My take on Drew Henson. Why the hell not, right?

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Doomsday101 said:
Romo was not our backup last year but has shown improvement this year

Supports my point because Romo is now getting more opportunities (not to say that you were arguing against my point).
 

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DallasDW00ds0n said:
Henson isn't even our #2 QB right. no matter how you look at it or what angle you want to take at it; hes not good enough to play. plain and simple.


THank you. What's that got to do with my post? I never said he was ready. I merely said I believe he's struggling cuz he's moved on to trying to decypher more advanced information. I really don't think it's hard to understand, but some people are so closed minded about the whole deal they just want to believe what they want to believe and block out any and all other possibilities.



Vman, I know what your saying. But I think you still aren't really understanding my point. Of course he hasn't looked as good, but the reason for that (IMO) is cuz he has actually advanced to a tougher, more advanced line of thinking.

Things don't get easier when you advance, they get more difficult until you have a good understanding of it.

What was more difficult, learning 2 X 2 in elementary, or learning to solve algebric equations?

I wish I had a better way with words, but this is the best I can do. Sorry.
 

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Banned_n_austin said:
Sounds like more of an excuse than anything ...

Sounds like a QB who's developing to me. But I'm not of the school that figures the guy has to be a pro bowl player his first few weeks or he's a bust.

It's funny how certain people had no problem with Romo developing over the past 3 years, but don't seem to want to give Henson even 2 seasons to grow. Even though Romo hasn't developed into a starter yet.
 

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Vman said:
Supports my point because Romo is now getting more opportunities (not to say that you were arguing against my point).

I'm glad for Romo I think entering this season it was critical for him to show improvement after all he was heading into his 3rd season with the team. I fully support Romo but not ready to ditch Henson
 

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Vman, I know what your saying. But I think you still aren't really understanding my point. Of course he hasn't looked as good, but the reason for that (IMO) is cuz he has actually advanced to a tougher, more advanced line of thinking.

Things don't get easier when you advance, they get more difficult until you have a good understanding of it.

And this could very well be true. I would say the next game should speak greatly towards these points. Does Henson hit the field? If not, I think it speaks volumes.
 

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I guess I've just gotten used to it by now, Dooms - the excuse making.


So instead of actually trying to think about what I'm trying to explain, you automatically take this as "excuse making" as if I were one of those who have a "Favorite" QB.

Have you ever seen me say anything negative about Romo? No. Why then would I have to make excuses for Henson? I'm sorry, but I'm beyond all the "My QB is better then your QB" BS. Henson is, and should be, our 3rd QB this year. This has NOTHING to do with that, Ok?


The same reason Henson is struggling now is the same reason Romo struggled last preseason. Did I make excuses for Romo last preseason? Romo was simply struggling to absorb all the advanced information. This year he has a much better understanding of said information. Why then is it "making excuses" to believe it's the same case for Henson?


Please, explain.
 

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Vman said:
I would only disagree with the above comment. When making improvement, one should expect more opportunities.

Henson is receiving LESS opportunities.

At this point, Bill either believes the kid will never get it or needs more time to get it than he is willing to give.

IMO.


I would think that how you perform in practice drills would indicate how many opportunities you get. When playing QB, one should consider practices as an "opportunity" IMO.

Henson is getting what he earned. So is Romo.
 

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Vman said:
And this could very well be true. I would say the next game should speak greatly towards these points. Does Henson hit the field? If not, I think it speaks volumes.


Yeah I think he'll get plenty of playing time on Thursday. But Henson is for next year or the year after (we'll still have Bledsoe and Romo next year). I just think Henson is struggling cuz he's actually advancing, so to speak.


Just like Romo did last year. If Henson can make the same kind of improvements next year we'll be ok.
 

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I haven't seen any improvement what-so-ever with my own two eyes. I see the same deer blinded by the same headlights. It's not pretty.


You're obviously COMPLETELY missing my point. You aren't even close to getting it.
 

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It's simple. Bledsoe starts. Romo at this point is best #2. Henson sticks around and continues to develope. Just cuz Romo is better now doesnt mean Henson can't improve alot over the next year. And if he doesnt, and Romo becomes all world, then Romo could be the QB of the future
 

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Billy Bullocks said:
It's simple. Bledsoe starts. Romo at this point is best #2. Henson sticks around and continues to develope. Just cuz Romo is better now doesnt mean Henson can't improve alot over the next year. And if he doesnt, and Romo becomes all world, then Romo could be the QB of the future


Exactly. But Bledsoe and Romo really have nothing to do with my initial post. This was all about Henson, and his development. What place he is on the depth chart has nothing to do with what I was trying to explain.
 

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Banned_n_austin said:
I would think that how you perform in practice drills would indicate how many opportunities you get. When playing QB, one should consider practices as an "opportunity" IMO.

Henson is getting what he earned. So is Romo.

Certainly. I agree.

I'm just wondering how this whole scenario would have played out if they'd left his throwing motion alone. I guess that's the making of another thread.
 

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Vman said:
I would only disagree with the above comment. When making improvement, one should expect more opportunities.

Henson is receiving LESS opportunities.

At this point, Bill either believes the kid will never get it or needs more time to get it than he is willing to give.

IMO.

Parcells and Jerry both know they have some time to develop Henson. And my take is that Bill thinks Drew needs more time. It is quite obvious. And that is not a knock against Henson whatsoever. We have the luxury of waiting another season on Drew.

And that is fine by me. As for Romo, it is about time that he looks like a capable backup. Took 3 1/2 years to do so. And he still is shaky at times. Let's all hope that Bledsoe does well enough and stays injury free.
 

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JDSmith said:
Sounds like a QB who's developing to me. But I'm not of the school that figures the guy has to be a pro bowl player his first few weeks or he's a bust.

It's funny how certain people had no problem with Romo developing over the past 3 years, but don't seem to want to give Henson even 2 seasons to grow. Even though Romo hasn't developed into a starter yet.


JDSmith, it about him showing some improvement. Anything. Something. But it looks like he's gotten worse. You can't say you've seen improvement and really be being honest. Seriously. He hasn't shown improvement.

If Henson is #3 on the depth chart I have no problem with it. Hopefully, he'll show some improvement.

My WHOLE problem with Henson though is that people just wanted him to be put in there - having never done anything to EARN his job.

I don't hate the player, I hate his game. He doesn't have one right now. Romo does however.

If Romo is #2 and chances are Henson doesn't get near the field in a game with any significance, I've got no problems. I think Bill will make the right call with the #2 guy. But it is important. Bledsoe is going to get hit back there. He could get hurt. I just want a guy capable on the depth chart. Romo showed he could be that guy.

Obviously, Parcells is thinking this way as well. His actions showed this on the field Saturday. But let's all listen to what he says. Don't pay attention to his actions. That would be stupid, right?
 

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I think people are all over Henson because we had Troy for a decade followed by failed experiments with two other former baseball players.

To me, Henson is different than Carter or Chutch. Henson has all the physical gifts that it takes to be a superstar quarterback in the NFL, but he started all of nine games in college and then played baseball for three years.

It's going to take him a little more time than usual, but I think Henson will be starting for America's team in a year or two, just about the time the rest of the team is ready to contend for the Super Bowl.

Would you have released Peyton Manning after his rookie year when he threw, what, 28 interceptions? Elway was an INT machine his first three years in the League. Favre had a really rough few years to start his career. But Indy, Denver and Green Bay stuck with their young QBs because they had talent (and were high first-round picks).

Henson has the talent of a first-rounder. He just has a lot of learning to do. And although I believe that we'll eventually see him demonstrate his talent on the field, I don't know any more than anyone else if he'll be an NFL starter. I'm sure willing to give him time to get a shot at it though.
 

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The only reason we are even having another Henson debate is because people with unrealistic expectations were hyping him up and calling for him to start last season and this season. From a realistic perspective what we're witnessing with Henson is not in the least strange or unexpected considering his total lack of experience.
 

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JDSmith said:
Sounds like a QB who's developing to me. But I'm not of the school that figures the guy has to be a pro bowl player his first few weeks or he's a bust.

It's funny how certain people had no problem with Romo developing over the past 3 years, but don't seem to want to give Henson even 2 seasons to grow. Even though Romo hasn't developed into a starter yet.

:hammer: Game! Set! Match!
 

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I think people are all over Henson because we had Troy for a decade followed by failed experiments with two other former baseball players.

To me, Henson is different than Carter or Chutch. Henson has all the physical gifts that it takes to be a superstar quarterback in the NFL, but he started all of nine games in college and then played baseball for three years.

Quincy Carter had just as much, if not more, physical talent. He had a great arm and was probably faster than Henson. Just thought I'd point that out.

Hutch is a #3 and Quincy is not even working.

It's going to take him a little more time than usual, but I think Henson will be starting for America's team in a year or two, just about the time the rest of the team is ready to contend for the Super Bowl.

It never ends. Henson can't even go through his read progressions. But he's going to win a Super Bowl, right?

:jerk:

Would you have released Peyton Manning after his rookie year when he threw, what, 28 interceptions? Elway was an INT machine his first three years in the League. Favre had a really rough few years to start his career. But Indy, Denver and Green Bay stuck with their young QBs because they had talent (and were high first-round picks).

It's not about interceptions with Drew Henson, it's about him being absolutely lost at the QB position. He's lost.

Henson has the talent of a first-rounder. He just has a lot of learning to do. And although I believe that we'll eventually see him demonstrate his talent on the field, I don't know any more than anyone else if he'll be an NFL starter. I'm sure willing to give him time to get a shot at it though.

Akili Smith had the "talent of a first rounder" too. This has been the thing people site all the time. He sure doesn't look like a first round talent.

And if he really does have first round talent, how come he can't close the gap just a little bit on an UDFA with only a year more experience in the NFL?

Ever think of that?

I'd think if you were a 'first round talent' you could easily gain some ground on an UDFA.

If he's got first round talent, he's hiding it somewhere. Because you sure can't see it.
 

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Banned_n_austin said:
Quincy Carter had just as much, if not more, physical talent. He had a great arm and was probably faster than Henson. Just thought I'd point that out.

Hutch is a #3 and Quincy is not even working.



It never ends. Henson can't even go through his read progressions. But he's going to win a Super Bowl, right?

:jerk:



It's not about interceptions with Drew Henson, it's about him being absolutely lost at the QB position. He's lost.



Akili Smith had the "talent of a first rounder" too. This has been the thing people site all the time. He sure doesn't look like a first round talent.

And if he really does have first round talent, how come he can't close the gap just a little bit on an UDFA with only a year more experience in the NFL?

Ever think of that?

I'd think if you were a 'first round talent' you could easily gain some ground on an UDFA.

If he's got first round talent, he's hiding it somewhere. Because you sure can't see it.

And if Bill did not give Romo another opertunity many of you would not be able to sing his praises today. Romo did not look that great last year but has shown improvement.
 

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Banned_n_austin said:
Quincy Carter had just as much, if not more, physical talent. He had a great arm and was probably faster than Henson. Just thought I'd point that out.

Hutch is a #3 and Quincy is not even working.



It never ends. Henson can't even go through his read progressions. But he's going to win a Super Bowl, right?

:jerk:



It's not about interceptions with Drew Henson, it's about him being absolutely lost at the QB position. He's lost.



Akili Smith had the "talent of a first rounder" too. This has been the thing people site all the time. He sure doesn't look like a first round talent.

And if he really does have first round talent, how come he can't close the gap just a little bit on an UDFA with only a year more experience in the NFL?

Ever think of that?

I'd think if you were a 'first round talent' you could easily gain some ground on an UDFA.

If he's got first round talent, he's hiding it somewhere. Because you sure can't see it.

And I was willing to give Quincy 3 years as a starter to develop. I can certainly give Henson 3 years as a backup. I don't believe QBs are made over night. That goes for Quincy, Romo, Henson or any other QB. David Carr was the number 1 overall pick 3 or 4 years ago and he's STILL developing.
 
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