My thoughts against the Giants

mrmojo

Well-Known Member
Messages
10,088
Reaction score
9,825
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
Seriously Bailey? Have you ever kicked a cold ball? It was a great attempt in less than ideal conditions. If we ran the ball more when we were in Giant territory he would had better chances, he shouldn't even be on the list.
 

Dorsett33

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,012
Reaction score
1,217
I see many of folks here blaming Dak only. While I believe he played poorly so did the entire offense.

OL.....played ok in the first half but was terrible in the 2nd half. Dak had constant pressure and Zeke had rough time gaining yards without being hit in the backfield during the 2nd half. Dak needs not hold the ball as long as he does to help the line out but they should be great and not get bullied by undrafted players.

Zeke.....2nd half.....9 carries 21 yards is unacceptable. He needs more then 9 carries in the half especially in a tight game. You spend multiple first on OL and a 4th pick overall on a running back you play him and not sit him on the bench for Dunbar. Zeke and the OL couldn't get in rhythm in the second half due to play calling and giants stacking the box

Linehan.....seeing a tight game, rookie QB struggling, OL struggling, RB not getting room you have to help them out. These long developing routes does no good if Dak has pressure in his face. Sometimes Dak just made a bad throw but pressure was coming on 3 man front sometimes. You shouldn't have your QB throw almost 40 times. In 2 games against the Giants you throw the ball 100 times.....you wanna know why we didn't beat giants neither time? You went away from what was working to get pass happy.

Dez and the recievers.....Dez you are being paid as a top WR, you on twitter kissing Odell back side and having a good old time. 9 targets 1 catch 10 yards, cause of interception, lazy route running led to another interception, and a fumble with a little over 2 minutes left in the game. You have to be better or give that money back. T Williams was the best reciever we had tonight, he caught passes, scored a TD and was very efficient blocking. Beasley was ok but thought he had a few drops and run a couple bad routes thar resulted in an incomplete pass. Butler was a non factor, he had a chance to be the hero and dropped the TD. Was pass interference that wasn't called but you can't rely on refs.

Bailey......not sure what happened there and he makes so many and is so accurate but in tight games he can't miss those FGs. I have no fear that Bailey will be right and get back on track this week.

TEs.....Escobar had some good blocks. Witten did his thing but all these guys need to run past the first down before looking for the ball. Tired of seeing guys, recievers too, go 2 yards short of the first on 3rd down.

Defense played great, Carr was beat twice by Beckham....1 for a 4th down conversion and the other for a 61 yard TD. Not sure why Carr covered Beckham but he doesn't have the speed for that. Scandrick also have up a first down catch on 4th down. People might not admit it but Claiborne and Brown are our best corners. We have to draft another CB in the draft no question. But overall the corners played well, looks good when you get pressure

Safeties played very well. Church missed 2 or 3 interceptions but not holding it against him because of the cast. Jones was coming up and making tackles on the backfield and at the line of scrimmage all night. Heath got a massive stiff arm by Beckham. Wilcox needs to get healthy.

Front 7......played very well. They lived in the backfield all night. Eli throws quick buy the front 7 harassed eli and made it difficult for him to get going. Thornton is improving each week and Collins as a rookie is becoming a monster. Glad to see Mayowa get anther sack but DE is a huge need. Sean Lee is the best player on defense and might be best LB in the league. Hope Jaylon comes back healthy with Lee still playing at a high level.

Jerry Jones.....please stop the telling about Dak and Romo. This kid doesn't need anymore pressure or thinking the owner isn't behind him.

Overall our defense played playoff caliber defense. If our offense would look some what like they have all year we don't lose another game. This loss sucks but with some adjustments...cough.....Linehan....we can improve
Finally...someone who watched the game
 

Wood

Well-Known Member
Messages
8,447
Reaction score
5,697
Here is what I saw:

* OL getting handled on pass protection which forced Dallas into max protection taking Witten out of some routes.

* Jason Witten is getting dam slow and YAC is dwindling. Guy been warrior but running out of steam here.

* Dak isn't cold weather QB yet. I though his throws were off and getting hit in cold like that took some of his spirit away.

* Dez wanted no parts of that cold weather and Jenkins. I mean none.

* Defense played well...really well.
 

conner01

Well-Known Member
Messages
28,968
Reaction score
26,613
agree with most of the above. However this statement is kinda stupid:

Bailey......not sure what happened there and he makes so many and is so accurate but in tight games he can't miss those FGs.

Bailey missed his only field goal of the night and it was 55 yards and banged off the crossbar (dead center). The ball in that weather is like kicking a frozen rock. You can blame a lot of things on the loss with most of being DAK, but Bailey shouldn't make this list. I also thought the playcalling pretty much sucked and Dez was probably the worst he has ever been in a Cowboys uniform.
He kicked the ball exactly the distance he said he could in pre game warmups. That was just a tad short of what we needed but amazing how he said 54 in warmups and that would have been good from 54
 

Seven

Messenger to the football Gods
Messages
19,301
Reaction score
9,892
The OL was fine.

The Gints blitzed and................Dak hung on to the ball too long.

Even when the pocket was solid.

Last night would've been a GREAT night for one Dakota Prescott to use his legs.

JMO............
 

DFWJC

Well-Known Member
Messages
59,982
Reaction score
48,729
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
Bailey?
What?

He hit that ball absolutely perfectly.
He told them after pre-game warm-ups that in that cold weather his max was 52-53 yards--from warm-ups he knew this for fact.
That was 55 yards and he hit it dead center and exactly 55 yards...doink, off the center bar. lol
 

DFWJC

Well-Known Member
Messages
59,982
Reaction score
48,729
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
Not everybody on the list was blamed for the lost. Again Bailey needs to make that FG and usually does.
That's crazy. No, he already told them his max was 2 yards short of that. Cold balls and at sea level don't travel as far.
That's silly. Come on now.

If it had been wide (assuming also a perfect snap and hold) on a 45 yarder, that would be different.
This was a an absolute perfect kick. Exceeded his expected distance and was exact dead center.
 

J_Allen

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,507
Reaction score
7,781
You forgot Special Teams

More holds/Blocks in the back to negate long runs or give us lousy field position. More poor decisions from the returners.

It's been going on all season. It needs to end now. Any Special Teams coach worth a crap would have had it fixed several weeks ago.
 

jrumann59

Well-Known Member
Messages
15,017
Reaction score
8,770
agree with most of the above. However this statement is kinda stupid:

Bailey......not sure what happened there and he makes so many and is so accurate but in tight games he can't miss those FGs.

Bailey missed his only field goal of the night and it was 55 yards and banged off the crossbar (dead center). The ball in that weather is like kicking a frozen rock. You can blame a lot of things on the loss with most of being DAK, but Bailey shouldn't make this list. I also thought the playcalling pretty much sucked and Dez was probably the worst he has ever been in a Cowboys uniform.
also cold air is more dense so things like balls do not travel as far
 

jrumann59

Well-Known Member
Messages
15,017
Reaction score
8,770
Here is what I saw:

* OL getting handled on pass protection which forced Dallas into max protection taking Witten out of some routes.

* Jason Witten is getting dam slow and YAC is dwindling. Guy been warrior but running out of steam here.
Either we ran too many long slow developing routes or Wittens routes are to short which is it. Not every route run by an offense goes 10 yards not to mention teams know Dak is capt checkdown they will give Witt and RB all the 5-7 yarders all night. You know sort of like our defense.

* Dak isn't cold weather QB yet. I though his throws were off and getting hit in cold like that took some of his spirit away.
Maybe but his mechanics stunk it could have been cold weather but he was constantly throwing off the wrong foot on the move and had a lot of happy feet.

* Dez wanted no parts of that cold weather and Jenkins. I mean none.
Dez was seeing a lot of bracket coverage which caters to Jenkins gambling tendencies

* Defense played well...really well.
If NYG was not so inept the game would have been over at half time. This week and last week inept offenses will make this defense look stellar on stat sheets.

Comments in Red
 

LocimusPrime

Well-Known Member
Messages
34,091
Reaction score
92,903
  • Prior to the game and season, there were some zone criticism in regards to the Giants off season spending. It seems the the money they spent has reaped some significant benefits. Jenkins played well against Dez in both games. Snacks is a run stopping monster, and Vernon is tied for 12th in sacks. This is their first year playing together in the defense, so things should only become easier next year.
  • Prior to the game, there was a thread about the Giants "blueprint" to stop Dallas. Basically it was the same as the Vikes. Commit to stopping the run, cover short and dump off/ check down passes and have Dak beat you downfield. Peeps laughed. Lol lol lol :muttley:. " everyone has a plan until you get punched in the mouth".
  • Why does every reaction have to be labeled an "overreaction". Criticisms of the teams play after being swept by a divisional opponent can be just normal reactions.
  • Any criticism of people's pet players are met with such anger. If Dez has a bad game, he has a bad game. If Dak played poorly, he played poorly.
  • Bobby Lee swagger is a bad dude
 
Messages
18,222
Reaction score
28,531
Here is what I saw:

* OL getting handled on pass protection which forced Dallas into max protection taking Witten out of some routes.

* Jason Witten is getting dam slow and YAC is dwindling. Guy been warrior but running out of steam here.

* Dak isn't cold weather QB yet. I though his throws were off and getting hit in cold like that took some of his spirit away.

* Dez wanted no parts of that cold weather and Jenkins. I mean none.

* Defense played well...really well.
You know what the funny thing is? When the weather is cold, the players have to play the part of tough guys by going sleeveless. They have to look tougher than the other guys.
Then you get dropped passes, fumbles and poor throws all over the place.

I'd rather have the players stay warmer, look wimpy and execute.
 

Irvin88_4life

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,509
Reaction score
26,396
That's crazy. No, he already told them his max was 2 yards short of that. Cold balls and at sea level don't travel as far.
That's silly. Come on now.

If it had been wide (assuming also a perfect snap and hold) on a 45 yarder, that would be different.
This was a an absolute perfect kick. Exceeded his expected distance and was exact dead center.
That's false cause Bailey said in that direction he could hit 3 to 4 more yards. By the way I'm not blaming Bailey for the lost and never did but what I said was he has to make that kick. In the playoffs we might need it to win or stay with in striking distance.
 

DFWJC

Well-Known Member
Messages
59,982
Reaction score
48,729
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
That's false cause Bailey said in that direction he could hit 3 to 4 more yards. By the way I'm not blaming Bailey for the lost and never did but what I said was he has to make that kick. In the playoffs we might need it to win or stay with in striking distance.
He said "maybe one more yard"... 52 one way and 53 the other.
 

DFWJC

Well-Known Member
Messages
59,982
Reaction score
48,729
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
Seriously Bailey? Have you ever kicked a cold ball? It was a great attempt in less than ideal conditions. If we ran the ball more when we were in Giant territory he would had better chances, he shouldn't even be on the list.
Dude kicked it perfectly. Not sure what else he could do.
 

DFWJC

Well-Known Member
Messages
59,982
Reaction score
48,729
CowboysZone LOYAL Fan
That's not what I heard but it doesn't matter now. I'm not worried 1 bit that Bailey makes that kick 9 out of 10 times
Just not in 30 degree weather. Never has once. Look it up.

But I hear you...certainly not worth debating as there was plenty of other places to look for legit blame if one wanted to.
 

Irvin88_4life

Well-Known Member
Messages
22,509
Reaction score
26,396
Seriously Bailey? Have you ever kicked a cold ball? It was a great attempt in less than ideal conditions. If we ran the ball more when we were in Giant territory he would had better chances, he shouldn't even be on the list.
This isn't a list of blame. Try reading and comprehending before responding
 
Top