My ideal new coaching staff

[RustyBourneHorse]

Not really.

Hiring a defensive HC is pointless. It is an offensive league. Defensive HCs don't really give you a good defense AND you run the risk of constant OC turnover and just hiring poor OCs in general.

Buffalo and LAC have wildly failed their quarterbacks, in this regard.

Sure, but I just mean hiring Ben Johnson, Saleh, and Foerester works too for me. I think that would be a good staff too.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Your spinning your wheels imo.
Whoever it is, it will be the 5th playcaller/OC who wont be able to improve this QB to a state of playoff level performance competence.

Sometimes ya gotta face the facts that not only is the GM the common denominator in all this failure but also the guy who touches every offensive snap the last 9 years.

Short version response...
It doesn't matter as long as the same QB stays.

Maybe, but I mean, gotta try something different.

 

[phildadon86]

As I stated in the previous thread, I am not sure how to fix the problems with this team. However, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. I'm fully aware that most things won't change until Jerry sells, but this is the best way I can think of for trying to start fixing this mess.

I like Mike, but it's time for a new coaching staff (except for Bones as our special teams has been our best unit). So, below, I will name my ideal coaching staff between HC, DC, and OC:

HC - Aaron Glenn. He's the Lions DC. He also played for us (while Campbell played for us) from 2005-2006. We've gone offense with Garrett and Mike. I want to try something different. I think Glenn would help bring a physicality and a focus to our biggest weaknesses on defence. I think he's shown that he's a leader of men with the way he's turned the Lions defence into what they became. I think he'd make a good HC for us.

DC - Robert Saleh. To be complimentary of Glenn, I think Saleh would make a great DC for us. He'd bring a physical defence like we've seen from him. I think Glenn and Saleh would make a great team together to get this defence to playing more physically. That should help protect Micah and the rest of them by virtue of the fact we should be able to stop the run better and should be much more physical.

OC - Chris Foerster. He's the 49ers oline coach and running game coordinator (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Foerster). With the position he coaches, he's bound to be more focused on the oline and running the ball. This would benefit Dak because we would be able to run the ball more efficiently. This leads to more points in the RedZone, and likely it would lead to more opportunities for Dak to get the ball to our receivers on play actions. On top of this, the position he has coached for a long time would lead me to think that we would be much more physical on the ground.

So, yes, I think our coaching staff next year should be Aaron Glenn at HC, Robert Saleh at DC, Foerster at OC, and Bones at ST. I think this gives us a chance to start really focusing on improving our weaknesses. By focusing on them, we can turn them into strengths. These weaknesses happen to be the very core of fundamental football. So, by fixing what's the core of fundamental football, it stands to reason that we would likely be a much better team. It would probably take a couple of years to get the pieces together, but we saw how rapidly things changed when we got Quinn at DC. I would imagine our defence would have a considerable change and improvement just from this change alone. Additionally, we would be adding in a healthy dose of physical offense to make Dak's life much easier. I think this gives us the best chance of starting to improve this team, and starting to fix where our biggest weaknesses are.

Jerry does usually listen to his coaches. So, maybe having voices that are focused on physical football in his ear can help make this team more physical. Maybe, just maybe, we can see our window start to open again in the nearer future than it is now. Hopefully

HC wish - Ben Johnson
HC reality - Lovie Smith

OC wish - anyone from the Shanahan tree unless Ben is running is own offense
Reality - Jason Garrett

DC wish - Saleh
Reality - Zimmer

 

[75boyz]

Maybe, but I mean, gotta try something different.

The 3 pieces to the NFL success triangle are GM, HC and QB.

You are saying replace the HC which I agree with.

That leaves the other 2 positions that need replacing.
The GM ain't going anywhere.
And neither is the QB for 4 more years.

If BOTH the HC and QB were replaced at least that would be 2 outta 3 and we might have a punchers chance IF both the new HC and QB happened to be good at playoff football.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

HC wish - Ben Johnson
HC reality - Lovie Smith

OC wish - anyone from the Shanahan tree unless Ben is running is own offense
Reality - Jason Garrett

DC wish - Saleh
Reality - Zimmer

Ben, Saleh, and Foerester or Glenn, Saleh, and Foerester would be amazing

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

The 3 pieces to the NFL success triangle are GM, HC and QB.

You are saying replace the HC which I agree with.

That leaves the other 2 positions that need replacing.
The GM ain't going anywhere.
And neither is the QB for 4 more years.

If BOTH the HC and QB were replaced at least that would be 2 outta 3 and we might have a punchers chance IF both the new HC and QB happened to be good at playoff football.

Oh, I know the FO isn't changing. But, maybe the coaching change can mitigate the other situation. I think Dak is decent enough. We just need to be able to run the ball better and be physical. A physical set of coaches can fix that.

 

[75boyz]

Oh, I know the FO isn't changing. But, maybe the coaching change can mitigate the other situation. I think Dak is decent enough. We just need to be able to run the ball better and be physical. A physical set of coaches can fix that.

Yeah,
I'm not of the decent enough opinion of the current QB but to each his own.

History has shown we have been able to run the ball effectively in the past and had a physical enough defense to win in SF a few years back as well.

At some point full accountability to offensive performance rests at the hands of the guy touching every snap.

It just seems the art of deflection to ALL the other parts is the common theme around here.
I did not know you were at that point but now I do.

You of all people living in Cleveland should be able to see the similarities as with what's going on with Watson and his contract.

We're there now with being stuck with Dak and his contract.

Anyways...
Cowboys!
LOL

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

Ben Johnson is right there and is the best choice available unless you can get someone like Lincoln Riley from USC. Our offense is archaniac and needs a huge change.

 

[IceStar-D7]

Since we're dreaming....Let me go back in time and get the Jimmy Johnson of the early 90's...

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Yeah,
I'm not of the decent enough opinion of the current QB but to each his own.

History has shown we have been able to run the ball effectively in the past and had a physical enough defense to win in SF a few years back as well.

At some point full accountability to offensive performance rests at the hands of the guy touching every snap.

It just seems the art of deflection to ALL the other parts is the common theme around here.
I did not know you were at that point but now I do.

You of all people living in Cleveland should be able to see the similarities as with what's going on with Watson and his contract.

We're there now with being stuck with Dak and his contract.

Anyways...
Cowboys!
LOL

I think it's unfair to compare the situations of Dak and Watson from the standpoint, at this moment, that the situations are different. Yes, the two contracts are massive. But I think, at this moment, Dak is a better QB than Watson. The difference in that situation, imo, is that Watson has a lot more talent around him than Dak does. The Browns, unlike the Cowboys, like to be a physical team. We are not that. I happen to think Dak on the Browns' roster, even with the contract, probably takes that team to the playoffs because it's a better roster overall.

Additionally, the off the field stuff is significantly different, and I think the players have more belief in Dak than they do with Watson. The problem we have on offense is that we can't run the ball, and we only really have Lamb, Ferguson, and sometimes we have Tolbert stepping up. Hence why I argued in my other thread that even Mahomes couldn't save this offense.

So, the reason I wrote my OP here is because, while we don't have a chance of changing front office because of Jerry and Stephen, maybe there's a way to adjust the scheme for Dak. I'm not saying simplify things. I'm saying change the mentality of the team. Make them more physical. Start running the ball like we have in our history.

Like you said, I know the responsibility on offense largely goes on Dak, but it's kinda hard to gauge when we can't even run the ball in the RedZone. If you can't run in the RedZone, you're going to lose. So, maybe by shifting offensive mentalities can at least improve that.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Ben Johnson is right there and is the best choice available unless you can get someone like Lincoln Riley from USC. Our offense is archaniac and needs a huge change.

I'd be all for Ben Johnson at HC too. I want either coordinator from Detroit.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Since we're dreaming....Let me go back in time and get the Jimmy Johnson of the early 90's...

Hey, I'm just trying to find something to have hope for with this franchise. To me, having either Lions coordinator as HC and the coordinators I've listed at least gives us some chance. At least there may be hope for the Cowboys. Unless it's time to ditch?

 

[75boyz]

I think it's unfair to compare the situations of Dak and Watson from the standpoint, at this moment, that the situations are different. Yes, the two contracts are massive. But I think, at this moment, Dak is a better QB than Watson. The difference in that situation, imo, is that Watson has a lot more talent around him than Dak does. The Browns, unlike the Cowboys, like to be a physical team. We are not that. I happen to think Dak on the Browns' roster, even with the contract, probably takes that team to the playoffs because it's a better roster overall.

Additionally, the off the field stuff is significantly different, and I think the players have more belief in Dak than they do with Watson. The problem we have on offense is that we can't run the ball, and we only really have Lamb, Ferguson, and sometimes we have Tolbert stepping up. Hence why I argued in my other thread that even Mahomes couldn't save this offense.

So, the reason I wrote my OP here is because, while we don't have a chance of changing front office because of Jerry and Stephen, maybe there's a way to adjust the scheme for Dak. I'm not saying simplify things. I'm saying change the mentality of the team. Make them more physical. Start running the ball like we have in our history.

Like you said, I know the responsibility on offense largely goes on Dak, but it's kinda hard to gauge when we can't even run the ball in the RedZone. If you can't run in the RedZone, you're going to lose. So, maybe by shifting offensive mentalities can at least improve that.

Fair enough.
But when the oline was much better and the defense was much better we still got the same results.
He got us nowhere with prime Zeke behind prime Tyron, Zack and FredBeard.
But it's all good.
Difference in opinion on the QB.
No worries.

Cowboys!

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Fair enough.
But when the oline was much better and the defense was much better we still got the same results.
He got us nowhere with prime Zeke behind prime Tyron, Zack and FredBeard.
But it's all good.
Difference in opinion on the QB.
No worries.

Cowboys!

Fur sure, and all I'm saying is try to give some maintenance. Put it this way, he's on a 4 year deal, right? So, why not start building the team in a more physical way? It's going to probably take at least 2 years to start getting the team on both sides of the ball more physical. So, the way I see it is that we can let Dak start for the next 2-3 years (which is what I wanted LAST deal) while we build a more physical team. Then, come year 3-4, if Dak is still bad, we can draft a QB, let the QB sit for a year or two. When the QB is ready, we'd have the QB of the future ready with a team that'd be ready to compete. It becomes a win win that way.

 

[75boyz]

Fur sure, and all I'm saying is try to give some maintenance. Put it this way, he's on a 4 year deal, right? So, why not start building the team in a more physical way? It's going to probably take at least 2 years to start getting the team on both sides of the ball more physical. So, the way I see it is that we can let Dak start for the next 2-3 years (which is what I wanted LAST deal) while we build a more physical team. Then, come year 3-4, if Dak is still bad, we can draft a QB, let the QB sit for a year or two. When the QB is ready, we'd have the QB of the future ready with a team that'd be ready to compete. It becomes a win win that way.

I like the sound of all of it but I would go ahead and draft the QB this April vice waiting 2 years and follow through with all your other suggestions here.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I like the sound of all of it but I would go ahead and draft the QB this April vice waiting 2 years and follow through with all your other suggestions here.

Okay, so here's Dak's contract (assuming we do no cap maneuvering with it) at this moment.

https://overthecap.com/player/dak-prescott/4848

Realistically, with a post 1 June cut, 2026 or 2027 look to be the best windows for letting Dak go, if that's what it comes to. I would like to make sure the next QB is in the best position possible if I was running this team. If it's going to take at least two years of struggling anyway, then I'd let the next year or two play out. It's possible we could take a QB round one in this draft and make Dak a post 1 June cut in 2026, but I think I'd rather, especially if we are going to be awful, wait until next year. More specifically, I'm eyeing up Manning.

I'd like next year for us to trade down and get an extra first in 2026. Get Jeanty in round 1. Then, in 2026, get Manning and a top olineman. Let Manning sit for a bit, and, when the time comes that year or the following year, put him in and let Dak walk with a better coaching staff in place either with Glenn or Johnson running the show.

 

[75boyz]

Yeah,
Mine is a forward thinking fantasy.
Past league precedent has been set though in similar circumstances.
Chiefs took Mahomes while still having Smith.
AZ took Murray when they had just drafted Rosen the year prior.

Philly drafted Hurts while having Wentz and then even bit the bullet on a huge cap hit to let Wentz go.
More recently the Wilson release from Denver and all the cap money hit/draft capital loss that the Broncos had to take on.
So while your black and white numbers show a logical approach I still would like a sped up time frame in getting a new QB to Dallas as soon as possible.
Not that the Dallas FO is capable of achieving the type of FO decisions I have mentioned, but it is possible.

Your logic is sound.
I just want it sooner regardless of cap problems.

 

[ak47kaehu]

Belichick or Flores for me. Both are disciplinarians and both run 3-4 DEF which I believe we need,

3-4 would definitely benefit guys like Micah and Sam Williams. But would we overhaul the defensive scheme and philosophy just for micah???

 

[Chasing6]

As I stated in the previous thread, I am not sure how to fix the problems with this team. However, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. I'm fully aware that most things won't change until Jerry sells, but this is the best way I can think of for trying to start fixing this mess.

I like Mike, but it's time for a new coaching staff (except for Bones as our special teams has been our best unit). So, below, I will name my ideal coaching staff between HC, DC, and OC:

HC - Aaron Glenn. He's the Lions DC. He also played for us (while Campbell played for us) from 2005-2006. We've gone offense with Garrett and Mike. I want to try something different. I think Glenn would help bring a physicality and a focus to our biggest weaknesses on defence. I think he's shown that he's a leader of men with the way he's turned the Lions defence into what they became. I think he'd make a good HC for us.

DC - Robert Saleh. To be complimentary of Glenn, I think Saleh would make a great DC for us. He'd bring a physical defence like we've seen from him. I think Glenn and Saleh would make a great team together to get this defence to playing more physically. That should help protect Micah and the rest of them by virtue of the fact we should be able to stop the run better and should be much more physical.

OC - Chris Foerster. He's the 49ers oline coach and running game coordinator (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Foerster). With the position he coaches, he's bound to be more focused on the oline and running the ball. This would benefit Dak because we would be able to run the ball more efficiently. This leads to more points in the RedZone, and likely it would lead to more opportunities for Dak to get the ball to our receivers on play actions. On top of this, the position he has coached for a long time would lead me to think that we would be much more physical on the ground.

So, yes, I think our coaching staff next year should be Aaron Glenn at HC, Robert Saleh at DC, Foerster at OC, and Bones at ST. I think this gives us a chance to start really focusing on improving our weaknesses. By focusing on them, we can turn them into strengths. These weaknesses happen to be the very core of fundamental football. So, by fixing what's the core of fundamental football, it stands to reason that we would likely be a much better team. It would probably take a couple of years to get the pieces together, but we saw how rapidly things changed when we got Quinn at DC. I would imagine our defence would have a considerable change and improvement just from this change alone. Additionally, we would be adding in a healthy dose of physical offense to make Dak's life much easier. I think this gives us the best chance of starting to improve this team, and starting to fix where our biggest weaknesses are.

Jerry does usually listen to his coaches. So, maybe having voices that are focused on physical football in his ear can help make this team more physical. Maybe, just maybe, we can see our window start to open again in the nearer future than it is now. Hopefully

Seriously doubt we sign a HC without an Offensive background.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Let's be honest, we have no physicality. Maybe it's time we get coaches who can bring that.

Let's be truly honest, it won't matter as long as Jerry is running the show.