Name the HC's You'd Prefer to Parcells...

[wxcpo]

My top 10 if I want to win it all in the next couple seasons;

1. Jimmy
1a. Belichick
2. Fox
3. Shanahan
4. Cowher
5. Reid
6. Fisher
7. Parcells
8. Dungy
9. Bellick
10. Green

These are the guys I would want in order if I am rebuilding a team and want a coach that is going to develop some young talent and stick around for several seasons;

1. Lewis
2. Belichick
3. Smith
4. Saban
5. Weiss

 

[chinch]

but thats not what you asked originally...you said name any coach one would prefer, retired or not, under contract or not...

I know right off the top of my head I'd take Bill Belichick, Nick Saban, Jimmy Johnson and John Fox any day of the week over Parcells...I'd take Joe Gibbs over Parcells...I'd take Tom Coughlin over Parcells...

ROTF when you list with authority guys like Jimmy 62-7 Johnson, Fox and Coughlin.

but the bottom line is you kool aid drinkers can spin it any way you want, but 5 million plus a yr for what we've seen so far has been a huge waste of money David

ROTFLMAO. What are you Jerruh's accountant now too?

 

[dbair1967]

why is everyone on Saban's jock? Parcells did better his 1st year, than Saban did his 1st year in Miami, so how about we wait a little bit?

he won one more game than Saban did, but there is little argument that the Dolphins were playing WAY better than Parcells 1st team at the end of the year...that team got alot BETTER as the yr wore on...they won their last 6 games and finished 2nd in the league in sacks

he loses well regarded Scott Linehan, but brings in well regarded Mike Mularkey to replace him...he makes a good defense better by bringing in Dom Capers to be DC...they are legitimately a couple or three players away from being a really really good team

David

 

[dbair1967]

ROTF when you list with authority guys like Jimmy 62-7 Johnson, Fox and Coughlin.


ROTFLMAO. What are you Jerruh's accountant now too?

last time I checked, Fox had done alot more in the last 3 years as a HC as Parcells has, or do you want to try and spin that too? Jmmy did something Parcells never did, win back to back super bowls and built a team that won 3 of 4...Coughlin won consistently in Jacksonville and turned a dreadful 2004 Giants team into a 2005 division winner

as for being Jerruh's accountant, are you trying to tell me that making 4.5 mils a yr for 6-10 and 9-7 seasons was worth a million+ a RAISE? It's called return on investment, and right now there is no return on the investment...one fluke playoff yr (in which we were embarrassed in the loss) out of 3 doesnt do much for me...

David

 

[superpunk]

he won one more game than Saban did, but there is little argument that the Dolphins were playing WAY better than Parcells 1st team at the end of the year...that team got alot BETTER as the yr wore on...they won their last 6 games and finished 2nd in the league in sacks

LMAO. The last game they lost, was to the Cleveland Browns - 22-0. Over their last six games, they played only 2 winning teams - the Chargers, who totally layed down and died, in addition to LT being injured, and the Pats, who played starters for the first quarter, and thought soooo much of the game that they trotted Flutie out there for a meaningless drop kick.

The Dolphins weren't playing that great. They allowed three TDs in the first quarter to the freaking Bills, and because the Bills couldn't figure out that you might just want to double Chambers, they got beat by a single point. They beat the Jets by 4, and that was a comeback as well.

Bottom line, the Dolphins had a soft schedule to finish the year, we did not. Their list of opponents is full of teams picking in the top 10 of the draft, while ours was full of playoff teams.

 

[dbair1967]

Bottom line, the Dolphins had a soft schedule to finish the year, we did not. Their list of opponents is full of teams picking in the top 10 of the draft, while ours was full of playoff teams.

they still won 6 straight games, which is somethign we've never done under Parcells...also, I was comparing Saban's first yr with Parcells...you say they ebat up on a soft schedule, well apparently you need some reminding-

2003 Cowboys games vs playoff teams- Philly (1-1) Carolina (1-0, though 1-1 if you count the blowout loss in the playoffs) and New England (shutout loss)...thats it...3 playoff teams were on our schedule from 2003, and we won 2 and lost 3...I guess I could add in we played a 10-6 Miami team, but unfortunately for that argument we were absolutely blown out at home...the rest of our schedule featured games against 5-11 Washington (2), 4-12 Giants (2) 5-11 Atlanta, 7-9 Tampa Bay, 5-11 Detroit, 6-10 Buffalo and Jets, 8-8 Saints 4-12 Arizona...that is quite possible one of the EASIEST schedules any team has ever had

2005 Dolphins...games played vs playoff teams, Denver (w), Carolina (w) New England (1-1) and Tampa (loss)...same amount of games, and actually a better record

so what exactly were you saying about soft schedules and us playing a schedule full of playoff teams again?

David

 

[conner01]

it's kinda funny to me that so many say cowher who has had over a decade with the same team and has'nt won a super bowl but yet want bill gone because he has'nt taken the boys to a super bowl in 3 yrs.

 

[DipChit]

I had to read this twice. I thought you were talking about BP...I saw 3 out of 5 years instead of 2 out of 3. Both BP and Vermeil are old.

Yeah that was my point. Why bother replacing one with the other.

About the only 2 guys I'm terribly impressed with over the last number of years is Belichick and Cowher. They've shown ability to win rather consistently even with a lot of guys named "Joe" as opposed to some sort of Triplets or "greatest show on turf" scenario. It's not simply about winning SB's. It about getting the most out of the players you have.

Yeah one can say a guy like Cowher comes up short but when his QB's have been the likes of O'Donnell, Stewart, Maddox, etc.. um ya.

But these guys like Shanahan who hadnt even won a playoff game in 6 or 7 years without Elway/Davis type players, or a Holmgren who hadnt done it in about the same amount of time without Favre/Reggie White dont particularly do anything for me.

And anybody whos only been coaching a year or 2 dont even count yet cause for all anyone knows they'll just be another Billick.

I'll give honorable mentions to guys like Fisher, Coughlin and Fox because they seem pretty solid.

To me the best HC's arent the guys all into X' and O's.. but those who can get their players to give them all they have as often as possible. Whether it's to prove the coach right in a case like Vermeil where it's a love fest or to prove them wrong when it's a coach thats never satisfied.

But even that will only get you so far because if you dont have the horses, you just dont have em.

It doesnt make one lick of difference what us fans think of the coach. What matters is what the players think of him.

 

[kingwhicker]

Barry Switzer.

 

[superpunk]

they still won 6 straight games, which is somethign we've never done under Parcells...also, I was comparing Saban's first yr with Parcells...you say they ebat up on a soft schedule, well apparently you need some reminding-

2003 Cowboys games vs playoff teams- Philly (1-1) Carolina (1-0, though 1-1 if you count the blowout loss in the playoffs) and New England (shutout loss)...thats it...3 playoff teams were on our schedule from 2003, and we won 2 and lost 3...I guess I could add in we played a 10-6 Miami team, but unfortunately for that argument we were absolutely blown out at home...the rest of our schedule featured games against 5-11 Washington (2), 4-12 Giants (2) 5-11 Atlanta, 7-9 Tampa Bay, 5-11 Detroit, 6-10 Buffalo and Jets, 8-8 Saints 4-12 Arizona...that is quite possible one of the EASIEST schedules any team has ever had

2005 Dolphins...games played vs playoff teams, Denver (w), Carolina (w) New England (1-1) and Tampa (loss)...same amount of games, and actually a better record

so what exactly were you saying about soft schedules and us playing a schedule full of playoff teams again?

David

Do I really have to remind you that our soft schedule in 03 came at the start of the year, then, when the tougher games cameup, we fell apart? Or how much luck was required to even win half those games? The Dolphins beat up on weak competition, which was the same thing we did at the start of 03.

 

[lspain1]

I only have two on my list. Johnson and Holmgren, and of those two Holmgren is much preferred over Johnson because you could not count on Johnson for the long haul as we can not count on Parcells for the long haul.

 

[VACowboy]

I want to see Parcells finish what he started, so to answer the question, none. But when it comes time to replace the Tuna I wouldn't mind Weiss, Ron Rivera or Russ Grimm.

 

[dbair1967]

Do I really have to remind you that our soft schedule in 03 came at the start of the year, then, when the tougher games cameup, we fell apart? Or how much luck was required to even win half those games? The Dolphins beat up on weak competition, which was the same thing we did at the start of 03.

well, unfortunately you are wrong...apparently you need the reminding, so here you go:

1 Sun, Sep 7 Atlanta L 13-27 (didnt make playoffs)
2 Mon, Sep 15 at NY Giants W (OT) 35-32 (didnt make playoffs)
3 BYE WEEK
4 Sun, Sep 28 at NY Jets W 17-6 (didnt make playoffs)
5 Sun, Oct 5 Arizona W 24-7 (didnt make playoffs)
6 Sun, Oct 12 Philadelphia W 23-21
7 Sun, Oct 19 at Detroit W 38-7 (didnt make playoffs)
8 Sun, Oct 26 at Tampa Bay L 0-16 (didnt make playoffs)
9 Sun, Nov 2 Washington W 21-14 (didnt make playoffs)
10 Sun, Nov 9 Buffalo W 10-6 (didnt make playoffs)
11 Sun, Nov 16 at New England L 0-12
12 Sun, Nov 23 Carolina W 24-20
13 Thu, Nov 27 Miami L 21-40 (didnt make playoffs)
14 Sun, Dec 7 at Philadelphia L 10-36
15 Sun, Dec 14 at Washington W 27-0 (didnt make playoffs)
16 Sun, Dec 21 NY Giants W 19-3 (didnt make playoffs)
Sun, Dec 28 at New Orleans L 7-13 (didnt make playoffs)

David

 

[AtlCB]

My top 10 if I want to win it all in the next couple seasons;

1. Jimmy
1a. Belichick
2. Fox
3. Shanahan
4. Cowher
5. Reid
6. Fisher
7. Parcells
8. Dungy
9. Bellick
10. Green

These are the guys I would want in order if I am rebuilding a team and want a coach that is going to develop some young talent and stick around for several seasons;

1. Lewis
2. Belichick
3. Smith
4. Saban
5. Weiss

You have seven coaches in your top six of who you would want if you want to win it now and less than half of the list have actually won a superbowl.

You have Belichick listed as part of you rebuiding coaches when he hasn't successfully rebuilt any program. You failed to mention Parcells as a rebuilding coach even though he has already turned around three awful teams and is working on a fourth.

 

[superpunk]

well, unfortunately you are wrong...apparently you need the reminding, so here you go:

1 Sun, Sep 7 Atlanta L 13-27 (didnt make playoffs)
2 Mon, Sep 15 at NY Giants W (OT) 35-32 (didnt make playoffs)
3 BYE WEEK
4 Sun, Sep 28 at NY Jets W 17-6 (didnt make playoffs)
5 Sun, Oct 5 Arizona W 24-7 (didnt make playoffs)
6 Sun, Oct 12 Philadelphia W 23-21
7 Sun, Oct 19 at Detroit W 38-7 (didnt make playoffs)
8 Sun, Oct 26 at Tampa Bay L 0-16 (didnt make playoffs)
9 Sun, Nov 2 Washington W 21-14 (didnt make playoffs)
10 Sun, Nov 9 Buffalo W 10-6 (didnt make playoffs)
11 Sun, Nov 16 at New England L 0-12
12 Sun, Nov 23 Carolina W 24-20
13 Thu, Nov 27 Miami L 21-40 (didnt make playoffs)
14 Sun, Dec 7 at Philadelphia L 10-36
15 Sun, Dec 14 at Washington W 27-0 (didnt make playoffs)
16 Sun, Dec 21 NY Giants W 19-3 (didnt make playoffs)
Sun, Dec 28 at New Orleans L 7-13 (didnt make playoffs)

David

48-80

70-58

Would you like an interpretation of those numbers? The first set, is the combined records of the teams we faced in the first half of the season. The second set is the records of the teams we faced in the second half of the season. But hey, thanks for setting me straight with all the playoff team comparisons. You can get hung up on the semantics if you want, the point made is that the first half schedule was much softer than the second half, which was conversely true with the Dolphins this year.

 

[dbair1967]

48-80

70-58

Would you like an interpretation of those numbers? The first set, is the combined records of the teams we faced in the first half of the season. The second set is the records of the teams we faced in the second half of the season. But hey, thanks for setting me straight with all the playoff team comparisons. You can get hung up on the semantics if you want, the point made is that the first half schedule was much softer than the second half, which was conversely true with the Dolphins this year.

spin spin spin

you cant change the fact that both were fairly easy schedules and that the Fins only one won less game than the Cowboys in 2003, and they actually had a BETTER record against good teams than we did...again, the Fins did win 6 straight games and finished 2nd in the league in sacks...they have a very solid coaching staff in place and momentum from the end of this yr...we have niether

David

 

[hogwild]

In no particular order I would take Kirk Ferentz, Bobby Stoops, or Gary Kubiak over Parcells simply because they are young and if they turn out to be successful there's a good chance they could be here 15 years. Before anybody rags on my choices and says something like they are unproven. Let me just say what has Parcells proven in his 3 years here? He is one game over .500 and realistically I don't see a super bowl with the players he's brought in so far. Our O-line is old and in shambles. Our QB (while good) is also way past his prime. We have two old WR's., A good young TE and a decent RB when he is healthy. Our Defense could be excellent but really is our D much better now than when the short curly haired guy was running it??
I don't think so.

nice post but would also add the louisville coach in there also

 

[superpunk]

spin spin spin

you cant change the fact that both were fairly easy schedules and that the Fins only one won less game than the Cowboys in 2003, and they actually had a BETTER record against good teams than we did...again, the Fins did win 6 straight games and finished 2nd in the league in sacks...they have a very solid coaching staff in place and momentum from the end of this yr...we have niether

David

Not spin, you were just wrong. There's a reason they had momentum - inferior competition. The comparison to the 2003 Cowboys fast start was valid, whether you like it or not. Their very solid coaching staff consists of Nick Saban, who finished his first year with a worse record than BP did. Who's to say the Dolphins won't fall apart next year like we did in 04?

 

[dbair1967]

Not spin, you were just wrong. There's a reason they had momentum - inferior competition. The comparison to the 2003 Cowboys fast start was valid, whether you like it or not. Their very solid coaching staff consists of Nick Saban, who finished his first year with a worse record than BP did. Who's to say the Dolphins won't fall apart next year like we did in 04?

ok, whatever

Parcells is God, nobody is better than him (even though his record during his past ten coaching years is mediocre at best)

David

 

[superpunk]

ok, whatever

Parcells is God, nobody is better than him (even though his record during his past ten coaching years is mediocre at best)

David

If that's how you want to feel, go ahead. I'd much rather be realistic about the whole situation.