NBC: List of 25 semifinalists for Pro Football Hall of Fame announced

[Yakuza Rich]

^This. Absolutely.

If Chuck Howley played ROLB for Pittsburgh he would have been inducted years ago. He was better than Robinson. I don't like crying "anti-Cowboys" bias, but in the case of Howley (and possibly Drew Pearson), something is terribly amiss.

IIRC, Pearson is the only member of the All-70's team (position player) not inducted in the HoF.

He should absolutely be in the HoF. Ridiculous that he's not.





YR

 

[fredp22]

IIRC, Pearson is the only member of the All-70's team (position player) not inducted in the HoF.

He should absolutely be in the HoF. Ridiculous that he's not.





YR

.......... recp yards td
Swann 336 5462 51
Pearson 489 7822 48

 

[MichaelValentino]

LOL! What? LT was one of the five greatest players to ever step foot on a field. If he didnt make it first ballot, there was no point to have a HOF. TO not remotely in LTs class and I dont care about off field.

IIRC, Pearson is the only member of the All-70's team (position player) not inducted in the HoF.

He should absolutely be in the HoF. Ridiculous that he's not.





YR

YR, Not quite. Cliff Harris, who received one less vote than HOFer Ken Houston at the safety position for first-team All-70s team, is also not in Canton. Two DC players. Go figure.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I know one thing .. it is absurd and blasphemous that Jimmy Johnson is not in the HOF yet .. and it is going to be more absurd and more blasphemous if he doesn't get in

I hope he gets in someday.

 

[perrykemp]

Favre is a icon? To who? I mean don't get me wrong Favre deserves to be 1st ballot as well but Owens is arguably one of the best receivers of all time. I don't hear anyone even considering Favre as the best to ever play his position.

Favre was 19 years of drama and ESPN beamed that drama into everybody's homes for most of it.

Guys like Peter King seemed like they spent 50% of everything they wrote about Favre.

John Madden was his personal cheerleader.

Unless you were Packer fan it all became a bit much....

 

[MichaelValentino]

.......... recp yards td
Swann 336 5462 51
Pearson 489 7822 48

fredp22, also:

Pearson: 3 Pro Bowls, 3x 1st team All Pro, 1x 2nd team All Pro
Swann: 3 Pro Bowls, 1x 1st team All Pro, 2x 2nd team All Pro

Swann gets in because:
(1) He played for Pittsburgh
(2) He made spectacular plays and/or scored in SBs X, XIII, XIV
(3) He played for Pittsburgh

Drew is on the outside looking in because:
(1) He played for Dallas
(2) Instead of lining up against Aaron Kyle, Benny Barnes and Mark Washington, he had to face Mel Blount in two SBs
(3) He played for Dallas

Swann made two spectacular catches in SB X, had four catches for 161 yards, and without him, the Steelers would have struggled to score 7 points vs. the Cowboys defense in that game.

In SB XIII, he made a leaping catch in the end zone that only a handful of WRs in the history of the NFL could have made.

Drew was steadier, more durable and more productive; Swann flashier and the far more gifted athlete.

Actually, in SBX Washington had good coverage-position on Swann on his leaping catch up the right sideline and on his highlight reel catch up the middle of the field later in the game. Jerry Rice would not have made the first catch and likely would not have made the second - that's how spectacular Swann was in that game.

In SBXIII, Swann went high into the Miami sky to catch a TD over Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters. I can't think of any WR from the 70s (maybe Lance Alworth?) who makes that catch in SBXIII. For 99.9% of receivers that was an overthrown ball from Bradshaw.

For those reasons I have no problem with Swann being in Canton. In big games he was at his absolute best.

If pinned against a wall, I'd have to confess that I think Swann and Paul Warfield were better than Drew. Those guys deserved Canton. As did John Stallworth. I also think Pearson belongs in the Hall. What is keeping him out other than anti-Cowboys bias?

 

[MichaelValentino]

Favre was 19 years of drama and ESPN beamed that drama into everybody's homes for most of it.

Guys like Peter King seemed like they spent 50% of everything they wrote about Favre.

John Madden was his personal cheerleader.

Unless you were Packer fan it all became a bit much....

Favre is the 3rd best QB in Packers history. In my opinion he is not close to Bart Starr and the gap between Aaron Rodgers and Favre is widening with each year Rodgers plays. People who put Favre in the top 5 all time just don't get it.

 

[perrykemp]

Favre is a icon? To who? I mean don't get me wrong Favre deserves to be 1st ballot as well but Owens is arguably one of the best receivers of all time. I don't hear anyone even considering Favre as the best to ever play his position.

Favre was 19 years of drama and ESPN beamed that drama into everybody's homes for most of it.

Guys like Peter King seemed like they spent 50% of everything they wrote about Favre.

John Madden was his personal cheerleader.

Unless you were Packer fan it all became a bit much....

Favre is the 3rd best QB in Packers history. In my opinion he is not close to Bart Starr and the gap between Aaron Rodgers and Favre is widening with each year Rodgers plays. People who put Favre in the top 5 all time just don't get it.

 

[MichaelValentino]

LOL! What? LT was one of the five greatest players to ever step foot on a field. If he didnt make it first ballot, there was no point to have a HOF. TO not remotely in LTs class and I dont care about off field.

RS12, I'd have to agree. I did not like LT's character and I dreaded each time the Cowboys had to play the NYG because I knew Danny White's or Gary Hogeboom's lives were practically in danger. Anthony Munoz was the only tackle who could block him and, unfortunately, Munoz didn't play left tackle for the Cowboys.

I can't think of a defensive player - not Bob Lilly, Joe Greene, Deacon Jones, Alan Page, Merlin Olsen, Dick Butkus, Ronnie Lott, Randy White, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, J.J. Watt, Ray Lewis - who was as dominant and as feared as Taylor. He single handedly took over games more than it seemed any of the greats on the above list did on a consistent basis.

 

[JoeKing]

Terrell Owens getting into the HoF?

 

[MichaelValentino]

Jordan, Howley, Harris, Green just to start and it took way to long for Hayes to get in. Not enough of the players that made Cowboys Americas team are in

Lee Roy Jordan was a truly great player. Unfortunately he played in an era of great MLBs: Butkus, Nitschke, Lambert, Willie Lanier and Tommy Nobis. There were just so many great players at the position that many of the post-season awards and accolades were spread around.

Jordan and Howley both deserve to be in the HOF. It's a travesty that Howley is left out, and although somewhat understandable given the number of HOF MLBs from that era, it is still wrong and unfair that Jordan is not in.

A good case can be made for Cornell Green.

And a good case can be made for Cliff Harris. To be honest fellow DC fans, I'm a bit sour on No. 43. Before SBX he talked a lot of trash to Lynn Swann through the media. Then come game time, Harris didn't do a thing as Swann single-handedly dominated the Cowboys secondary. And after Roy Gerela missed a FG near the end of the first half, Harris taunted Gerela, to which Jack Lambert, that toothless villain, promptly put Harris on the Orange Bowl turf and took his rage into the locker room at halftime. Lambert played the second half with unbridled fury and the Cowboys could not run the ball at all. I mean, really?, you not only trash talk one of the greatest WRs in the game but you go and infuriate the undisputed leader of the greatest defensive team of the 70s? Yes, Harris wasn't responsible for blocking Greene and Greenwood in that game, but I think his antics surely aided the Steelers far more than motivated his own teammates.

My, I certainly digressed there...

 

[dallasdave]

Needs more Steelers.

Ha, Ha, steelers belong in the toilet bowl !!!!

 

[DallasInDC]

T.O. deserves to get in.

But won't...at least not first or second ballot.

 

[black label]

Ha, Ha, steelers belong in the toilet bowl !!!!

haha

 

[dallasdave]

haha

I love it !!!!! This is where the steelers belong !!!!!!!

 

[camelboy]

Tony Dungy? If this guy makes it before Jimmy this is the biggest joke ever ... no disrespect to Dungy, but he is not on the same level as Jimmy

 

[lkelly]

Bret Favre
Terrell Davis
Jimmy Johnson
Steve Atwater
Orlando Pace

Terrell Davis has to be in. Yes, his career was short but, my gosh, they ran him into the ground. It's not his 2000 yard rushing season that is the most impressive. In 8 playoff games the guy got over 1100 yards for a 5.6 average per carry. Unreal!

Terrell Davis had 7 out of 8 playoff games over 100 yards rushing and the 8th game was for 91 yards! In those 8 playoff games he scored 12 TD's!
As good as John Elway was, he didn't win a Super Bowl until this guy showed up in his 15th year. He finished his career with back to back and Terrell was the reason.

Davis has as much business being in the Hall of Fame as Wes Welker. He as absolutely a product of the system. There were a slew of backs in Shanny's system that ran for huge yardage. He had an all time great QB to create opportunities and was the equivalent of the 10 cents that gives you just enough to afford bus fare. Does Denver win those Super Bowls with Bubby Brister or Brian Griese? Nope. Does Timmy Smith deserve a Hall spot because he sat in on some games with great offensive schemes? Nope.

Sorry, but I reserve my non-existent vote for guys who altered the game. For guys that found success through thick and thin, not for guys that rode the Dante Culpepper opportunistic train to celebrity.

Give Murray a handful of carries last year in a few games and he goes for 2,000. Now in Philly he looks like Howard Eskin's cheese steak wrapper. Does he really deserve to be mentioned as a transcendent talent? Pretty sure Davis would have been the same mediocre player had he played in that same city of Brotherly Hate in 1998.

 

[EPL0c0]

I honestly don't know how the Voters could keep TO out and keep a registered sex offender in.

That alone proves that it's about what they did on the field and TO is an NFL great.

 

[ottawacowpoke]

Bret Favre
Terrell Davis
Jimmy Johnson
Steve Atwater
Orlando Pace

Terrell Davis has to be in. Yes, his career was short but, my gosh, they ran him into the ground. It's not his 2000 yard rushing season that is the most impressive. In 8 playoff games the guy got over 1100 yards for a 5.6 average per carry. Unreal!

Terrell Davis had 7 out of 8 playoff games over 100 yards rushing and the 8th game was for 91 yards! In those 8 playoff games he scored 12 TD's!
As good as John Elway was, he didn't win a Super Bowl until this guy showed up in his 15th year. He finished his career with back to back and Terrell was the reason.

I agree with you on TD. I also think that Roger Craig should have been in YEARS AGO. Roger and Lester Hayes are two guys that deserve to be in. Hayes is never mentioned and I have no idea why.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Favre is obvious. TO, at least IMO, is an obvious first ballot inductee as well.

He was a headcase, but there's no denying that he's one of the best WRs to ever play the game. He's got to be top 5 on quite a few lists I'm sure.