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[cowboyjoe]

I understood you. I'm not saying anything against you. It's fine to debate anything. If I weren't upset over the Eagles kicking our *** so much the last decade plus I wouldn't point it out. Believe me it's not something I'm proud about. Kinda like shooting me in the knee then me having to limp around with it. I'll be happy when Reid retires or stops winning esp against us.

yep me too i cant stand andy reid;

and i sure dont like mcnabb either, now westbrook i can live with or accept, but he is about the only eagle i like, since their good safety left for denver;

 

[BAT]

jobberone, i agree with what you saying, i think you misunderstood me, i was trying to say what nate newton said, that the cowboys havent drafted wisely in the offensive line and it hurt us last year, may hurt us this year too, but hopefully not;

to me, nate newton is an offensive guard that has played the game and he knows what he sees on the field.

even nate said mcquistan wasnt getting it done, he would let the defensive linemen in training camp beat him with the same play defensive stunt over and over, that a good offensive linemen shouldnt let that happen

and at same time, nate said that doug free has something to him, but the cowboys werent putting him on the field;

Can anyone elaborate on this? I'm sure everyone has been wondering about Free.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Can anyone elaborate on this? I'm sure everyone has been wondering about Free.

it was on the ktbb show with nate newton, dont remember when, but nate was asking who on the offensive line during training camp, who he liked

nate said he didnt like mcquistan because he kept making the same mistakes over and over

but when nate watched doug free he had something too him

thats all i remember;

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The Eagles did a great job drafting O-Line? Huh...that must be why they just had to spend money on their O-Line in free agency, and trade, this offseason cause the guys they drafted are so stellar.

 

[THUMPER]

Here's Big Nate talking about the Cowboys handling of the Offensive Line over the last few seasons...

Nate talks with David Smoak

If Andy Reid and his staff are so great at finding offensive line talent then how come they drafted Maz Jean-Gilles and Winston Justice in recent years and neither are starting for them?

Both Max Jean Giles and Winston Justice were outstanding college players. Justice was truly dominant in college but for some reason that has not translated to the NFL.

Neither guy was a "bad" pick in terms of being a reach or where everyone "knew" they were not going to be great, but neither has panned out as they hoped either.

 

[dcfanatic]

Both Max Jean Giles and Winston Justice were outstanding college players. Justice was truly dominant in college but for some reason that has not translated to the NFL.

Neither guy was a "bad" pick in terms of being a reach or where everyone "knew" they were not going to be great, but neither has panned out as they hoped either.

That's my point.

I know there were good college players and that's why they were drafted where they were.

Doesn't change the fact that they aren't starting now and that the Eagles had to go find guys to play in front of them from other teams.

Just like we did.

 

[silverbear]

LOL. Well my perspective is a tad bit longer.

So say "for a long time, the Iggles owned the Boys"... that would be accurate, but it's really not the last coupla years...

 

[jobberone]

So say "for a long time, the Iggles owned the Boys"... that would be accurate, but it's really not the last coupla years...

Now where did I say it was the last couple of years?

 

[adbutcher]

So say "for a long time, the Iggles owned the Boys"... that would be accurate, but it's really not the last coupla years...

Long time is not a quantifiable term because it is a matter of perspective. To my 6 yo, a long time is a week, lol.

If you go back far enough (what is far enough?) it will show that we own the iggles. But hey, it is much more negative to do it the way jobber suggests.

In reality in terms of the NFL, it is all about what have you done for me lately. You can make an legit argument that a long time can be 1-2 years. I know this offseason seems like a long time to me.

 

[jobberone]

Long time is not a quantifiable term because it is a matter of perspective. To my 6 yo, a long time is a week, lol.

If you go back far enough (what is far enough?) it will show that we own the iggles. But hey, it is much more negative to do it the way jobber suggests.

In reality in terms of the NFL, it is all about what have you done for me lately. You can make an legit argument that a long time can be 1-2 years. I know this offseason seems like a long time to me.

In a forum a long time ago an Eagle fan was chirping. I 'kindly' pointed out our record against them over the years. We had owned them.

Guess what. I ain't doing that no more. I'm too embarrassed by the last decade's debacle with the Eagles.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Both Max Jean Giles and Winston Justice were outstanding college players. Justice was truly dominant in college but for some reason that has not translated to the NFL.

Neither guy was a "bad" pick in terms of being a reach or where everyone "knew" they were not going to be great, but neither has panned out as they hoped either.

That can be said of any bad draft choice, they had "potential" that was not actualized, up to this point, simply bad picks.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I just think it ruins any credibilty that Nate should have about talking about our O-Line when he tries to use the Eagles drafting of O-Line as defense for ours being bad.

The Eagles haven't done well, at all, in a long while drafting their O-Line which is exactly why they've had to look to free agency and trades this offseason to shore up that line because the guys they brought in haven't done any better than the guys we've drafted.

Nate ruined anything he had to say by just randomly picking a team off the top of his head (And really it wasn't random probaby, he just picked the team that kicked our tails at the end of the year) and tried to play it off as if they've drafted so amazingly at the O-Line position.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I just think it ruins any credibilty that Nate should have about talking about our O-Line when he tries to use the Eagles drafting of O-Line as defense for ours being bad.

The Eagles haven't done well, at all, in a long while drafting their O-Line which is exactly why they've had to look to free agency and trades this offseason to shore up that line because the guys they brought in haven't done any better than the guys we've drafted.

Nate ruined anything he had to say by just randomly picking a team off the top of his head (And really it wasn't random probaby, he just picked the team that kicked our tails at the end of the year) and tried to play it off as if they've drafted so amazingly at the O-Line position.

well, what about the eagles drafting Shawn Andrews and Todd Herremans? Their not no slouches. Dont forget their center Jamaal Jackson either, a undrafted player signed as free agent best to my knowledge, thats my point to what nate was saying. The eagles drafted Andrews a number one pick, and Herremans a number 4 pick, both of those players were pretty good players. Then their center Jackson isnt no slouch

But what do the cowboys do, draft a pretty darn good player in stephen peterman and bill parcells makes him go back onto the field when he is hurt , and damages his knee. I will never forgive Parcells for that. Then the cowboys draft james marten, a total bust, then the cowboys draft doug free who has something to him, but they dont put him on the field.

thats what stinks, our drafting offensive linemen, and either their bad players that shouldnt have been drafted like jacob rogers was or they have a decent player like doug free and you wont play him. Thats stupid to me.

 

[cowboyjoe]

and this all goes back to wade philllips.

just like he said i dont trust felix jones on kickoffs, but when forced to after miles austin was hurt, you saw what felix did on kickoffs. then wade says, i dont trust tashard choice, but when felix got hurt and barber and wade was forced to play choice you saw the results.

Thats my point, how can you tell about players when you dont play them, practice them like you should in training camp with hitting etc. but you allow the players to run around in shorts for first 25 days. Then you give players a day off on monday after they play a sloppy game in arizona. And you as a head coach say, oh, im saving their legs so they dont have to practice.

Then, how in the world when you give players days off and not hitting in training camp to see what they can do, how in the heck can you honestly say, i dont trust them when you as a head coach dont work them.

thats what bugs the heck out of me.

 

[jobberone]

and this all goes back to wade philllips.

just like he said i dont trust felix jones on kickoffs, but when forced to after miles austin was hurt, you saw what felix did on kickoffs. then wade says, i dont trust tashard choice, but when felix got hurt and barber and wade was forced to play choice you saw the results.

Thats my point, how can you tell about players when you dont play them, practice them like you should in training camp with hitting etc. but you allow the players to run around in shorts for first 25 days. Then you give players a day off on monday after they play a sloppy game in arizona. And you as a head coach say, oh, im saving their legs so they dont have to practice.

Then, how in the world when you give players days off and not hitting in training camp to see what they can do, how in the heck can you honestly say, i dont trust them when you as a head coach dont work them.

thats what bugs the heck out of me.

I understand your sentiments. But look at the other side of that coin. Players get physically and mentally tired. And you can really get down after a big loss esp to a team you're supposed to beat easily. Turns out they weren't so easy to beat anyway.

If you order your slugging first baseman to lay down a bunt and the runner scores the winning run from third then you're a genius. If he pops it up into a double play and you lose you're a freakin idiot.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I understand your sentiments. But look at the other side of that coin. Players get physically and mentally tired. And you can really get down after a big loss esp to a team you're supposed to beat easily. Turns out they weren't so easy to beat anyway.

If you order your slugging first baseman to lay down a bunt and the runner scores the winning run from third then you're a genius. If he pops it up into a double play and you lose you're a freakin idiot.

i agree about that jobberone, but at same time, over and over, was stated this team is a sloppy football team. And how many times did wade say last year, we got outplayed on offense, defense, special teams and coaching.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I ask again, how do we know for sure that Doug Free would have done better than Flozell? Because Nate said so?

And the guy in cj's avatar didn't like playing rookies, either. But if anyone doesn't trust a young OLman to play, it's probably Houck and not Wade.

 

[cowboyjoe]

i agree about that jobberone, but at same time, over and over, was stated this team is a sloppy football team. And how many times did wade say last year, we got outplayed on offense, defense, special teams and coaching.

also jobberone, need i remind you, with the loss to the arizona game, and wade giving the players an extra day off after that sloppy game; the cowboys played who the next game,, the rams;

and remember what happened in that game, and remember what jerry jones did after that game? And how wade had to take over the defense.

you dont give players a day off after a sloppy game like the arizona game, you work them, if they dont like it, you work them alittle harder till they get the point, they should hate losing as much as you do, and till they correct those problems, you will work them even more.

till they start winning. Remember jobberone, all the offensive linemen said, we played a sloppy football game, all except for flozell adams, adams said he thought he played a pretty good game.

thats the problem to some degree, players like flozell got complancent, werent afraid to losing their jobs, etc, and took things for granted

10/19/08 ST LOUIS RAMS 34 Dallas Cowboys 14
10/12/08 ARIZONA CARDINALS 30 (OT) Dallas Cowboys 24

 

[jobberone]

i agree about that jobberone, but at same time, over and over, was stated this team is a sloppy football team. And how many times did wade say last year, we got outplayed on offense, defense, special teams and coaching.

It was sloppy under Parcells. Best to point that finger at those guilty.

 

[cowboyjoe]

It was sloppy under Parcells. Best to point that finger at those guilty.

hmmmmmm i dont remember it as sloppy as it was last year as parcells teams were, best i remember you never saw the QB sacked like 17 times in arizona game, you never saw 2 guys get through the punt blocking team untouched to the punter and scoring the touchdown; remember parcells said we will be ready for the blitz, in fact parcells said you will beg for teams to blitz you

but wade said i dont feel that we have to pass protect in preparation like parcells did, something like that, and you saw the results last year

jobberone, was just a sloppy sloppy football team last year, more than i saw even with dave campos teams, just sloppy

that comes again, when you dont allow hitting in practice first 25 days and you give players extra days off, you just dont run a camp like that

and i honestly believe this too; when wade gave the cowboys the day off after arizona game, he gave it for another reason, wade was dead tired, and bushed, so wade took part of the day off too, you know if the team isnt there your not working with them as much

just think about that;

thats why i think jerry jones asked for a time clock in the dan reeves contract, he saw what wade was doing, taking time off too