My Draft Rant

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Macnalty;2754215 said:
Just in case you did not notice, the other NFCbeast teams did not remain static and by face value all significantly upgraded.

I would say that the Giants SIGNIFICANLY downgraded, based on what we saw the last half of the year without Plaxico Burress. And they don't have anyone on the team right now (unless they managed to pick the next Randy Moss) that will threaten teams at WR. They not only lost Plaxico Buress, but also didn't resign Amani Toomer. Sure, their defense is good, but it was already good. The problem is that on offense they lost Plaxico Burress, Amani Toomer, and Derek Ward and didn't add ANYONE to offset that loss.

The Commanders added Albert Haynesworth, but until they figure out how to move the football with an OL that is old, 1 decent WR, and no QB. They still will be an average football team, no worries here.

The Eagles did add Jason Peters, but given how he played last year, it is questionable if that is a great move or not. And they lost their best backup to Brian Westbrook (who BTW can't stay healthy anymore) in Correll Buckhalter. And they also lost the leader of their defense in Brian Dawkins. All in all, I would say that the Eagles really stayed about the same.
 

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DFWJC;2751623 said:
The Raiders were embarrassing...especially with their second pick, Mike Mitchell. Hey, the guy may turn out to be good, but they letterally could have picked him up in the 6th or 7th round or even as a FA. Crazy!

Heyward-Bey to a much much lesser degree was a reach, so maybe they couldn't find a trading partner. For sure they could have picked up a third or maybe a 2nd to drop back and still get him.


According to Mitchell, he received a call from Chicago a few minutes earlier saying he was their pick. He was shocked when the Raiders chose him.


Raiders pulled an "Unger" on the Bears with that pick. The guy may not have the production, but his measurables plus his highlight reel are certainly interesting. They are the Raiduhs, but even they can get it right sometimes.


In any case, the draft is done and over with, I see no usefulness in continuing to rant about it. There are no perfect drafts, in any event. QB camps are coming up, lets focus on that.
 

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silverbear;2754205 said:
Actually, he did... he bought the Boys for around 150 mil or a little more, and it took just about every asset he had to do so... he's only a billionaire today because the Boys' value skyrocketed...

Do you EVER know what the bleep you're talking about??

Jerry is a business man and man money being the owner of the cowboys....not because of his savy football moves...

silverbear;2754203 said:
God almighty, but that's an intellectual argument!!!

You don't even know yet who will be on the 53 man roster, but you're ready to declare we're not gonna get rid of "the crap"...

Never mind that we already have... the Cowboys had plenty of talent to win it all last year, there simply wasn't all that much "crap" on the roster... what happened was they never came together as a TEAM... so the "crap" that needed to be flushed was those players who were making it impossible to play as a team...

PacMan, gone; Tank, gone; Terrell, gone... that was the "crap"...

Stupid is as stupid does, Gump...

Cory proctor crap. Bobby Carp carp. Ellis crap. Hamlin crap. Bowen crap. Who ever in the hell is the back up NT crap.

silverbear;2754206 said:
You're highly intelligent... not...

that's cute.

silverbear;2754208 said:
We all know that every one of your rants these days is because we actually DID get rid of the "crap", and you're pissed about it...

The "crap" of course, was the object of your unnatural lust, one Terrell Eldorado Owens... and he's been flushed...

I just wish you'd go follow him... surely the Bills boards could use your intellectual analysis of the game...

I think it was a mistake to get rid of your number 1 WR. In order to give young guys a chance when you did the same thing the year before and the young guys lack of production wound up in you traded for RW. Crap to me is players that don't produce. If you don't produce you shouldn't be on the team.

silverbear;2754212 said:
Not one of them would have started for the Cowboys this year...

Thanks for proving our point, that you're clueless...

You're right considering the cowboys already have their 22 man roster set in stone. That's sad also when you consider the reluctance of the coaching staff to bench players that are playing at a terrible level. Proctor is a prime example of this. The inability to get felix jones a carry against the Commanders is another example of the ineptitude of the coaching staff. Lets not forget brad johnson.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2751723 said:
Michael Johnson Jarron Gilbert Sherrod Martin Mike Wallace Ramses Barden Derrick Williams Deon Butler.


Johnson wouldn't have beat out Igor or Spears to start at DE so we didn't miss an immediate starter there.

Gilbert I believe was red-flagged, not sure on that one though.

Wallace, Barden, Williams and Butler were not going to come in here and beat out Roy Williams or Crayton for a starting position. Wallace might have found himself splitting some time with Hurd and Austin for the #3 and #4 WR spots but that's it.

Not a single one of those names would have started this year and probably only one would have started by next year, if we don't resign Spears.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2754817 said:
Johnson wouldn't have beat out Igor or Spears to start at DE so we didn't miss an immediate starter there.

Gilbert I believe was red-flagged, not sure on that one though.

Wallace, Barden, Williams and Butler were not going to come in here and beat out Roy Williams or Crayton for a starting position. Wallace might have found himself splitting some time with Hurd and Austin for the #3 and #4 WR spots but that's it.

Not a single one of those names would have started this year and probably only one would have started by next year, if we don't resign Spears.

I think they could have. Even if they don't start they could have seen a lot of play time. I don't think anyone would come in and beat out RW however I do think that someone could have started beside him. I don't see Crayton as more than #3. Last year he got lost in the shuffle we might have seen the best of Crayton when we went 13-3.

It seems as if Gilbert was red flagged since you're the second person who brought it up but I'm not sure why.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2754830 said:
I think they could have. Even if they don't start they could have seen a lot of play time. I don't think anyone would come in and beat out RW however I do think that someone could have started beside him. I don't see Crayton as more than #3. Last year he got lost in the shuffle we might have seen the best of Crayton when we went 13-3.

It seems as if Gilbert was red flagged since you're the second person who brought it up but I'm not sure why.

Nothing wrong with that. We're all entitled to an opinion. I'm not over joyed with the draft, by any means, but I don't think we missed so badly that there were guys sitting there that would have for sure pushed for starting jobs this year or next.

But I could be wrong. *Shrugs*
 

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L-O-Jete;2754420 said:
You really think they have been addressed?

Don't you?? Seems to me the only squeaking wheel still in Dallas is Greg Ellis, and for now at least, he seems to be behaving himself...

You can say what you want about TO, but I don't think he made the others quit.

He's not the only reason they quit, but yeah, his "me first" attitude played into it...
 

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DaBoys4Life;2754814 said:
Jerry is a business man and man money being the owner of the cowboys....not because of his savy football moves...

The Cowboys are worth what they are today because of Super Bowls 27, 28 and 30...

Jerry was the GM of the Cowboys in that stretch... therefore, the Cowboys are worth 1.5 billion at least in part because of Jerry the GM...

I think it was a mistake to get rid of your number 1 WR. In order to give young guys a chance when you did the same thing the year before and the young guys lack of production wound up in you traded for RW.

They got rid of TO because he was a corrosive influence in the locker room, period... you might recall they were not the first team to come to that conclusion...

Owens was simply not productive enough to justify the headaches he caused, so he's gone... get over it, it was absolutely the right move...
 

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silverbear;2754868 said:
The Cowboys are worth what they are today because of Super Bowls 27, 28 and 30...

Jerry was the GM of the Cowboys in that stretch... therefore, the Cowboys are worth 1.5 billion at least in part because of Jerry the GM...



They got rid of TO because he was a corrosive influence in the locker room, period... you might recall they were not the first team to come to that conclusion...

Owens was simply not productive enough to justify the headaches he caused, so he's gone... get over it, it was absolutely the right move...

He did hire Jim Johnson.

1000+ yards 10TDs and Romo missed 3 games......okay if you say so.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2754814 said:
Cory proctor crap. Bobby Carp carp. Ellis crap. Hamlin crap. Bowen crap. Who ever in the hell is the back up NT crap.

Ellis isn't crap. He did get 8 sacks last year. Is he great no, but if you think he is crap, you need to get your head checked.....

Also, Bowen isn't crap, he is a very solid backup DE. He is far from special, and not someone who we want starting, but he is definately solid.

As for the NT, there were several coaches that wanted to cut Tank Johnson during the season last year and replace him with Saivii. Wade Phillips is VERY high on Saivii.

Also Hamlin isn't crap, he wasn't great last year by any means, but he was far from crap.
 

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SMCowboy;2754880 said:
Ellis isn't crap. He did get 8 sacks last year. Is he great no, but if you think he is crap, you need to get your head checked.....

Also, Bowen isn't crap, he is a very solid backup DE. He is far from special, and not someone who we want starting, but he is definately solid.

As for the NT, there were several coaches that wanted to cut Tank Johnson during the season last year and replace him with Saivii. Wade Phillips is VERY high on Saivii.

Also Hamlin isn't crap, he wasn't great last year by any means, but he was far from crap.

Ellis is crap. He had no impact on any games. He sacks were in the 4th quarter. He only got 8 sacks and Ware had 20 on the other side....He had like 2 sacks for the first 10 games. He cries every off season.

Bowen/Hatcher isn't good enough for us not to draft a DE.

Hamlin is crap. below average tackler below average in coverage.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2754872 said:
He did hire Jim Johnson.

You were the one who said that he didn't become a billionaire by being a GM... well, as you just noted, he was the GM that hired Jimmy... he was the GM that oversaw three Super Bowl wins in four years...

And the Cowboys went from a 150 million dollar property to a 1.5 billion property... so you're wrong, Jerry DID become a billionaire by being the GM of the Dallas Cowboys...

1000+ yards 10TDs and Romo missed 3 games......okay if you say so.

Not enough to justify the negative influence he had on the younger players on the team... that's what I said, that he wasn't productive ENOUGH to justify the dissension he caused in the locker room... if he had put up twice that many yards and twice that many TDs, he still would have been a locker room cancer that had to go...

He was, and is, the antithesis of the team player... oh, he's all sweetness and light as long as things are going well, but at the first sign of adversity, it's all about him, not the team...

Other players watched that, and watched him get away with it, and figured they could too... this was a team that knew little to nothing about personal accountability...

One hopes that those players now know what's what, and will get their minds right for the 2009 season...
 

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SMCowboy;2754880 said:
Ellis isn't crap. He did get 8 sacks last year. Is he great no, but if you think he is crap, you need to get your head checked.....

Also, Bowen isn't crap, he is a very solid backup DE. He is far from special, and not someone who we want starting, but he is definately solid.

As for the NT, there were several coaches that wanted to cut Tank Johnson during the season last year and replace him with Saivii. Wade Phillips is VERY high on Saivii.

Also Hamlin isn't crap, he wasn't great last year by any means, but he was far from crap.

The only crap is found in DaBoys' posts...
 

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DaBoys4Life;2754872 said:
He did hire Jim Johnson.

1000+ yards 10TDs and Romo missed 3 games......okay if you say so.

And he only caught 69 passes last year (tied for 29th) despite being the 9th most targeted WR in the league.
 

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The Cowboys are worth what they are today because of Super Bowls 27, 28 and 30...

Jerry was the GM of the Cowboys in that stretch... therefore, the Cowboys are worth 1.5 billion at least in part because of Jerry the GM...

What has he done for us in the last 13 years as GM? Love Jerry the owner, Jerry the GM not so much. Guy will go to his grave trying to prove he is a football guy. Great business man, mediocre GM, deal with it.
 

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RS12;2754919 said:
What has he done for us in the last 13 years as GM? Love Jerry the owner, Jerry the GM not so much. Guy will go to his grave trying to prove he is a football guy. Great business man, mediocre GM, deal with it.

Your question is completely irrelevant to the argument...
 

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silverbear;2754889 said:
You were the one who said that he didn't become a billionaire by being a GM... well, as you just noted, he was the GM that hired Jimmy... he was the GM that oversaw three Super Bowl wins in four years...

And the Cowboys went from a 150 million dollar property to a 1.5 billion property... so you're wrong, Jerry DID become a billionaire by being the GM of the Dallas Cowboys...

Yeah he's the owner/gm of the cowboys. However him being a GM didn't make him the owner of the cowboys he did not ascertain his wealth through being a GM in the NFL. For you to suggest other wise is simply asinine TBH.


silverbear;2754889 said:
Not enough to justify the negative influence he had on the younger players on the team... that's what I said, that he wasn't productive ENOUGH to justify the dissension he caused in the locker room... if he had put up twice that many yards and twice that many TDs, he still would have been a locker room cancer that had to go...

He was, and is, the antithesis of the team player... oh, he's all sweetness and light as long as things are going well, but at the first sign of adversity, it's all about him, not the team...

Other players watched that, and watched him get away with it, and figured they could too... this was a team that knew little to nothing about personal accountability...

One hopes that those players now know what's what, and will get their minds right for the 2009 season...

I think TO could have a negative effect on players that possible. He also had positive effects of some of the players. He took Hurd under his wing and helped him out a lot. When he's on the field he bust his *** all the time. If you want to say oh the lack of accountability is TO faults that's another ridiculous statement especially when considering Wade says that it's all on me. Go back to hard knocks and you'll see him saying it. Then go back to RW quote saying how the cowboys WR didn't run down field in practice to block so inturn he didn't. Things like that aren't TO fault it's the result of a lacksidically coaching staff that was smelling their oats after coming off a 13-3 season and 13 pro bowlers. Their isn't any hunger in the locker room. No one on the team wanted to win more than Owens.

@ Jerry he is getting owned.
 

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What a weird draft . If I hadn't watched it and somebody had done a quick recap the following day telling me that Dallas had picked up J. Williams , R. Brewster , S. McGee , D. Smith , M. Hamlin , J. Phillips , and M. Mickens , I'd have said "COOL" . But I did watch it and said "Uhhhhh" .

It's hard being a draft junkie . You watch NCAA games all year with your little list of guys that you're interested in . You read , study , and plot off your favorite draft sites . You watch men in their underwear weighing in , jumping in sand pits , and leaping in the air to bat at a bunch of sticks at the combine . You take this vast plethora of knowledge and compile word documents , draft boards , and little lime green sticky notes . You know the draft ! You know the payers ! You know what Dallas should do !

Then comes draft day . You wait patiently for your pick to role around striking off your pet cats one by one as they fall . Not to worry...your lime green sticky notes says player X is still available . And now it's your turn ! But wait...who's that guy , what have they done , is this some sort of mistake ? You franticly scan your notes , scroll through your word file , and search your web sites . This can't be right , there must be some sort of mistake , this guy wasn't suppose to go until the 4th round . :-(

The tough part is that the NFL doesn't scout like you . They've probably never heard of NFL draft countdown , and none of your little lime green sticky notes are on their fridge . Instead they have attended the players games and spoke to thier position coaches about them . They've watched and rewound hundereds of hours of game tape looking at the players handling formations that we don't understand . They've conducted private interviews with players in a one on one chat to understand a players mentality . They've even flown across the country to watch a player run 40 yards down a track with no pads on .

In the end my little lime green sticky notes didn't match what the Cowboys did on draft day , and I was disapointed . Only Michael Hamlin's name was scratched on my notes , and I was glad to get at least one . I turned off the ESPN coverage Sunday night feeling pretty poor , and only felt worse after reading through this site .

Then Monday came and I began to sort through the mess that we had accumulated . I began to see that maybe these Cowboys scouts weren't the morons I had once suspected . I began to see a pattern of the type of draft they wanted to have . Instead of bringing in guys to strong arm their current starters out , Dallas brought in guys to compliment them . They brought in important role players that would make our nickle , dime , goal line , and special teams better . They drafted guys who had a certain niche in their game that would allow them to contribute now , even though it might not be as a "starter" .

I'm not one to grade drafts . I don't see how you can grade a bunch of guys who have yet to play on Sunday . All I can do is look at who Dallas selected , and decide if that player makes Dallas a better team , and if that player will still be on the Cowboys roster contributing in 3 years . I see 8-9 guys that I believe will make this team better in their sub packages and special teams . I don't know what I really expected out of this draft , but I don't see how I could ask for a whole lot more .
 

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DaBoys4Life;2755032 said:
Yeah he's the owner/gm of the cowboys. However him being a GM didn't make him the owner of the cowboys he did not ascertain his wealth through being a GM in the NFL. For you to suggest other wise is simply asinine TBH.


Gawd, just look at the PATHETIC semantic tapdancing you're doing... you were the one who said:

he didn't become a billionaire by being a GM.

YOUR WORDS, hoss...

Jerry was worth right at 150 million when he bought the Cowboys... Jerry became the GM of the Cowboys...

Today, the Cowboys, as a direct result of his efforts while GM, are worth over a billion dollars... therefore, Jerry DID become a billionaire by being the GM (and owner) of the Dallas Cowboys... he was not one before taking on that job, and it was his efforts as GM that helped make the team he owned worth what it is today...


I think TO could have a negative effect on players that possible. He also had positive effects of some of the players. He took Hurd under his wing and helped him out a lot. When he's on the field he bust his *** all the time.

And when things are going bad, he kicks up a stink about how the team's not going to him enough, leading the quarterback to make an effort to force the ball to him... that's part of his problem, he more or less forces teams to get away from their overall philosophy in order to keep him from being a major PITA...

If you want to say oh the lack of accountability is TO faults that's another ridiculous statement especially when considering Wade says that it's all on me. Go back to hard knocks and you'll see him saying it.

Never said it was all on him, it's not... but he has to shoulder a big portion of the blame for that one...
 
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