My final thoughts on the Taylor situation

[TheCount]

I've never assaulted anyone on or off the field. I've never pointed a loaded gun at someone either. Pedestal my a@%#%#, I'm like most of the people living in this country. I have respect for the law and my neighbor. Yes, we get angry too but we have enough sense not to point a loaded gun at someone's head. If that is putting me on a pedestal so be it. Karma goes both ways. It rewards those who show respect to others too. The only thing that is amazing is how this sentimental nonsense has clouded your intelligence. I hate how people in this country avoid taking responsibility for their actions or holding others responsible for their actions. He was 24 years old; sorry but that's not a kid!

Wow, could you come off as any more of a moron?

Taylor paid for his crimes through the justice system, the way everyone is supposed to. You think death, on top of that, was what he deserved?

If you feel everyone is being too nice to the guy, then shut up and look the other way, what does it cost you to read people say a few nice things about the guy?

You come in here with your chest all puffed up with self-importance like someone personally insulted you, get over yourself.

 

[HighTechDave]

everyone,,, let it go please. lets talk some melting cheese and fresh popcorn for Thursday.

 

[bbgun]

Well, Wilbon's column today was pretty harsh--and this was in the kid's hometown paper. He didn't wait for any "grace period" to expire before bluntly resurrecting Taylor's recent past and wondering whether or not it may have played a part in his demise. So is this "insensitivity" or just plain old journalism?

 

[skinzfan26]

Well, Wilbon's column today was pretty harsh--and this was in the kid's hometown paper. He didn't wait for any "grace period" to expire before bluntly resurrecting Taylor's recent past and wondering whether or not it may have played a part in his demise. So is this "insensitivity" or just plain old journalism?

actually, if you heard mike on the radio today, he was not taking shots at taylor at all. He was referring more to the black community as a whole. Additionally, he said that even when people try and change and get away, sometimes their past (friends, ect) aren't willing to allow that to happen.


direct quote from the article


" Taylor, no matter what he might have been involved in at one time, was a victim in this violent episode, a man in his bedroom minding his own business."

 

[bbgun]

actually, if you heard mike on the radio today, he was not taking shots at taylor at all. He was referring more to the black community as a whole. Additionally, he said that even when people try and change and get away, sometimes their past (friends, ect) aren't willing to allow that to happen.


direct quote from the article


" Taylor, no matter what he might have been involved in at one time, was a victim in this violent episode, a man in his bedroom minding his own business."

He covered a lot of bases, injecting race along the way. The point is that he brought up things that have been discouraged here in the last 24 hours. He no doubt feels terrible for Sean and his family, but that's not gonna stop him from asking questions or doing his job.

 

[skinzfan26]

He covered a lot of bases, injecting race along the way. The point is that he brought up things that have been discouraged here in the last 24 hours. He no doubt feels terrible for Sean and his family, but that's not gonna stop him from asking questions or doing his job.

oh don't get me wrong. I think the article was great. I was mainly responding to a post that someone said he was blasting taylor and he simply wasn't. Furthermore, I wanted to share what he said on the radio about the issues extending beyond football and sports and that he made it clear that the article was in no means taking shots at 21. that's all

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Wow, could you come off as any more of a moron?

Taylor paid for his crimes through the justice system, the way everyone is supposed to. You think death, on top of that, was what he deserved?

If you feel everyone is being too nice to the guy, then shut up and look the other way, what does it cost you to read people say a few nice things about the guy?

You come in here with your chest all puffed up with self-importance like someone personally insulted you, get over yourself.

I never said he deserved death but his actions may have led to his death. Learn to distinguish between the two. I don't have a problem with people saying nice things about him as long as it is accurate. Yes, he was trying to change his life but he was also involved in many bad things and we don't know if he truly did all he could to avoid the situation like moving or hiring bodyguards. We also can't say he completely changed. He was probably more mature with the birth of his daughter but why does it have to be one of two extremes? Couldn't he have matured more but still have been immature about certain issues like overvaluing his pride and failing to respond to the the threats when he should have swallowed his pride and moved his family out of Miami after the first incident? I do have a problem with morons like yourself who are also in denial about the fact his past actions may have led to his death. This incident should a warning and a lesson from which others can learn from. Instead, I see it as being nothing but a cheap sentimental moment for simple minded people like yourself to get off on temporarily

 

[Rampage]

Wow, could you come off as any more of a moron?

Taylor paid for his crimes through the justice system, the way everyone is supposed to. You think death, on top of that, was what he deserved?

If you feel everyone is being too nice to the guy, then shut up and look the other way, what does it cost you to read people say a few nice things about the guy?

You come in here with your chest all puffed up with self-importance like someone personally insulted you, get over yourself.

probation sure is tough:laugh2:

 

[silverbear]

Well, Wilbon's column today was pretty harsh--and this was in the kid's hometown paper. He didn't wait for any "grace period" to expire before bluntly resurrecting Taylor's recent past and wondering whether or not it may have played a part in his demise. So is this "insensitivity" or just plain old journalism?

I can confess that through all the Sean Taylor tributes, I kept reading about what a "changed man" he was... but then I read that the Skins didn't even know he'd gone back down to Miami last week... that doesn't sound like a changed man to me, indeed it sounds like a self-indulgent child, who apparently didn't recognize that the Skins paying him millions of dollars a year had a right to know where he was at any given time...

So now I'm telling myself that he was trying to change, but his maturation was an ongoing process... but it is a bit galling, hearing all this deification of a guy who had more than his fair share of problems, and whose problems may well have played a part in his death... let's feel bad for the guy, and especially for his family, but let's not ignore that things he did in his past may well have been the proximate cause of his untimely death...

I just hope that before this is all over, we know who, and we know why... and naturally, I hope the "who" gets the book thrown at him...

I really don't mean to speak ill of the dead, but do we do Taylor any service by glossing over the events of his life??

 

[silverbear]

He covered a lot of bases, injecting race along the way. The point is that he brought up things that have been discouraged here in the last 24 hours. He no doubt feels terrible for Sean and his family, but that's not gonna stop him from asking questions or doing his job.

The last 24 hours were not the time for that discussion, IMO... but maybe we're coming up on that time...

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I can confess that through all the Sean Taylor tributes, I kept reading about what a "changed man" he was... but then I read that the Skins didn't even know he'd gone back down to Miami last week... that doesn't sound like a changed man to me, indeed it sounds like a self-indulgent child, who apparently didn't recognize that the Skins paying him millions of dollars a year had a right to know where he was at any given time...

So now I'm telling myself that he was trying to change, but his maturation was an ongoing process... but it is a bit galling, hearing all this deification of a guy who had more than his fair share of problems, and whose problems may well have played a part in his death... let's feel bad for the guy, and especially for his family, but let's not ignore that things he did in his past may well have been the proximate cause of his untimely death...

I just hope that before this is all over, we know who, and we know why... and naturally, I hope the "who" gets the book thrown at him...

I really don't mean to speak ill of the dead, but do we do Taylor any service by glossing over the events of his life??

Well said! The moral in this incident is being lost. Taylor's past events and actions may have led to his death. Instead of glossing over those incidents, we should acknowledge and use them as a reminder and valuable lesson as to the dangers of the violence associated with street cred', pride or whatever we want to call it. This type of thing has been going on for centuries. Men get angry and decide to let their anger rule their decisions instead of thinking of the bigger picture aka being mature. It takes a mature and responsible person to allow his ego to take a hit for the preservation of his life and happiness.

If my son was going into any professional or amateur sport, I would use this incident to show him why he shouldn't get involved with the wrong types of people and why he should be the bigger man and stay above that type of activity.

 

[D-TownRadio]

At the same time, I've never been so disappointed in this board...I've never seen this board so heavily moderated. Any comment that wasn't "Taylor was the super swellest guy who ever lived" was deleted on sight. A lot of legitiimate discussion was stifled. If this board wants to moderate for content, 95% of the threads would be stopped in their tracks.

You are 100% correct! The funny thing about all the people who are saying how great he is. A few weeks ago when Skin fans came over saying if they lose it's because of Taylor were the ones saying that he wasn't that good anyway... I don't realy care how people feel about him I just think you shouldn't act all sad when a person is gone if you didn't care when they were here. I think it is sad what happened and all. I feel very deeply for his daughter. But I also feel that he is stupid for putting himself in that position.

As far as this site goes I think they are trying to hard to make other fans like us when truth be told we could care less. This was a sad thing and I am sorry for the Skins fans loss but I didn't hear any crying when Aikman's career went or Irvin either. I understand people being upset and all because death will make you think about your own mortality but for everyone to act as though they thought of him as a great football player and to say they loved watching him play? Well if you can't see through that bull then you must be blind.

Skins fans I am very sorry for your loss and as well as Taylors family. I hope the money he made will set his little girl up for a good life. As far as his play goes he was okay. And as far as his personality goes he needed alot of work and it is ashame he didn't realize what was realy important in life before it was to late. Who knows what kinda person he would have become. Who knows what kinda father he coulda been. But even though I don't agree with the life he chose I still wish him peace.

 

[D-TownRadio]

So you know that he was bad enough for karma to come back and cause his demise? Let's just hope karma never catches up to you...you know up on that pedestal and all...

He was changing his life. Having a child can have that effect on a person. Not to mention, he was still just a kid. Not everybody has matured in their early 20's.

Amazing that people want to take shots a person like this.

You are absolutly right it can have that effect but does it realy look like it had an effect? Big tough guy can waltz in with his baby after recieving a thret. Come on he was proving he wasn't soft...

 

[D-TownRadio]

Wow, could you come off as any more of a moron?

Taylor paid for his crimes through the justice system, the way everyone is supposed to. You think death, on top of that, was what he deserved?

If you feel everyone is being too nice to the guy, then shut up and look the other way, what does it cost you to read people say a few nice things about the guy?

You come in here with your chest all puffed up with self-importance like someone personally insulted you, get over yourself.

Give me a break. So if this guy that did it goes away to jail and gets out on good behavior in say 19 years is all forgiven by taylors friends and family? Thank you who sounds like a moron?

 

[burmafrd]

You can change yourself - but you cannot change your PAST. And it was more then likely that it was his PAST that caused his death. THAT should be the lesson learned here: DON'T get involved with thugs EVER.
Now if you grow up in a bad neighborhood then maybe knowing them and finding ways to get by is one thing- BUT TAYLOR WAS NOT POOR GROWING UP OR IN A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD. Remember his father is a cop. What he got involved with, who he got involved with, were ALL his CHOICES.
Choice is not just a buzz word for abortion- its about what you CHOOSE to do with your life, and how you CHOOSE to do it. And those CHOICES will remain with you ALL your life. Good and Bad, past, present and future.

 

[PBJTime]

I've never assaulted anyone on or off the field. I've never pointed a loaded gun at someone either. Pedestal my a@%#%#, I'm like most of the people living in this country. I have respect for the law and my neighbor. Yes, we get angry too but we have enough sense not to point a loaded gun at someone's head. If that is putting me on a pedestal so be it. Karma goes both ways. It rewards those who show respect to others too. The only thing that is amazing is how this sentimental nonsense has clouded your intelligence. I hate how people in this country avoid taking responsibility for their actions or holding others responsible for their actions. He was 24 years old; sorry but that's not a kid!

So, you have done no wrong in your life? You've never made mistakes?

I don't think there are too many people saying he was a saint, but he was maturing, just as any human being has to do. All people are different and mature at different rates. Some people more easily succumb to peer pressure.

In any case, I guess you should be happy. He can't do any more wrong. You're free to sit here and bash him after his death. You can sit here and point fingers mere days after his demise, showing insensitivity for the people that are still at a loss. It doesn't necessarily have to be about Taylor at this point in time.

On a related note, they are saying they think it was random. That would really put a wrench in your theory.

And, sorry to say, but 24 years old is still a kid.

 

[PBJTime]

You are absolutly right it can have that effect but does it realy look like it had an effect? Big tough guy can waltz in with his baby after recieving a thret. Come on he was proving he wasn't soft...

So, if you got threatened at your residence, you would just leave? At what point do you stop letting other people control where you live?

 

[sacase]

Someo fo you just amaze me. None of us know him so its impossible for us to judge his character. We know he made some mistakes, but really, let's put them into perspective.

First, he skipped the rookie symposium....big deal, he was being evicted and had to take care of that. He got fined, that's the end of it. He decided something was more important than the symposium. At that point he hadn't even got paid so its not like he had a lot of money at the time.

He went after some people he thought stole his ATV's. He was about 22 at the time. How many people here at 22 would have done the same thing? Guess what? A DC police officer went looking for his minibike that was stolen. Now he ended up shooting a 14 y/o boy, but even the police said there was no policy against it, so how much of a mistake was that really? Now granted he did something dumb by allegedly brining a gun and getting into a fight, but that stuff happens every day.

Finally he had the DUI. Let's be real here. He passed the field sobriety test and even the judge said that he should not have been arrested or pulled over.

So really what did he do wrong? Nothing more than any young person. What makes Taylor different than us is that his life was under a microscope. EVerything he did was looked at, reviewed, rereviewed, analyzed, reanalyzed, overanalyzed, etc. How many of you here who like to beat your chest about how "bad" bad he was, have had their life under a microscope? I bet many of you would fall under the pressure of having your every decision questioned. What is even more funny to me, is that the police say that this was a random act. However, many of you watch CSI and Law and Order and feel you know better than the people who are actually trained to do this. They have all the information, you have what has been leaked to the press. Yet you feel you know better. People who actually knew Taylor have said he changed and turned his life around. But you, who never even spoke to him, know that is just not true. What is there to gain by bashing the man who basically died defending his family? The only thing we know is he died protecting his girlfriend and daughter. That is what I judge him on, not his past mistakes. Some of you just make me sick.

 

[zrinkill]

I see there are still a few children trying to take some final shots at a dead man.

Hope it makes you feel better guys.

 

[Iago33]

I, for one, was impressed with the maturity and humanity of this site--whether they had to censor 1 message or 1,000. It's too bad people feel the need to drag anyone's name through the dirt. Does it make you feel better about yourself to write on a message board that Taylor wasn't a saint?

He made mistakes and choices he shouldn't have, but he was a human being and thus his death was a tragedy. If you had a relative who had made bad decisions, what would you think about some message-board idiot who didn't even know him trashing his reputation after his death (not to mention before his death...).

I despise PC, but when did common decency become PC?