NBA Draft

[Mavs Man]

I would have liked the Mavs to take Big Baby at #34 for someone to spot Dirk at the 4 and be a presence in the low post, but oh well - we took another tall, skinny white guy who shoots three's and can't defend anyone.

The Knicks made a good trade - Randolph is going to be a beast in the East. Atlanta took the best player on their board at #3 (Horford) AND picked up a good PG in Acie Law IV. Is this a sign of the apocalypse?

As for the Celtics trade, they can be a competitive team with Allen, Pierce, Jefferson & co., but what happens in two years when Ray Allen's legs fall off?

 

[Vintage]

I would have liked the Mavs to take Big Baby at #34 for someone to spot Dirk at the 4 and be a presence in the low post, but oh well - we took another tall, skinny white guy who shoots three's and can't defend anyone.

The Knicks made a good trade - Randolph is going to be a beast in the East. Atlanta took the best player on their board at #3 (Horford) AND picked up a good PG in Acie Law IV. Is this a sign of the apocalypse?

As for the Celtics trade, they can be a competitive team with Allen, Pierce, Jefferson & co., but what happens in two years when Ray Allen's legs fall off?

How is Randolph and Curry going to co-exist? Neither is a stellar defender. Yeah, they can score. And Randolph can actually rebound, unlike Curry...but that is adding another black hole to that team (though, in getting rid of Francis, they subtracted one too).

But they did give up Frye, who was a good player for them. And they need to give David Lee more minutes, as he is a good player and actually goes all out when he plays.

But I guess Randolph does help the scoring department, seeing as how Curry does tend to score well in the first quarter before he becomes a non-factor.

 

[carphalen5150]

Seattle fleeced Ainge. What a nimwit. I know his hands were tied, but Allen?

One of the bigger things in that deal was unloading Wally. He has alot of years left on that deal and at a stiff price. So they got Big Baby and Allen for the 5, Wally, and West...that is a good deal for the Celtics. They don't need more youth at 5, so getting Allen was smart.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

OK...tell me who these young big men that are bulky are? Where is the guy that has Shaq's size?

Well, as was mentioned earlier, there has never been another player like Shaq so if your using him to context the fact that bigger players, in the pivot are not around any longer, I'd probably say that they really never were. However, that doesn't mean that big men in the post are not coming into the NBA.


As was mentioned earlier, you have Eddie Curry with the Knicks, who is 6-11 285lbs. He's becoming a dominant player in the post. You have Ilgauskas in Cleveland who goes 7-3 260lbs who is a decent player. You still have Jermaine O'Neal who goes 6-11 260lbs, still putting up good numbers. Andrew Bogut is a young guy who is already 7-0 250 and will continue to grow. He's going to be a good player IMO. Pachulia in Atlanta is a big guy. He goes 6-11 280 lbs. Okafor is a 6-10, 255 lbs player who is also still growing. He is going to be a real good post player as well, IMO. Of course you have Shaq and Alonzo in Miami but they also have the young Mike Doliac who I think is going to be a good player once he sees the court. Howard is 6-11 265 lbs, Darko Milicic is 7-0 275 lbs, both big guys. Dampier is 6-11 265 lbs. I'd say his game is average but he is a also a bigger guy. Both Mutombo and Ming are pretty big. I mean, Yao Ming is 7-6, 310 lbs. and he is becoming a very dominating player. I'd say he fits the mold pretty well. Duncan is not a Center but he plays more in the pivot then do most Forwards IMO. He's 6-11 260. Gasol from Memphis is probably 7-0 265 and he's an excellent player. Collison is 6-9, 260 and he plays the Center position for Seattle. I mean, for the size, he's big. Al Harrington is the same way. Elton Brand is the poster child for this kind of player. At 6-8, 255 lbs, he dominates inside. His team mate Kamen is also a big guy at 7-0 260 lbs. Lakers have Brown 6-11 270 lbs, Bynum 7-0 285 lbs and Chirs Mihm 7-0 265, all big guys who contibute. Stoudemire is 6-10 250 or so. He's going to get bigger and he is as dominating a young player as there is IMO. You got Brad Miller in Sacramento who is 7-0 260. He's an average player IMO but he's a bigger guy who's going to give you 10 pts and 7 boards a game. Not great but respectable.

These guys are not all great or dominating, by any means but then again, there have never been many dominating centers playing at one time in the NBA, so far as I can remember. You always have 3 to 5 guys that are real good and the rest are just OK. I think there are still good big mean, just not a lot of guys who are dominating the game right now. That will change as some of these younger guys emerge IMO.

 

[Vintage]

One of the bigger things in that deal was unloading Wally. He has alot of years left on that deal and at a stiff price. So they got Big Baby and Allen for the 5, Wally, and West...that is a good deal for the Celtics. They don't need more youth at 5, so getting Allen was smart.

No, it was terrible. Yeah, Wally's contract is bad...but its just for 2 more years and cheaper and shorter than Ray Allen's (about 5 mil per season cheaper, one year shorter)...

But Allen has maybe 3 good years in him left. With Allen and Pierce, they'll just be good enough to be a late lottery pick team. Meaning, they will fail to get the big prize player to turn around their franchise.

They were sitting at 4. Yi could have been had. Brandan Wright could have been had. Yeah, both are gambles, but that team isn't contending for anything with their roster now or the roster they could have had, anyway. May as well shoot for the stars. What's the point of being mired in mediocrity?

And West was a pretty solid "add-in" for Seattle.

 

[WoodysGirl]

All I'll say is that's it's hard being a Rockets fan. Need a power forward, no problem, we'll just pick another guard, and an undersized one, at that.

~sigh~

 

[carphalen5150]

No, it was terrible. Yeah, Wally's contract is bad...but its just for 2 more years and cheaper and shorter than Ray Allen's (about 5 mil per season cheaper, one year shorter)...

But Allen has maybe 3 good years in him left. With Allen and Pierce, they'll just be good enough to be a late lottery pick team. Meaning, they will fail to get the big prize player to turn around their franchise.

They were sitting at 4. Yi could have been had. Brandan Wright could have been had. Yeah, both are gambles, but that team isn't contending for anything with their roster now or the roster they could have had, anyway. May as well shoot for the stars. What's the point of being mired in mediocrity?

And West was a pretty solid "add-in" for Seattle.

They were actually sitting at 5 and both Brandon Wright and Yi play the 4...which is where Al Jefferson is, their best young player. They already have Gerald Green, Tony Allen, and Rajon Rondo, so another young guy was not really the right choice IMO. I like the deal for the Celtics and I am a SIxers fan.

The addition of Glen Davis cannot be overlooked either...that is a steal for them at 35.

 

[Yeagermeister]

All I'll say is that's it's hard being a Rockets fan. Need a power forward, no problem, we'll just pick another guard, and an undersized one, at that.

~sigh~

We'll send Stro back to you for Shane

 

[Mavs Man]

How is Randolph and Curry going to co-exist? Neither is a stellar defender. Yeah, they can score. And Randolph can actually rebound, unlike Curry...but that is adding another black hole to that team (though, in getting rid of Francis, they subtracted one too).

But they did give up Frye, who was a good player for them. And they need to give David Lee more minutes, as he is a good player and actually goes all out when he plays.

But I guess Randolph does help the scoring department, seeing as how Curry does tend to score well in the first quarter before he becomes a non-factor.

Randolph gives them another low post presence and a legit PF to play the 4. There are very few players in the East who can guard him. He may give up some defense, but Frye is not even close to producing the 25-10 that Randolph can and should in the East.

Curry is a terrible rebounder for his size, but he can play the 5 spot. David Lee is a solid player; I don't know if he's starter quality yet, but he'll still get quality minutes off the bench. Dumping Francis was a big plus; now, if they can get Marbury to man the PG position as a distributor (ha ha!) they may actually be a playoff team with Richardson and Crawford as the other G/F's.

 

[carphalen5150]

All I'll say is that's it's hard being a Rockets fan. Need a power forward, no problem, we'll just pick another guard, and an undersized one, at that.

~sigh~

That was an odd choice...Adelman wants to play more up tempo, but there were much better choices there. Considering they just got Mike James to go along with Alston it was a head scratcher.

 

[carphalen5150]

Randolph gives them another low post presence and a legit PF to play the 4. There are very few players in the East who can guard him. He may give up some defense, but Frye is not even close to producing the 25-10 that Randolph can and should in the East.

Curry is a terrible rebounder for his size, but he can play the 5 spot. David Lee is a solid player; I don't know if he's starter quality yet, but he'll still get quality minutes off the bench. Dumping Francis was a big plus; now, if they can get Marbury to man the PG position as a distributor (ha ha!) they may actually be a playoff team with Richardson and Crawford as the other G/F's.

I thought the Knicks did a great job. Randolph is a stud down low and they should win the Atlantic next year.

 

[WoodysGirl]

We'll send Stro back to you for Shane

Funny, but Stro might be a better fit now w/Adelman. But I'll give you Rafer instead.

That was an odd choice...Adelman wants to play more up tempo, but there were much better choices there. Considering they just got Mike James to go along with Alston it was a head scratcher.

No kidding.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Funny, but Stro might be a better fit now w/Adelman. But I'll give you Rafer instead.

No kidding.

No thanks you can keep Skip to my loo

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Curry is a terrible rebounder for his size, but he can play the 5 spot.

I tend to agree with you on Curry but he can score the rock and his rebounding numbers have increased fairly steadly as his career has gone on. He is developing as a better rebounder IMO. I think he will be even better, in this respect, next season. If Randolph, Cato and Morris can step up and contribute productive minutes, I think the Knicks might be able to do something. Of course, this assumes Marbury can grow up about 10 years between now and the start of the season.

 

[Vintage]

They were actually sitting at 5 and both Brandon Wright and Yi play the 4...which is where Al Jefferson is, their best young player. They already have Gerald Green, Tony Allen, and Rajon Rondo, so another young guy was not really the right choice IMO. I like the deal for the Celtics and I am a SIxers fan.

The addition of Glen Davis cannot be overlooked either...that is a steal for them at 35.

Yeah, I meant 5. Screwed up.

You can play with two "4's," especially in the East. Detroit does it all the time with Webber and Wallace. Cleveland does it when they go to small ball with Varejao and either Marshall or James at the "4." We do it when we have Wallace and Thomas (Wallace is a "C" but has the size of a 4).

But more importantly, Yi would have provided a nice "high-low" with Jefferson. It would have worked. They should have done that.

Instead, they chose to sit in medioricty with an aging Ray Allen and Paul Pierce. Jefferson is not going to put the C's over the hump.... They will struggle to make the playoffs....

Yeah, I know they are already young. But you have to get value when trading that high of a lottery pick. And Ray Allen isn't value, even if it means shedding Wally's contract (though, in a year it becomes an expiring contract and trade bait).

Garnett didn't want to come to Boston and said he would opt out. That forced things for Ainge. Ainge then settled for Ray Allen. And like you said, with their other young players (Green, Rondo, Allen) being G's....and with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, there is a crowded backcourt (esp. at the wings).

 

[Vintage]

Randolph gives them another low post presence and a legit PF to play the 4. There are very few players in the East who can guard him. He may give up some defense, but Frye is not even close to producing the 25-10 that Randolph can and should in the East.

Curry is a terrible rebounder for his size, but he can play the 5 spot. David Lee is a solid player; I don't know if he's starter quality yet, but he'll still get quality minutes off the bench. Dumping Francis was a big plus; now, if they can get Marbury to man the PG position as a distributor (ha ha!) they may actually be a playoff team with Richardson and Crawford as the other G/F's.

Crawford is about as JAG as they come. One night he'll look spectacular and drop 30. Problem is, he will also give up 30 in the process. The night after, he'll get 10. He is inconsistant and a streaky shooter. And I am not sure he's taken a shot he doesn't like.

There is a problem in NY.

Randolph, Curry, Richardson, Marbury, Crawford, and Lee all need the ball. And Marbury is going to be the guy distributing the ball. Curry is a terrible passer out of the low post. Randolph is actually pretty solid when he does pass out of the post. I see a lot of bogged down lanes with both Curry and Randolph operating near the basket. Admittedly, Randolph does have a mid range game, so maybe NY will emphasize that more so.

In theory it look solid.

But the same thing was said when they acquired Francis and Marbury....Crawford and Richardson.....etc.

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In theory it look solid.

But the same thing was said when they acquired Francis and Marbury....Crawford and Richardson.....etc.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Not by me. When they aquired Stevie Franchise to go with Marbury, I laughed, then I cried because I realized that they had not intention of moving Marbury. Francis basically wasted in NY. Stupid IMO.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

All I'll say is that's it's hard being a Rockets fan. Need a power forward, no problem, we'll just pick another guard, and an undersized one, at that.

~sigh~

take heart, the Spurs traded you F/C Jackie Butler who looks pretty good in this year's summer league

but it's the summer league, interesting player though