MySa Blog: Choice wouldn't mind trade

[birdwells1]

I actually agree with you on Choices right to speak up about his career. I dont blame him or fault him. But i wont act as if selfish behavior is good for the team. It's good for him. And in the same situation i may do the same thing. Im sure he wants success for the team. All the players do. But lets not act like they dont want their success even more. These are confident young men who all believe the team would be better off with them starting. But they will all put their personal financial situation first. As we all would as well.

My reason for responding to your post was because you were acting like choice came out and spoke because he was only caring about the team.

The nature of the sport is that you are on a team with guys you may route for and love in a sense. But you are also competing with them for playing time which equals money. Every back up player in some way is hoping for the starter to fail or get injured. Kind of sucks to think of it like that. But its true.

This may be the truest post ever on this board. People don't want to see this side but even the darlings of the league (Mannings, Brady, McNabb) think of themselves first. They just have carefully sculpted images that make you think otherwise.

 

[isawoj]

In 2008 these are the players who were comparable to, or better, than Choice:

Kevin Faulk, Peyton Hillis, Felix Jones, Jerome Harrison, Tatum Bell, Brandon Jackson, J.J. Arrington, Ryan Moats,

Those are some pretty scary names.

As far as the Wildcat, do you want to compare Choice's production to Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams?

Brown - 19.1% Broken Tackle Rate, 3.0 AVG Yards After Contact
Williams - 6.2% Broken Tackle Rate, 2.7 AVG Yards After Contact

You obviously either love MBIII or dislike Choice, because again, Brown and Williams run a much more diverse and sophisticated set of wildcat plays and there are too many variables to these stats to be very meaningful.

 

[Rampage]

Wow. I guess all these people who were comparing Choice to Emmitt and speaking like he was the best back on the team wont want to read this.



This breakout game i keep hearing about was just 3.8 ypc?
Interesting....

he also had 70 yards recieving that game against the #1 defense and eventual Superbowl champs

How long ago was it that people loved his energy in situations like that? How quickly the tables turn.

Barber had the 10th highest success rate in the league this year, in 2008 he was 42nd. That's a massive improvement and was a return to form for him. Barber finished the year with a high success rate and a high performance over average, that's the mark of a RB who gets the yards needed and extra. Barber's inability to convert on a few goal line and 4th down plays this year really stick out and are the root of a lot of the criticism, but the simple fact is that he's not a bad player. There's no reason to replace Barber with Choice in short yardage, Choice isn't as good of a short yardage runner. There's no reason to take carries away from Felix and give them to Choice, because Felix is just plain better. Choice is the third back for a reason, he's the least notable of the three.

I don't care about this success rate stat cause he wasn't anywhere near the 10 best backs in the league. my critism isn't because of some goalline stand. my critism is because he's one of if not the slowest back in the league, can't stay healthy, doesn't run like he used too and gets too many carries for being so slow.

 

[Angus]

Did his soundbytes make Miles Austin a better player?

No. But it goosed Garrett into doing some things differently. All for the better.

 

[masomenos]

I don't care about this success rate stat cause he wasn't anywhere near the 10 best backs in the league. my critism isn't because of some goalline stand. my critism is because he's one of if not the slowest back in the league, can't stay healthy, doesn't run like he used too and gets too many carries for being so slow.

Despite being so painfully slow and fragile, he had very solid production for his # of carries. Look at all of the other RBs who had carries similar to Barber, within a 10% +/- range.


229 - Frank Gore - 1120 yards, 4.9 YPC, 11 of 20+, 10 TD

224 - Brandon Jacobs - 835 yards, 3.7 YPC, 2 of 20+, 5 TD

223 - Ladanian Tomlinson - 730 yards, 3.3 YPC, 3 of 20+, 12 TD

221 - Jonathan Stewart - 1133 yards, 5.1 YPC, 11 of 20+, 10 TD

219 - Joseph Addai - 828 yards, 3.8 YPC, 2 of 20+, 10 TD

217 - Kevin Smith - 747 yards, 3.4 YPC, 2 of 20+, 4 TD

216 - DeAngelo Williams - 1117 yards, 5.2 YPC, 7 of 20+, 7 TD

214 - Marion Barber - 932 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 of 20+, 7 TD

210 - Cadillac Williams - 821 yards, 3.9 YPC, 7 of 20+, 4 TD

194 - Laurence Maroney - 757 yards, 3.9 YPC, 2 of 20+, 9 TD

194 - Jerome Harrison - 862 yards, 4.4 YPC, 3 of 20+, 5 TD


So, there are 11 players on that list, including Barber.

Only 3 had more yards.

Only 3 had a higher YPC.

4 had more 20+ yard runs.

5 had more TDs.

Of this group, the only ones that are clearly better than Barber are Gore, Stewart and Williams.

So much of the criticism levied on Barber is unwarranted. He is an above average performer in his role, yet people are clamoring for him to be cut. It's ridiculous.

 

[tunahelper]

****ing Marion Barber....

Barber should be served his pink slip, so TC can utilized.

 

[Dodger]

Barber had the 10th highest success rate in the league this year, in 2008 he was 42nd. That's a massive improvement and was a return to form for him. Barber finished the year with a high success rate and a high performance over average, that's the mark of a RB who gets the yards needed and extra. Barber's inability to convert on a few goal line and 4th down plays this year really stick out and are the root of a lot of the criticism, but the simple fact is that he's not a bad player. There's no reason to replace Barber with Choice in short yardage, Choice isn't as good of a short yardage runner. There's no reason to take carries away from Felix and give them to Choice, because Felix is just plain better. Choice is the third back for a reason, he's the least notable of the three.

Despite being so painfully slow and fragile, he had very solid production for his # of carries. Look at all of the other RBs who had carries similar to Barber, within a 10% +/- range.


229 - Frank Gore - 1120 yards, 4.9 YPC, 11 of 20+, 10 TD

224 - Brandon Jacobs - 835 yards, 3.7 YPC, 2 of 20+, 5 TD

223 - Ladanian Tomlinson - 730 yards, 3.3 YPC, 3 of 20+, 12 TD

221 - Jonathan Stewart - 1133 yards, 5.1 YPC, 11 of 20+, 10 TD

219 - Joseph Addai - 828 yards, 3.8 YPC, 2 of 20+, 10 TD

217 - Kevin Smith - 747 yards, 3.4 YPC, 2 of 20+, 4 TD

216 - DeAngelo Williams - 1117 yards, 5.2 YPC, 7 of 20+, 7 TD

214 - Marion Barber - 932 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 of 20+, 7 TD

210 - Cadillac Williams - 821 yards, 3.9 YPC, 7 of 20+, 4 TD

194 - Laurence Maroney - 757 yards, 3.9 YPC, 2 of 20+, 9 TD

194 - Jerome Harrison - 862 yards, 4.4 YPC, 3 of 20+, 5 TD


So, there are 11 players on that list, including Barber.

Only 3 had more yards.

Only 3 had a higher YPC.

4 had more 20+ yard runs.

5 had more TDs.

Of this group, the only ones that are clearly better than Barber are Gore, Stewart and Williams.

So much of the criticism levied on Barber is unwarranted. He is an above average performer in his role, yet people are clamoring for him to be cut. It's ridiculous.

Somebody had to say it.

Thank you. Those are two of the best posts I've seen here in a while.

 

[isawoj]

Despite being so painfully slow and fragile, he had very solid production for his # of carries. Look at all of the other RBs who had carries similar to Barber, within a 10% +/- range.


229 - Frank Gore - 1120 yards, 4.9 YPC, 11 of 20+, 10 TD

224 - Brandon Jacobs - 835 yards, 3.7 YPC, 2 of 20+, 5 TD

223 - Ladanian Tomlinson - 730 yards, 3.3 YPC, 3 of 20+, 12 TD

221 - Jonathan Stewart - 1133 yards, 5.1 YPC, 11 of 20+, 10 TD

219 - Joseph Addai - 828 yards, 3.8 YPC, 2 of 20+, 10 TD

217 - Kevin Smith - 747 yards, 3.4 YPC, 2 of 20+, 4 TD

216 - DeAngelo Williams - 1117 yards, 5.2 YPC, 7 of 20+, 7 TD

214 - Marion Barber - 932 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 of 20+, 7 TD

210 - Cadillac Williams - 821 yards, 3.9 YPC, 7 of 20+, 4 TD

194 - Laurence Maroney - 757 yards, 3.9 YPC, 2 of 20+, 9 TD

194 - Jerome Harrison - 862 yards, 4.4 YPC, 3 of 20+, 5 TD


So, there are 11 players on that list, including Barber.

Only 3 had more yards.

Only 3 had a higher YPC.

4 had more 20+ yard runs.

5 had more TDs.

Of this group, the only ones that are clearly better than Barber are Gore, Stewart and Williams.

So much of the criticism levied on Barber is unwarranted. He is an above average performer in his role, yet people are clamoring for him to be cut. It's ridiculous.

Moving in another direction. If the coaches feel MBIII and Jones will carry the load and Choice may get spot play and be used in much the same way and about the same amount of plays as last year, do you keep him or trade him? What are the pluses and minuses of each.

Also, I appreciate the research you've done.

 

[Bleu Star]

Do you think Choice should start over Barber?

Yes...

Next question...

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Yes...

Next question...

Agrees with this...

 

[Future]

Just shut the **** up, Tashard.

don't even need to read the other 4 pages...co-sign

I like the guy. But shut up.

 

[Rampage]

Despite being so painfully slow and fragile, he had very solid production for his # of carries. Look at all of the other RBs who had carries similar to Barber, within a 10% +/- range.


229 - Frank Gore - 1120 yards, 4.9 YPC, 11 of 20+, 10 TD

224 - Brandon Jacobs - 835 yards, 3.7 YPC, 2 of 20+, 5 TD

223 - Ladanian Tomlinson - 730 yards, 3.3 YPC, 3 of 20+, 12 TD

221 - Jonathan Stewart - 1133 yards, 5.1 YPC, 11 of 20+, 10 TD

219 - Joseph Addai - 828 yards, 3.8 YPC, 2 of 20+, 10 TD

217 - Kevin Smith - 747 yards, 3.4 YPC, 2 of 20+, 4 TD

216 - DeAngelo Williams - 1117 yards, 5.2 YPC, 7 of 20+, 7 TD

214 - Marion Barber - 932 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 of 20+, 7 TD

210 - Cadillac Williams - 821 yards, 3.9 YPC, 7 of 20+, 4 TD

194 - Laurence Maroney - 757 yards, 3.9 YPC, 2 of 20+, 9 TD

194 - Jerome Harrison - 862 yards, 4.4 YPC, 3 of 20+, 5 TD


So, there are 11 players on that list, including Barber.

Only 3 had more yards.

Only 3 had a higher YPC.

4 had more 20+ yard runs.

5 had more TDs.

Of this group, the only ones that are clearly better than Barber are Gore, Stewart and Williams.

So much of the criticism levied on Barber is unwarranted. He is an above average performer in his role, yet people are clamoring for him to be cut. It's ridiculous.

seriously? let's look at some of these runningbacks closer.

Brandon Jacobs - Giants whole team had a down year. also Jacobs has out rushed Barber 2 out of the last 3 years.

LT - the 30 year old back who just got released

Joseph Addai - didn't the Colts have the worst rushing attack in the league?

Kevin Smith - who? does he play for the Lions?

Cadillac Williams - didn't this guy tear his knee 2 years in a row?

Maroney - still had more tds than Barber

Harrison - who? is the one who plays for the Browns?

maybe i'm underrating Barber but maybe you are overrating him.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Yes...

Next question...

Agreed.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

seriously? let's look at some of these runningbacks closer.

Brandon Jacobs - Giants whole team had a down year. also Jacobs has out rushed Barber 2 out of the last 3 years.

LT - the 30 year old back who just got released

Joseph Addai - didn't the Colts have the worst rushing attack in the league?

Kevin Smith - who? does he play for the Lions?

Cadillac Williams - didn't this guy tear his knee 2 years in a row?

Maroney - still had more tds than Barber

Harrison - who? is the one who plays for the Browns?

maybe i'm underrating Barber but maybe you are overrating him.

We all overrated Barber after the 07 season.

We should have just tendered him or signed Michael Turner in 2008. Wade really made a push to get him but Jerry got head over heels for Barber.

What a huge mistake.

 

[Arch Stanton]

I'm starting to think that someone gets traded in the next couple of weeks.

Choice, MartyBS......someone else......

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I'm starting to think that someone gets traded in the next couple of weeks.

Choice, MartyBS......someone else......

I say, if you can get a 2nd for MartyB then take back your investment and call it a day. We have a 27 year old probowl TE and Phillips showed he can play a bigger role.

Use that 2nd to help out other areas of the team.

 

[Sarge]

if you're gonna run the wildcat call another play other than the counter left with Bigg pulling.

:signmast:

 

[tunahelper]

I am glad TC is speaking out. The B.S. with running twinnkle toe, hurt all the time Barber has run its course.

TC knows he is better and is tired of watching Barber dance while he sits.

Keep up the pressure TC!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

FWIW... Mosley was at the Combine the last several days, and he said he talked to a lot of personnel people about our RBs. The consensus was that Barber is pretty much untradeable because of his contract and "GMs know what he is". He said there was some interest in Choice depending on the price.

Then Stephen Jones said he wasn't giving away any of his players, but might trade someone if they got blown away with an offer.

So it sounds like nothing will happen unless some team really likes Choice. Which I guess is possible.

Oh, and I guess TC forgot that the 50 or 60 yard run he had against the Raiders was to the right.

 

[WoodysGirl]

FWIW... Mosley was at the Combine the last several days, and he said he talked to a lot of personnel people about our RBs. The consensus was that Barber is pretty much untradeable because of his contract and "GMs know what he is". He said there was some interest in Choice depending on the price.

Then Stephen Jones said he wasn't giving away any of his players, but might trade someone if they got blown away with an offer.

So it sounds like nothing will happen unless some team really likes Choice. Which I guess is possible.

Oh, and I guess TC forgot that the 50 or 60 yard run he had against the Raiders was to the right.

I really wish I could sticky things like this on a few peoples foreheads.