brinkley really helped the Giants the other night by giving inside info?

If he did you would think their experience and his would say make sure witten is covered.

 

[Crown Royal]

I don't think you gain any strategic advantage by signing former Cowboys to learn their systems. The Cowboys offensive and defensive systems are extraordinarily simple. They focus on execution and individual dominance. Tactics might change game to game based on the gameplan, but any coordinator consistently fooled by the Cowboys would have to be a moron.