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- I think Garrett will get a lot of the blame, but I actually didn't have too much of an issue with the playcalling this game. We simply had to pass the ball a little in the second half to keep the defense honest and that's what Garrett attempted. Unfortunately, the QB has to know that we need to protect the ball because the running game is working and at the very least you want to keep the defense honest. But, we simply do not have that in our QB.

We've added a QB-friendly O-Coordinator. We've spent millions on the O-Line. We've added a dynamic tailback unit consisting of Barber, Felix and Choice. We've got not one, but TWO dynamic tight ends. We then get rid of Owens because supposedly he was forcing the ball to him and that would give him room to grow. Instead, he showed that he's the same old Romo.

Put him against a team that is somewhat disciplined and not soft and if Romo doesn't have his 'A' game going the team will lose because of him. Let me make that clear, if the defense is pretty good (not great) and Romo is a little off, we will assuredly lose because of Romo. It's almost as good of a guarantee as you will find in the NFL.

I know this isn't popular, but we need to start looking for a way to replace him as soon as possible because in the NFL, you don't win playoff games if your QB cannot protect the ball. The Bears tried to disprove this in '06 and it burned them in the end. And the Bears in '06 had a ferocios defense that actually scored points for them and had an amazing special teams that scored points for them. But Grossman turned the ball over and all of that help from the defense and special teams couldn't get them a Lombardi Trophy. People talk about 'never winning a Super Bowl with Romo', well I'm hear to say that I don't see us winning a playoff game with Romo at the rate he's going.

I seriously mean this, if somehow a good QB is available in FA or via trade, I really think the team should take a good hard look at it. You have to give players chances to prove themselves in the NFL, but you also have to be very good to know when to stop giving them chances because they'll never meet the base level expectations that are set for them. We've got too much talent on this team with guys like Jay Ratliff, Kyle Kosier, Marc Colombo, Roy Williams, Jason Witten, etc who have shown a ton of heart and stepped up their games to let it be blown by a guy who simply cannot raise his level of play.

I am officially on the Get Rid of Romo (but do it in a smart way) bandwagon and a firm believer we won't win a playoff game with him until proven otherwise. Sometimes you gotta know when to throw in a lousy hand.


- Congrats to Joe DeCamillis with another impressive performance on special teams. This is part of the problem with Romo. The special teams are entirely impressive and effective at helping Dallas win the field position battle. Unfortunately when the QB throws pick 6's and INT's in our own territory, that doesn't help matters.


- Here's the difference between an organization like the G-Men and the Cowboys. The G-Men can take a guy like Manningham, a productive but troubled player in college and turn him into a productive and inspired player in the NFL. I'm still trying to figure out when was the last time the Cowboys have done that.

- Terence Newman is officially a pretty decent starting corner. He's no longer the shutdown corner he once was. Not even close

- Jay Ratliff looks like the best player on the team right now.

- Don't get too down on O-Scan right now. Young CB's seem to struggle the most in their second year. Never really figured out why, but that's what happens throughout the league. Newman's worst year was his second year. So was Asomugha's. Champ Bailey was horrible his second season. It happens.

- Spencer is too inconsistent. He'll look really great one play, then lose gap control and/or containment on the next play. His play is part of the reason why we have no sacks. He can get the beat on offensive tackle, but then he'll over-commit. He's almost symbolic of how the team plays as a whole.

- Last week I got criticized for saying we probably won't get many sacks early on, and so far we are at a goose egg.

- I still hate the 'freezing the kicker' method. I think it's bush league, but I also think it isn't effective. Coming from a golf background, which has similarities to kicking, I think freezing the kicker doesn't work because if I miss the field goal on the first try, I can then go off what I did wrong and correct it. It's essentially a practice kick.


- I'll give Garrett a lot of credit, he not only found ways to use each tailback effectively, but found ways to open up things in the running game. 250 yards rushing and we lose. If that doesn't tell you how disappointed I am in #9, then I don't know what to tell you.

- But let's not completely blame Romo. This was the epitome of an undisciplined, soft football team. How many missed tackles were there? 10? 12? 15? 20??? Flozell's trip costs Dallas a huge play which eventually leads to the fluke INT (although the throw by Romo was horrible). Carpenter gets called for a defensive hold which would've had Feagles punting from his own 5. Just lovely.

- Well, they get the Panthers...a team they've usually played well against although that is usually at Charlotte for whatever reason. Dallas had a real chance of going 5-0 into the bye week, but now with Carolina in a must win situation and a QB that not only has seen me and other fans jump off the bandwagon, but I have to question what the team is thinking or how long they will put up with this crap. But of course this doesn't excuse the other dumb mistakes, but you have to come away with a win when you should win (Dallas should've dominated the scoreboard), especially when you are playing a divisional foe at home. Believe it or not, Garrett has drawn a lot of confidence from me in his playcalling and play design. Now he's just got to get it through Romo's thick skull that these turnovers can't be allowed. Garrett seemingly has read my mind with playcalling lately and how to improve it, hopefully he'll do the same with Romo. If not, this could be a 7-9 team this year...if we're lucky.





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excellent points: spot on virtually 100% with mine. ratliff was amazing last night as was the Oline, and McBriar. Congrats to Joe D. indeed......gotta feel good for him.


IT was really depressing watching Romo last night BTW: I'm 100% sure now he's not the answer.....admitedly I've always been stubborn............his INT's are one thing: but his demeanor on the sideline speaks volumes........................wow.
 

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Good post, well argued. I agree with most of this except giving up on Romo. For the first time, I'm down on the guy but still not ready to throw in the towel.

This team is soft, though. My gawd, they're soft.
 

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Again, as bad as Romo played last night, he led the team to 31 points and the lead with 2 minutes to go.

Not absolving Romo, he played very badly, but he still put this team in position to win.
 

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Good point. Although i think Garrett got too “cute” with some of the play calls. Just run the freakin ball. It worked when we did it. All we needed from Romo was to be a bus driver...but he couldn’t do that, he had to be the hero.

Scandrick has now had 2 bad games. Jenkins wasn’t impressive either. And Newman, i made a comment a few months ago that he was overrated and got attacked by Adam and #41 and the other Newman homers.

Ware - Something is wrong with him. I noticed it in the preseason and made a comment about it, but nobody ever said anything about it. He can’t turn the corner anymore and is getting run on. Rat is the most destructive player on the team.

Spencer is an over-hyped immature drunken under-achiever.

But hey, Igor looked good! :rolleyes:
 

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fanfromvirginia;2958088 said:
Good post, well argued. I agree with most of this except giving up on Romo. For the first time, I'm down on the guy but still not ready to throw in the towel.

This team is soft, though. My gawd, they're soft.

I think this team is far more mentally soft than they are physically soft.

My thoughts on Romo are like dealing with the friend who is a drug addict that constantly relapses. After awhile you don't want to stop being their friend and you don't want to stop rooting for them to get better, but you are just at the point where you refuse to believe a word they say until they prove you beyond a shadow of a doubt otherwise.

I refuse to believe Romo will stop making careless decisions (and that's what it's about, not about a misread or a great play that's understandable, but careless decisions) until he proves me wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt.






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Yakuza Rich;2957991 said:
My Meaningless Thoughts On The Game
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- I think Garrett will get a lot of the blame, but I actually didn't have too much of an issue with the playcalling this game. We simply had to pass the ball a little in the second half to keep the defense honest and that's what Garrett attempted. Unfortunately, the QB has to know that we need to protect the ball because the running game is working and at the very least you want to keep the defense honest. But, we simply do not have that in our QB.

We've added a QB-friendly O-Coordinator. We've spent millions on the O-Line. We've added a dynamic tailback unit consisting of Barber, Felix and Choice. We've got not one, but TWO dynamic tight ends. We then get rid of Owens because supposedly he was forcing the ball to him and that would give him room to grow. Instead, he showed that he's the same old Romo.

Put him against a team that is somewhat disciplined and not soft and if Romo doesn't have his 'A' game going the team will lose because of him. Let me make that clear, if the defense is pretty good (not great) and Romo is a little off, we will assuredly lose because of Romo. It's almost as good of a guarantee as you will find in the NFL.

I know this isn't popular, but we need to start looking for a way to replace him as soon as possible because in the NFL, you don't win playoff games if your QB cannot protect the ball. The Bears tried to disprove this in '06 and it burned them in the end. And the Bears in '06 had a ferocios defense that actually scored points for them and had an amazing special teams that scored points for them. But Grossman turned the ball over and all of that help from the defense and special teams couldn't get them a Lombardi Trophy. People talk about 'never winning a Super Bowl with Romo', well I'm hear to say that I don't see us winning a playoff game with Romo at the rate he's going.

I seriously mean this, if somehow a good QB is available in FA or via trade, I really think the team should take a good hard look at it. You have to give players chances to prove themselves in the NFL, but you also have to be very good to know when to stop giving them chances because they'll never meet the base level expectations that are set for them. We've got too much talent on this team with guys like Jay Ratliff, Kyle Kosier, Marc Colombo, Roy Williams, Jason Witten, etc who have shown a ton of heart and stepped up their games to let it be blown by a guy who simply cannot raise his level of play.

I am officially on the Get Rid of Romo (but do it in a smart way) bandwagon and a firm believer we won't win a playoff game with him until proven otherwise. Sometimes you gotta know when to throw in a lousy hand.


- Congrats to Joe DeCamillis with another impressive performance on special teams. This is part of the problem with Romo. The special teams are entirely impressive and effective at helping Dallas win the field position battle. Unfortunately when the QB throws pick 6's and INT's in our own territory, that doesn't help matters.


- Here's the difference between an organization like the G-Men and the Cowboys. The G-Men can take a guy like Manningham, a productive but troubled player in college and turn him into a productive and inspired player in the NFL. I'm still trying to figure out when was the last time the Cowboys have done that.

- Terence Newman is officially a pretty decent starting corner. He's no longer the shutdown corner he once was. Not even close

- Jay Ratliff looks like the best player on the team right now.

- Don't get too down on O-Scan right now. Young CB's seem to struggle the most in their second year. Never really figured out why, but that's what happens throughout the league. Newman's worst year was his second year. So was Asomugha's. Champ Bailey was horrible his second season. It happens.

- Spencer is too inconsistent. He'll look really great one play, then lose gap control and/or containment on the next play. His play is part of the reason why we have no sacks. He can get the beat on offensive tackle, but then he'll over-commit. He's almost symbolic of how the team plays as a whole.

- Last week I got criticized for saying we probably won't get many sacks early on, and so far we are at a goose egg.

- I still hate the 'freezing the kicker' method. I think it's bush league, but I also think it isn't effective. Coming from a golf background, which has similarities to kicking, I think freezing the kicker doesn't work because if I miss the field goal on the first try, I can then go off what I did wrong and correct it. It's essentially a practice kick.


- I'll give Garrett a lot of credit, he not only found ways to use each tailback effectively, but found ways to open up things in the running game. 250 yards rushing and we lose. If that doesn't tell you how disappointed I am in #9, then I don't know what to tell you.

- But let's not completely blame Romo. This was the epitome of an undisciplined, soft football team. How many missed tackles were there? 10? 12? 15? 20??? Flozell's trip costs Dallas a huge play which eventually leads to the fluke INT (although the throw by Romo was horrible). Carpenter gets called for a defensive hold which would've had Feagles punting from his own 5. Just lovely.

- Well, they get the Panthers...a team they've usually played well against although that is usually at Charlotte for whatever reason. Dallas had a real chance of going 5-0 into the bye week, but now with Carolina in a must win situation and a QB that not only has seen me and other fans jump off the bandwagon, but I have to question what the team is thinking or how long they will put up with this crap. But of course this doesn't excuse the other dumb mistakes, but you have to come away with a win when you should win (Dallas should've dominated the scoreboard), especially when you are playing a divisional foe at home. Believe it or not, Garrett has drawn a lot of confidence from me in his playcalling and play design. Now he's just got to get it through Romo's thick skull that these turnovers can't be allowed. Garrett seemingly has read my mind with playcalling lately and how to improve it, hopefully he'll do the same with Romo. If not, this could be a 7-9 team this year...if we're lucky.


YAKUZA

Good post, although I'm a little less skeptical about Romo than you are. I was very disappointed that Wade didn't bench Flo after the tripping incident. That kind of bs is simply unacceptable IMO regardless if Free is a considerable step down.
 

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I am officially on the Get Rid of Romo (but do it in a smart way) bandwagon and a firm believer we won't win a playoff game with him until proven otherwise. Sometimes you gotta know when to throw in a lousy hand.

Wont happen with that contract. Besides Jerry admits mistakes about personnel and coaches very seldom.

- Here's the difference between an organization like the G-Men and the Cowboys. The G-Men can take a guy like Manningham, a productive but troubled player in college and turn him into a productive and inspired player in the NFL. I'm still trying to figure out when was the last time the Cowboys have done that.

The difference is called a real autonomus GM.

- Terence Newman is officially a pretty decent starting corner. He's no longer the shutdown corner he once was. Not even close

Anybody still want to argue about him being in decline?

- But let's not completely blame Romo. This was the epitome of an undisciplined, soft football team. How many missed tackles were there? 10? 12? 15? 20??? Flozell's trip costs Dallas a huge play which eventually leads to the fluke INT (although the throw by Romo was horrible). Carpenter gets called for a defensive hold which would've had Feagles punting from his own 5. Just lovely.

Schefter reported that Flozell is known throughout the league for his tripping technique and Tuck is salivating at playing him later in the year at the Medowlands. As far as the epitome of soft look no further than the HC.
 

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Mr Cowboy;2958116 said:
Again, as bad as Romo played last night, he led the team to 31 points and the lead with 2 minutes to go.

Not absolving Romo, he played very badly, but he still put this team in position to win.

I think the running game had more to do with the 31 points scored than Romo.

I don't think it's even close.




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Yakuza Rich;2957991 said:
My Meaningless Thoughts On The Game
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We've added a QB-friendly O-Coordinator. We've spent millions on the O-Line. We've added a dynamic tailback unit consisting of Barber, Felix and Choice. We've got not one, but TWO dynamic tight ends. We then get rid of Owens because supposedly he was forcing the ball to him and that would give him room to grow. Instead, he showed that he's the same old Romo.

I am officially on the Get Rid of Romo (but do it in a smart way) bandwagon and a firm believer we won't win a playoff game with him until proven otherwise. Sometimes you gotta know when to throw in a lousy hand.


- Congrats to Joe DeCamillis with another impressive performance on special teams. This is part of the problem with Romo. The special teams are entirely impressive and effective at helping Dallas win the field position battle. Unfortunately when the QB throws pick 6's and INT's in our own territory, that doesn't help matters.

- Here's the difference between an organization like the G-Men and the Cowboys. The G-Men can take a guy like Manningham, a productive but troubled player in college and turn him into a productive and inspired player in the NFL. I'm still trying to figure out when was the last time the Cowboys have done that.

- Terence Newman is officially a pretty decent starting corner. He's no longer the shutdown corner he once was. Not even close

- Jay Ratliff looks like the best player on the team right now.

- Don't get too down on O-Scan right now. Young CB's seem to struggle the most in their second year. Never really figured out why, but that's what happens throughout the league. Newman's worst year was his second year. So was Asomugha's. Champ Bailey was horrible his second season. It happens.

- Spencer is too inconsistent. He'll look really great one play, then lose gap control and/or containment on the next play. His play is part of the reason why we have no sacks. He can get the beat on offensive tackle, but then he'll over-commit. He's almost symbolic of how the team plays as a whole.

- Last week I got criticized for saying we probably won't get many sacks early on, and so far we are at a goose egg.

- I still hate the 'freezing the kicker' method. I think it's bush league, but I also think it isn't effective. Coming from a golf background, which has similarities to kicking, I think freezing the kicker doesn't work because if I miss the field goal on the first try, I can then go off what I did wrong and correct it. It's essentially a practice kick.


- I'll give Garrett a lot of credit, he not only found ways to use each tailback effectively, but found ways to open up things in the running game. 250 yards rushing and we lose. If that doesn't tell you how disappointed I am in #9, then I don't know what to tell you.

- But let's not completely blame Romo. This was the epitome of an undisciplined, soft football team. How many missed tackles were there? 10? 12? 15? 20??? Flozell's trip costs Dallas a huge play which eventually leads to the fluke INT (although the throw by Romo was horrible). Carpenter gets called for a defensive hold which would've had Feagles punting from his own 5. Just lovely.

- Well, they get the Panthers...a team they've usually played well against although that is usually at Charlotte for whatever reason. Dallas had a real chance of going 5-0 into the bye week, but now with Carolina in a must win situation and a QB that not only has seen me and other fans jump off the bandwagon, but I have to question what the team is thinking or how long they will put up with this crap. But of course this doesn't excuse the other dumb mistakes, but you have to come away with a win when you should win (Dallas should've dominated the scoreboard), especially when you are playing a divisional foe at home. Believe it or not, Garrett has drawn a lot of confidence from me in his playcalling and play design. Now he's just got to get it through Romo's thick skull that these turnovers can't be allowed. Garrett seemingly has read my mind with playcalling lately and how to improve it, hopefully he'll do the same with Romo. If not, this could be a 7-9 team this year...if we're lucky.
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Great stuff...Caught many of the same things I did from this game and many of the things over many games wrt Romo...I've got one foot onto the 'Trade Romo' bandwagon but I'm giving him until December to show me...I am skeptical that he will turn the corner but I'm giving him the benefit of doubt...I say skeptical simply because you can see it on so many plays with him...He does not see the whole field...He seems to focus on one area and has blinders for the rest...Hence, the implausible INTs...Then, sometimes, he simply throws some bad balls.

I'm still on 7-9, 8-8...I hope they surprise me but I still see the same problems holding the club back
 

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I agree with everything except your Romo thoughts. There is really no other proven QB out there that would give you a better chance to win than Romo.
You going to trade for Ben, Brady, Manning? Probably not...If there was another viable proven option, that team is sure as hell not going to trade it. QB is the hardest position to find in the NFL...Cowboys should know that best.
 

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Good post Yazuka, but where's Wade? We play soft because of our HC/DC is soft and I've said it before and I'll say it again, we've taken on the persona of our HC.

I'm not going to throw Tony to the wolves. I still think he gives us the best chance to win and is our only hope for a playoff berth. Before we call for Romo's head, I'd like ot see what he can do with a real HC in place.
 

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Mr Cowboy;2958116 said:
Again, as bad as Romo played last night, he led the team to 31 points and the lead with 2 minutes to go.

Not absolving Romo, he played very badly, but he still put this team in position to win.

Not the point I think he's making at all. When Tony is on he's a very good QB, but when he's off you're going to lose because of him. If you're a good NFL QB there has to be a middle ground and he doesn't have it.
 

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BALCO;2958154 said:
I agree with everything except your Romo thoughts. There is really no other proven QB out there that would give you a better chance to win than Romo.
You going to trade for Ben, Brady, Manning? Probably not...If there was another viable proven option, that team is sure as hell not going to trade it. QB is the hardest position to find in the NFL...Cowboys should know that best.

I agree. Although you never know if a Cutler like situation comes around. And yes, I know Cutler threw 4 picks against the Packers, but his WR's are much worse than Dallas' and were not on the same page, which is understandable in their first game together. He then played the Steelers defense in some bad rain and played quite well (and didn't turn the ball over).

But I look at guys like Ratliff, Ware, Bradie, Sensabaugh, Roy Williams, Miles Austin, Witten, Martellus, Felix, etc. etc. All somewhat young guys heading into their prime or in their prime. If we can find a replacement now and trade Romo (and we should get exceptional value for him), we can get a Colt McCoy or a Tim Tebow and start looking towards the future. We have the talent to protect them in the first year, much like the Falcons did with Matt Ryan, the Ravens did with Flacco, the Steelers did with Big Ben and the Jets are doing now with Sanchez. By a year or two, those guys I mentioned will still have plenty of gas in the tank and the QB we drafted should just get better and better.

Do we really believe the Jets have more talent? I sure don't.





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Really a very good post IMO. I don't know that we can get rid of Romo or even if we should. It is maddening to watch Romo throw games away like the one we did last night. This is essentially the same thing we did with the playoff game in NY a couple years ago.

You look at the statistics of that game and it really makes you wonder. Giants were 0-5 in the Redzone and 0-1 in goal to goal.

Giants had a total of 64 offensive plays while we had 58. We held them to 3.7 YPC and 97 total rushing yards. The strength of the Giants team is rushing and we stopped them cold.

Through 3 quarters, we gave up 252 yards on 47 plays. That's an average of 84 yards a quarter. In the 4th quarter, we gave up 179 yards on 22 plays.

Aside from the Pick 6, our defense only gave up 6 points in the first 3 quarters of football, of which, one of those was off a turnover on our own 27. In the 4th quarter, we gave up a TD and two FGs.

This game should never have been this close.
 

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Yakuza Rich;2958206 said:
I agree. Although you never know if a Cutler like situation comes around. And yes, I know Cutler threw 4 picks against the Packers, but his WR's are much worse than Dallas' and were not on the same page, which is understandable in their first game together. He then played the Steelers defense in some bad rain and played quite well (and didn't turn the ball over).

But I look at guys like Ratliff, Ware, Bradie, Sensabaugh, Roy Williams, Miles Austin, Witten, Martellus, Felix, etc. etc. All somewhat young guys heading into their prime or in their prime. If we can find a replacement now and trade Romo (and we should get exceptional value for him), we can get a Colt McCoy or a Tim Tebow and start looking towards the future. We have the talent to protect them in the first year, much like the Falcons did with Matt Ryan, the Ravens did with Flacco, the Steelers did with Big Ben and the Jets are doing now with Sanchez. By a year or two, those guys I mentioned will still have plenty of gas in the tank and the QB we drafted should just get better and better.

Do we really believe the Jets have more talent? I sure don't.

YAKUZA

Cutler is as streaky as Romo and much more of a headcase. Did you see the Broncos collapse last year. No thanks.

Romo will win you more games than he loses...that is proven. Maybe not at the right times, but I don't think you jump ship after 2 1/2 years. Remember what everyone was saying about Eli his first few years...they wanted his butt out of there?

Drafting a QB is a crapshoot...you hit gold or you don't. Both Tebow and McCoy give you a better chance to win than Romo right now? Not in a million years.
 

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Yakuza Rich;2958119 said:
I think this team is far more mentally soft than they are physically soft.

My thoughts on Romo are like dealing with the friend who is a drug addict that constantly relapses. After awhile you don't want to stop being their friend and you don't want to stop rooting for them to get better, but you are just at the point where you refuse to believe a word they say until they prove you beyond a shadow of a doubt otherwise.

I refuse to believe Romo will stop making careless decisions (and that's what it's about, not about a misread or a great play that's understandable, but careless decisions) until he proves me wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt.






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Romo is starting to show shades of coachkillaitis but I am not ready to give up on him...yet. I will reserve my judgment until the end of the first half of the season.
 

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Romo is a tease and will always make you think he is close to turning the corner to becoming a Championship level QB. But the fact is this is his 3rd year and you can go back every year and count off the games where he pulls these stunts.

The fact is reckless play is in his DNA and no matter what you try and do to change him you simply can't do it. The zebra won't change his stripes.

How and why he took a shot at a 50 yard TD when the situation called for ball control and eat the clock is beyond me!! Leading by 4 running the ball down their throats and he puts it up deep down field when he admittedly didn't know where the safety was...that is once again INEXCUSABLE!!!

It's like watching a replay of the Steeler game, the Ravens game, the Eagles game, etc. etc. etc.!!
 
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CaptainAmerica;2958419 said:
Romo is a tease and will always make you think he is close to turning the corner to becoming a Championship level QB. But the fact is this is his 3rd year and you can go back every year and count off the games where he pulls these stunts.

The fact is reckless play is in his DNA and no matter what you try and do to change him you simply can't do it. The zebra won't change his stripes.

How and why he took a shot at a 50 yard TD when the situation called for ball control and eat the clock is beyond me!! Leading by 4 running the ball down their throats and he puts it up deep down field when he admittedly didn't know where the safety was...that is once again INEXCUSABLE!!!

It's like watching a replay of the Steeler game, the Ravens game, the Eagles game, etc. etc. etc.!!


Great post!

We are in trouble.
 
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