NBA Free Agency

[Manwiththeplan]

NY would be a great position pulling the trigger on Kyrie deal soon because they would be in a buyers market. Throwing teams out there didnt help the Cavs value wise.

I think the alleged Melo/Bledsoe deal might be best for Cleveland because while Bledoe has never been on the banana boat, he is tight with Lebron. If Melo can intergrate with Lebron and thrive with less usage, that team still wins the East and playing with two close friends could have Lebron finishing his career out in Cleveland. It makes the post Lebron Cavs utterly desolate though.

Im honestly trying to wrap my head around the possibility of NY getting Kyrie while just giving up Melo. I could see them sending Hermangomez to Cleveland. I think Kyrie, Love, Bledsoe, Anthony are close salary wise

I think at this point, Melo will only waive his no trade clause for HOU

I can see a 4 way deal involving NY, CLE, HOU and a 4th team, where Houston and NY give up a ton of assets to CLE and they more or less get a head start on their rebuild.

The 4th team would be needed to take on Ryan Anderson

 

[Manwiththeplan]

At this point, Cleveland dealing for Melo just makes no sense, when it's almost a given that Lebron will be leaving in 2018. To be honest, almost certain he will find a way to end up in Houston, especially if this deal goes down, just not sure how, but I can see a deal close to this happening

CLE: Brandon Knight, 2018 first round pick swap (NY), 2018 second round pick (PHO), 2018 second round pick (PHO from TOR), 2019 first round pick (NY), 2020 first round pick (HOU)

NY: Kyrie Irving, Tarik Black

HOU: Carmelo Anthony, Kyle O'Quinn

PHO: Ryan Anderson

For this trade to work, Houston will need to send out a few additional filler salaries, but this in essence *could* be the frame work of a deal. I can't see Phoenix parting with Eric Bledsoe, and to be honest, assuming the Derrick Rose is gonna sign with Cleveland, you're probably better off getting the additional assets and the lesser player, because 2018 is it for CLE. Houston gets to go from Ryan Anderson to Melo, which costs them a future pick. And NY obviously has to give up future picks as well. The NBA has rules against trading back to back first rounders, so while NY is eligible to deal the first rounder this year and next, CLE would be smart to swap picks this year, since CLE will almost certainly pick later and just get the Knicks pick outright in 2019. On top of all that, I'm including a few second rounders from Houston, since I think going from Bledsoe to Ryan Anderson is an upgrade, but not enough to deal that Miami pick.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lol, "time will tell if this ends up a good move or not."

Congrats, your honor has been restored on a technicality because you didn't say verbatim "I, ABQCOWBOY 100% do not believe this will work."

Never mind all the ridiculous arguments you made effectively arguing why it wouldn't work. Let's just act like that wasn't the point.

I'm trying to say your analysis was oversimplified nonsense then and utter comedy now. Do you dispute that?

I agree, time will tell. I don't think they needed to make that move because Cleveland was entering the window of decline with James IMO. Doesn't matter, it's done.

No need for congratulations, my honor was never in doubt. I never said what you claimed I said. That's on you.

I will also point out that all the things I said have come to pass or look as if they will. They did struggle with finding shots. They did shoot the three worse, as a team, after having signed Durant. They will lose key pieces of that team, soon, IMO. They are at a point where they can not sustain financially.

You can claim victory if you wish but won't change that fact that it's working out just as I said it would.

I will give you credit for the fact that they were much more successful, in terms of coming together as a team early, then I thought they would but then again, I did this in my very first post. You, not so much. When push came to shove, you argued a point that was immaterial to the statement you made. You clouded the issue in an attempt to create subterfuge. You were wrong the whole time. You are still wrong and your statements, about what I said were unfounded. You should have just accepted the fact and moved on but instead, you wasted everybodies time. Unfortunately, I did too, by carrying on with you over this. I should have just slammed the door on you instead of continuing on.

I apologies to the board.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I agree, time will tell. I don't think they needed to make that move because Cleveland was entering the window of decline with James IMO. Doesn't matter, it's done.

No need for congratulations, my honor was never in doubt. I never said what you claimed I said. That's on you.

I will also point out that all the things I said have come to pass or look as if they will. They did struggle with finding shots. They did shoot the three worse, as a team, after having signed Durant. They will lose key pieces of that team, soon, IMO. They are at a point where they can not sustain financially.

You can claim victory if you wish but won't change that fact that it's working out just as I said it would.

I will give you credit for the fact that they were much more successful, in terms of coming together as a team early, then I thought they would but then again, I did this in my very first post. You, not so much. When push came to shove, you argued a point that was immaterial to the statement you made. You clouded the issue in an attempt to create subterfuge. You were wrong the whole time. You are still wrong and your statements, about what I said were unfounded. You should have just accepted the fact and moved on but instead, you wasted everybodies time. Unfortunately, I did too, by carrying on with you over this. I should have just slammed the door on you instead of continuing on.

I apologies to the board.

Loool, smh. What do you mean you agree? The Dubs won a Title with Durant; the move was "successful."

End. Of. Story.

Notice you didn't address a single point I broke down of your own arguments. You simply hanging onto "buh, I never said that it coooouuuuldn't work out."

Nothing you claimed came to fruition.

It's the height of intellectually dishonesty to try to twist it and say it does. You won't engage in the argument because recent history flys in the face of your claims. Laughably, it doesn't stop you from baselessly repeating the claim and wave the flag of victory.

"Struggle to find shots?" WTH are you talking about? That's nothing but vageury.

"They will lose key pieces of that team."

Who?

Curry just resigned. Durant extended. Iguadala just resigned.

Let me guess? You're waiting for James McAdoo to leave and then you'll say "seeeee, the team is disintegrating!!!"

Like I said last year around this same time, you've got no business trying to talk basketball.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Loool, smh. What do you mean you agree? The Dubs won a Title with Durant; the move was "successful."

End. Of. Story.

Notice you didn't address a single point I broke down of your own arguments. You simply hanging onto "buh, I never said that it coooouuuuldn't work out."

Nothing you claimed came to fruition.

It's the height of intellectually dishonesty to try to twist it and say it does. You won't engage in the argument because recent history flys in the face of your claims. Laughably, it doesn't stop you from baselessly repeating the claim and wave the flag of victory.

"Struggle to find shots?" WTH are you talking about? That's nothing but vageury.

"They will lose key pieces of that team."

Who?

Curry just resigned. Durant extended. Iguadala just resigned.

Let me guess? You're waiting for James McAdoo to leave and then you'll say "seeeee, the team is disintegrating!!!"

Like I said last year around this same time, you've got no business trying to talk basketball.

Why would I address any of your drivel? We spoke about it, at length, way back when. Why discuss it again. I have already admitted that I believed all of the thing I said. I still do really. I admitted that they were much more successful coming together then I thought they would be initially. I have already said that I thought they could have won without Duran.

They did struggle in the beginning to distribute shots. That's a fact. They overcame it and they won a championship, which is exactly what I was try to explain earlier. What is there argue over? Can the Warriors stay together? It's possible but at the time we had this discussion, it was not. The new Collective Bargining agreement, that took effect July 1st might allow for that but when we had this discussion, that didn't exist and there was no way it was going to happen then. It still might not. Time will tell.

What a shock. Somebody with a tag representing Cal Poly is going to try and talk to intellectual shortcomings. You could knock me over with a feather. Don't you ever get tired of that BS?

You tried to use that discussion to prove a point with another poster and you lied about the discussion points and misrepresented what I said. That's the Bottom Line but you won't admit that. It's OK, I expect as much. You are what you are.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Why would I address any of your drivel? We spoke about it, at length, way back when. Why discuss it again. I have already admitted that I believed all of the thing I said. I still do really. I admitted that they were much more successful coming together then I thought they would be initially. I have already said that I thought they could have won without Duran.

They did struggle in the beginning to distribute shots. That's a fact. They overcame it and they won a championship, which is exactly what I was try to explain earlier. What is there argue over? Can the Warriors stay together? It's possible but at the time we had this discussion, it was not. The new Collective Bargining agreement, that took effect July 1st might allow for that but when we had this discussion, that didn't exist and there was no way it was going to happen then. It still might not. Time will tell.

What a shock. Somebody with a tag representing Cal Poly is going to try and talk to intellectual shortcomings. You could knock me over with a feather. Don't you ever get tired of that BS?

You tried to use that discussion to prove a point with another poster and you lied about the discussion points and misrepresented what I said. That's the Bottom Line but you won't admit that. It's OK, I expect as much. You are what you are.

"I have already admitted that I believed all of the thing I said. I still do really."

Translation: Never mind the facts; I've committed to this argument and going down with this sinking ship.

You're done.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

"I have already admitted that I believed all of the thing I said. I still do really."

Translation: Never mind the facts; I've committed to this argument and going down with this sinking ship.

You're done.

It's funny, you speak as if your opinion counts.

Yawn.......

 

[Silver Surfer]

I guess one of the downsides of being a moderator is that you can't put somebody on ignore...

 

[JoeyBoy718]

D-Rose just signed with the Cavs. One year, $2 million. That's interesting. I thought he'd make a solid duo with Kyrie, but it's looking like he'll be the starting PG after Kyrie gets traded. It'll be interesting if Cleveland takes a "win now" approach and tries to get some proven veterans for Kyrie, or if they ensure their future by dealing Kyrie for picks and young potential.

 

[Trouty]

Is this Kyrie deal as big as the media is making it, fellas? I don't follow the NBA nearly as close as some of y'all.

But, for me, this is a big deal. Kyrie is a baller.

What's the word, folks? Trade for Wiggins, etc? Or is Kyrie just being a dumbarse right now?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Is this Kyrie deal as big as the media is making it, fellas? I don't follow the NBA nearly as close as some of y'all.

But, for me, this is a big deal. Kyrie is a baller.

What's the word, folks? Trade for Wiggins, etc? Or is Kyrie just being a dumbarse right now?

Would be kind of hilarious if they trade for Wiggins considering they traded him for Love. But that would be the move to make if they can squeeze another quality player like Eric Bledsoe out of a deal.

Dont know if Wiggins is title chase ready yet. He has some efficiency issues at this point

 

[Trouty]

Would be kind of hilarious if they trade for Wiggins considering they traded him for Love. But that would be the move to make if they can squeeze another quality player like Eric Bledsoe out of a deal.

Wiggins and Bledsoe for Kyrie, Marine?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Wiggins and Bledsoe for Kyrie, Marine?

They would have to involve Phoenix and give up more. May even have to give up Love. Would be a major score for Cleveland if they can swing that without giving up Love. Might even keep Lebron in Cleveland. Lebron leaving isnt as forgone a conclusion as people think

 

[darthseinfeld]

Is this Kyrie deal as big as the media is making it, fellas? I don't follow the NBA nearly as close as some of y'all.

But, for me, this is a big deal. Kyrie is a baller.

What's the word, folks? Trade for Wiggins, etc? Or is Kyrie just being a dumbarse right now?

Kyrie is one of the more talented scores at the PG position, but he is not a good defender or facilitator.

I dont think he will work out that well as the top dog

 

[Trouty]

They would have to involve Phoenix and give up more. May even have to give up Love. Would be a major score for Cleveland if they can swing that without giving up Love. Might even keep Lebron in Cleveland. Lebron leaving isnt as forgone a conclusion as people think

What of the LeBron deal, Marine?

Surely, if Kyrie leaves, Bron leaves next year. Love is an above avg player, but that's it. In a league of super-star teams, Love is an accessory, imo.

What do you see for the next two or three years? Or is GS just too damn strong right now, LeBron be damned?

 

[Trouty]

Kyrie is one of the more talented scores at the PG position, but he is not a good defender or facilitator.

I dont think he will work out that well as the top dog

IMO, he's the best PG in the game. Better than CP3, even.

But, again, I don't follow the NBA like y'all do. Just tying to wrap my head around this Kyrie bulljive, Marine

 

[Trouty]

Bron and Wiggins and Bledsoe isn't even close to Bron Irving Love

 

[darthseinfeld]

What of the LeBron deal, Marine?

Surely, if Kyrie leaves, Bron leaves next year. Love is an above avg player, but that's it. In a league of super-star teams, Love is an accessory, imo.

What do you see for the next two or three years? Or is GS just too damn strong right now, LeBron be damned?

Depending on who they get back

 

[darthseinfeld]

IMO, he's the best PG in the game. Better than CP3, even.

But, again, I don't follow the NBA like y'all do. Just tying to wrap my head around this Kyrie bulljive, Marine

He's definitely not the best. Not better than Curry, not better than Westbrook, not better than Wall and maybe even Lilliard over him.

 

[darthseinfeld]

What of the LeBron deal, Marine?

Surely, if Kyrie leaves, Bron leaves next year. Love is an above avg player, but that's it. In a league of super-star teams, Love is an accessory, imo.

What do you see for the next two or three years? Or is GS just too damn strong right now, LeBron be damned?

Love is a guy that averaged 26 points a game when he was the man. He hasn't isn't going to get stats like that in Cleveland with Lebron and Kyrie. Love is still one of the best 4's in the game.

Its not looking great for Lebron staying in Cleveland, but its far from a forgone conclusion. We have to see what they can actually get in any trade and how the team meshes. Have the demand leak doesn't help, but having teams willing to bid against other teams sure doesnt hurt