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Way to aim high there....”better than you..”....yikes....Well, better than you, habitué de les boulevards.
Way to aim high there....”better than you..”....yikes....Well, better than you, habitué de les boulevards.
yes, its about linehan.....that's where discussions began, but if its about Linehan, why post stat comparing YPA for dak, brady, Romo and Rodgers?Maybe you should reread the first post and understand this thread wasnt meant to be about dak but more linehan. But you posters refuse to get the dak line out of your heads. so i had to post facts about the numbers and stats they were trying to push as facts.
This isnt going to be long but it will be direct and to the point.
I read thread after thread, and post after post about Dak not throwing for 300 yrds. Along with that all the other cliche criticisms posters here want to spew. ANd i wonder if any of you actually have paid attention and know this information or just hate to hate.
In 2014 Scott Linehan was hired
Look at Romo's stats and you will see that they are very similar to what Dak has done with the offense since he's been in the NFL. The only numbers that are really in Romo's favors are TD passes. But we'll look at the number and you will be suprised to see that it was and has been Linehan thats been the issue.
2014 Romo numbers
247yrds a game passing. Isnt that where Daks been avg'n at his whole career?
in 2014 Romo had 7 games of 250 or more yrds and only 1 game over 300. This yr Dak had 6 over 250 and 2 over 300. In 2017 Dak has 5 over 250 and 1 over 300. 2016 he had 5 over 250 and 2 over 300.
2014 Romo was at 69% comp rate, Dak has been 67,62,67% from 2016 -2018
Romo was 8.52avg per attemp, as Dak has been 8, 6.2, 7.4 from 2016-2018
Romo had been a consistent 350yrd passer per game his entire career before 2014. How did he dip 100yrds per game in 1 yr? Maybe the offense? A offense that put more emphasis on run game and the same routes? Oh there the the narrative that Romo was changing the plays and there was more success...Yes he changed some plays and made some great things happen. But the stats dont lie. He was running the same plays and doing the same things Dak has been his entire Career.
WE saw Romo falling to the ground plenty as the blitz would come right up the gut did we not?
Now this thread isnt a rip at Romo because i have said plenty of times, that i think 2014 was Romo best yr of his career because the offense saved him from himself and set a limit on how much of a gunslinger he plaid. Because up to that point in his career the guy was a int machine. This post is just to show some of you that the starting QB has had the limited statline from 2014 to 2018. Even with the hero Romo.
One thing the system did was provide consistent wins because it kept things simple and high percentage plays and had a OL that nobody could beat. But the problem came to being 5 yrs of tape and 5 yrs of the same play scheme with no alteration. No adjustments, no tweaks. If LInehan would've added to a working system he would still be OC and dallas probably would've been to a superbowl in those 5 yrs of running his offense.
and Troy Fakin Aikman threw one every 33 thats my point stop acting as if Romos numbers make him accident prone ie choker or INT machine what does that make the Little boy Blue in Troy with 3 rings on team with 12 HOF players?romo threw a int every 37 passes in his career. thats top 15 all time. For your info.
yes, its about linehan.....that's where discussions began, but if its about Linehan, why post stat comparing YPA for dak, brady, Romo and Rodgers?
This isnt going to be long but it will be direct and to the point.
I read thread after thread, and post after post about Dak not throwing for 300 yrds. Along with that all the other cliche criticisms posters here want to spew. ANd i wonder if any of you actually have paid attention and know this information or just hate to hate.
In 2014 Scott Linehan was hired
Look at Romo's stats and you will see that they are very similar to what Dak has done with the offense since he's been in the NFL. The only numbers that are really in Romo's favors are TD passes. But we'll look at the number and you will be suprised to see that it was and has been Linehan thats been the issue.
2014 Romo numbers
247yrds a game passing. Isnt that where Daks been avg'n at his whole career?
in 2014 Romo had 7 games of 250 or more yrds and only 1 game over 300. This yr Dak had 6 over 250 and 2 over 300. In 2017 Dak has 5 over 250 and 1 over 300. 2016 he had 5 over 250 and 2 over 300.
2014 Romo was at 69% comp rate, Dak has been 67,62,67% from 2016 -2018
Romo was 8.52avg per attemp, as Dak has been 8, 6.2, 7.4 from 2016-2018
Romo had been a consistent 350yrd passer per game his entire career before 2014. How did he dip 100yrds per game in 1 yr? Maybe the offense? A offense that put more emphasis on run game and the same routes? Oh there the the narrative that Romo was changing the plays and there was more success...Yes he changed some plays and made some great things happen. But the stats dont lie. He was running the same plays and doing the same things Dak has been his entire Career.
WE saw Romo falling to the ground plenty as the blitz would come right up the gut did we not?
Now this thread isnt a rip at Romo because i have said plenty of times, that i think 2014 was Romo best yr of his career because the offense saved him from himself and set a limit on how much of a gunslinger he plaid. Because up to that point in his career the guy was a int machine. This post is just to show some of you that the starting QB has had the limited statline from 2014 to 2018. Even with the hero Romo.
One thing the system did was provide consistent wins because it kept things simple and high percentage plays and had a OL that nobody could beat. But the problem came to being 5 yrs of tape and 5 yrs of the same play scheme with no alteration. No adjustments, no tweaks. If LInehan would've added to a working system he would still be OC and dallas probably would've been to a superbowl in those 5 yrs of running his offense.
All the OP is saying is that Dak isn’t as horrible as people make him out to be. The fact that people expect a 4th round pick in his 3rd year to be as good or if not better than Romo towards the end of his career or Aaron’s Rodgers or Tom Brady is ludicrous. He may not develop into a super bowl winning QB but we don’t know for sure. All these bozos standing around claiming that he isn’t have no clue about what the future holds. Let the kid develop, let’s see what changes Moore implements.
Got proof of this?
Because according to Football Outsiders, in 2014, Romo's pass yards traveled in the air would rank in the Top 5 of the league at 9.18 yards.
I didn't prove anything if anything it proves Dak is more helped by YAC than Romo was. Romo had longer in the air passes than Dak. Too bad NexGen was not around during 2014 season. Look at the scatter charts for Dak going back to 2016 even though it does not have all of them, the majority of Daks passes are 10 yards or less.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/pass/dallas-cowboys/2018/week
Lol jesus, its amazing that not one person in this thread has even acknowledged the fact that this thread was about the similarities on production between romo and dak under Linehans offense. None even acknowledged that Romo and Dak were neck and neck in 250 and 300 yrd games. They both avgd 247 yrds passing and both fumbled alot. Both had trouble with the route tree being run, and both had a great running game that kept them from having to carry the team. Both had success in terms of wins, but both struggled in the middle of football games. If any of you think Romo didnt struggle in 2nd and 3rd quarters in 2014 then you either dont know what youre watching in tv, or youre just a liar and refuse to say so. This forum was just a nuts on game day with the lack of consistency in 2014 and the Dak yrs.
Its a shame none of you can actually debate anything other then minimizing anything about this QB. Can the mods make a section where you get automatically banned if you dont contribute more then the dak cliche in a thread? lol
Lol jesus, its amazing that not one person in this thread has even acknowledged the fact that this thread was about the similarities on production between romo and dak under Linehans offense. None even acknowledged that Romo and Dak were neck and neck in 250 and 300 yrd games. They both avgd 247 yrds passing and both fumbled alot. Both had trouble with the route tree being run, and both had a great running game that kept them from having to carry the team. Both had success in terms of wins, but both struggled in the middle of football games. If any of you think Romo didnt struggle in 2nd and 3rd quarters in 2014 then you either dont know what youre watching in tv, or youre just a liar and refuse to say so. This forum was just a nuts on game day with the lack of consistency in 2014 and the Dak yrs.
Its a shame none of you can actually debate anything other then minimizing anything about this QB. Can the mods make a section where you get automatically banned if you dont contribute more then the dak cliche in a thread? lol
Linehan could've been very good, and couldve been a HC again if he would've put in the work to add to a fairly successful scheme. In Romo and Daks first yr in the offense they were great. But after having that yr you have to add more because the film is out. If you dont as Linehan didnt all you have is predictability
Comparisons only made to highlight the fact that even the best have stats that mirror Dak. No where was it stated that because of it Dak was destined to become the next Brady or Rodgers.Then maybe stop comparing him to Brady and Rodgers? Would be a good start.
in 2014 romo had 9 fumblesAgain if you mention Prescott in a thread it will turn into a Prescott thread. It laways happens and it will always continue. As far as at least one of the things you said, you lumped Romo in with Prescott as fumbling a lot. Well here some stats for you to rethink that. Romo for the 11 seasons he started (didn't fumble in any game before being a starter) averaged 5.63 fumbles per season and lost 2.45 fumbles per season. That's hardley a lot. Bress averages 5.83 fumbles a season and loses 2.2 per season. Brady averages 6.15 fumbles per season and loses 2.47 per season. So Romo fumled less person and lost fewer per season that QB's like Brady and Brees. Do you still want to say Romo fumbled a lot? BTW Prescott avaerges 8.33 fumbles per season and loses 4.3 per season which puts him on pace to beat Brett Favres record of 165 fumbles.
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in 2014 romo had 9 fumbles
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm
romo fumbles by yrs
9,10,13,6,0,7,6,4,9,1
65 fumbles 6.5 per yr
Thers 2 yrs where he only played 6 games2010(0) and 4 games2015(1)
take those 2 yrs out 64 fumbles in 8 yrs which is 8 fumbles a yr.
Dak 9,4,12
8.3
even that stat is the same
in 2014 romo had 9 fumbles
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm
romo fumbles by yrs
9,10,13,6,0,7,6,4,9,1
65 fumbles 6.5 per yr
Thers 2 yrs where he only played 6 games2010(0) and 4 games2015(1)
take those 2 yrs out 64 fumbles in 8 yrs which is 8 fumbles a yr.
Dak 9,4,12
8.3
even that stat is the same
clearly you didnt look at the link or comprehend on how i was referencing the 65 fumbles total and 64. I dont have the engery to explain it again. If you want to figure it out reread until u understand why i posted 65 fucmbles then 64 fumbles.First what I said was the word you obviously missed called avaerage. Second the only year Romo had 9 fumbles was his 1st starting 2006. Third in 2014 Romo had 7 fumbles. Forth, all of the stats I gave were the total number of fumbles for divided by the number of years as a starter. Romo 11, Brees 18, Brady 19. Fifth, even if Romo didn't play in every game in any year, he did play is some and therefore those years get averaged in as a year as a starter. Sixth, since your pro football reference has the wrong numbers for 2014 maybe you should use the stats on NFL that has Romo's total fumbles at 62 not 65, who I trust more than some outside site. Lastly you can't even keep straight what numbers you're using with in one place you have 65 fumbles and then in another you say 64 fumbles. Check NFL and use ALL years where Romo started a game in your averages. What you're trying to do is to say that if a QB has a passer rating of X you say it would be lower if you don't count his season with his highest passer rating.
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clearly you didnt look at the link or comprehend on how i was referencing the 65 fumbles total and 64. I dont have the engery to explain it again. If you want to figure it out reread until u understand why i posted 65 fucmbles then 64 fumbles.