NBC: Wade Phillips says Jerry Jones was “good to me”

[Zman5]

2006 Roster

No.                 Player  Age
17                Sam Hurd   21
53            Oliver Hoyte   22
10            Skyler Green   22
80          Anthony Fasano   22
72           Stephen Bowen   22
14            Miles Austin   22
96           Marcus Spears   23
77           Pat McQuistan   23
89             Tony Curtis   23
54         Bobby Carpenter   23
24           Marion Barber   23
82           Jason Witten*   24
25             Pat Watkins   24
94          DeMarcus Ware*   24
87              Andy Thorn   24
35          Jacques Reeves   24
60           JVonne Parker   24
27          Keylon Kincade   24
33              Nate Jones   24
97           Jason Hatcher   24
55             Ryan Fowler   24
99             Chris Canty   24
57           Kevin Burnett   24
28          Tyson Thompson   25
4            Shaun Suisham   25
85          Jamaica Rector   25
66             Jay Ratliff   25
39          Lousaka Polite   25
91          L.P. Ladouceur   25
21            Julius Jones   25
56            Bradie James   25
37              Abram Elam   25
36           Quincy Butler   25
31           Roy Williams*   26
9               Tony Romo*   26
86             Ryan Hannam   26
92           Junior Glymph   26
1             Mat McBriar*   27
52              Al Johnson   27
84         Patrick Crayton   27
93          Kenyon Coleman   27
50            Akin Ayodele   27
41          Terence Newman   28
63             Kyle Kosier   28
65           Andre Gurode*   28
29             Keith Davis   28
75            Marc Colombo   28
42           Anthony Henry   30
51    Alshermond Singleton   31
33            Tony Parrish   31
7         Martin Gramatica   31
98              Greg Ellis   31
76          Flozell Adams*   31
83             Terry Glenn   32
95          Jason Ferguson   32
69            Jason Fabini   32
32          Marcus Coleman   32
81           Terrell Owens   33
62            Marco Rivera   34
26             Aaron Glenn   34
11            Drew Bledsoe   34
13         Mike Vanderjagt   36
                Team Total 26.6

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2010 Roster

No.                  Player  Age
59         Brandon Williams   22
27       Akwasi Owusu-Ansah   22
35            Lonyae Miller   22
40             Danny McCray   22
42             Barry Church   22
88               Dez Bryant   22
92               Josh Brent   22
                  Sam Young   23
36           Andrew Sendejo   23
32        Orlando Scandrick   23
      Jimmy Saddler-McQueen   23
85           Kevin Ogletree   23
37             Bryan McCann   23
95           Sean Lissemore   23
28              Felix Jones   23
           Clifton Geathers   23
67               Phil Costa   23
57            Victor Butler   23
18            David Buehler   23
80        Martellus Bennett   23
54           Jason Williams   24
50                 Sean Lee   24
15           Manuel Johnson   24
44         Chris Gronkowski   24
54          Kenwin Cummings   24
            Robert Brewster   24
83            Martin Rucker   25
7             Stephen McGee   25
21             Mike Jenkins   25
17                 Sam Hurd   25
34           Michael Hamlin   25
84           Scott Chandler   25
20                Alan Ball   25
93          Anthony Spencer   26
16             Jesse Holley   26
                  Doug Free   26
23           Tashard Choice   26
72            Stephen Bowen   26
19            Miles Austin*   26
52            Leon Williams   27
96            Marcus Spears   27
43        Gerald Sensabaugh   27
63             Jeremy Clark   27
24            Marion Barber   27
              Deon Anderson   27
82           Jason Witten*+   28
94           DeMarcus Ware*   28
99           Igor Olshansky   28
97            Jason Hatcher   28
                Alex Barron   28
11             Roy Williams   29
90             Jay Ratliff*   29
91           L.P. Ladouceur   29
56             Bradie James   29
9                 Tony Romo   30
            Montrae Holland   30
1              Mat McBriar*   31
41           Terence Newman   32
63              Kyle Kosier   32
65            Andre Gurode*   32
              Leonard Davis   32
75             Marc Colombo   32
51           Keith Brooking   35
3                 Jon Kitna   38
                 Team Total 26.1

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[waving monkey]

I like Wade, but I didn't want to see him hired, and I was happy when he left. He's sort of the mirror-opposite of Garrett. Very good coordinator, tons of experience with Xs and Os, but his teams were disorganized and lacked direction. Drafts under him were complete crapshoots because he abdicated responsibility for that side of the business. It was a nice change from Parcells in 2007, but then it couldn't hold together over time because he was excellent with particulars but wasn't an organized leader. Which is why the entire team quit on him at the end.

He does always say nice things about Jerry, though. Not so much about Jason Garrett. Which always surprises me since Garrett was put in place explicitly to be the next HC from day one, and everybody knew it. And there was no denying Wade's team fell apart behind him when he was finally fired.

Pretty much my sentiments. He got a lot out of what we had though.
So glad when he left.

 

[Bullflop]

It's true that Jerry was quite reluctant to fire Wade until the players finally gave up on him. It was like the bottom fell out around mid season before JD eventually took the reins as head coach. Wade is much better serving as a defensive coordinator than as a head coach. Seems to me he was far too willing to accept less than conscientious efforts from some of his players. Much like his dad, discipline was simply not in his repertoire.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Not buying it! Get ready for the Wade Phillips Revenge Game on Sunday

I think he's being sincere about Jones and his relationship, but I still fully expect his team to be well prepared to play us. Yeah, he wants to win this game bad. But I still think he's a great guy.

 

[lukin2006]

He should be appreciative of Jerry...Jerry is likely the only person that would have given coach cupcake another head coaching gig...

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Wade is a Top DC as a HC he seemed to lose control. Not just Dallas but every stop he had as HC. For those who act as if it was Garrett fault all I can say is Garrett was not with those other teams who fired Wade as HC.

 

[rpntex]

I don't know where you are getting your stats but according to pro-football reference the average age for 2010 roster was 26.1 and 26.6 for 2006.

Besides your numbers don't even make sense. How can you have averages age of offense 28.9, defense 26.7 and come up with 25.7 as average for both?

TYPO - 27.8, not 25.7

Also, i suggest that next time you read the posts you quote more carefully.

Your 26.6 and 26.1 figures are for the entire roster. My numbers, also according to profootballreference.com, were for the starters on each team... see the difference?

 

[Zman5]

TYPO - 27.8, not 25.7

Also, i suggest that next time you read the posts you quote more carefully.

Your 26.6 and 26.1 figures are for the entire roster. My numbers, also according to profootballreference.com, were for the starters on each team... see the difference?

On all the posts for this debate, we were talking about the whole team that each coaches inherited. There wasn't one discussion about the which coach inherited better starter. Your cherry picked stats are irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[rpntex]

On all the posts for this debate, we were talking about the whole team that each coaches inherited. There wasn't one discussion about the which coach inherited better starter. Your cherry picked stats are irrelevant to the conversation.

Starters are very relevant, since starters play 75% of the offensive snaps, and around 60% of defensive snaps. The starting OL is significant since those guys play about 90-95 % of all offensive snaps. The OL was also where the biggest disparity of age occurred.

When you factor in the average age of the full roster, you’re applying equal significance to the 20or so guys who only play special teams (or don’t play at all, in the case of inactives). That’s 5-10% of all snaps in a game. That’s why your argument is flawed.

 

[Zman5]

Starters are very relevant, since starters play 75% of the offensive snaps, and around 60% of defensive snaps. The starting OL is significant since those guys play about 90-95 % of all offensive snaps. The OL was also where the biggest disparity of age occurred.

When you factor in the average age of the full roster, you’re applying equal significance to the 20or so guys who only play special teams (or don’t play at all, in the case of inactives). That’s 5-10% of all snaps in a game. That’s why your argument is flawed.

The relevancy of starter is dependant on the debate. We were talking about the overall talent level and age of the team being inherited by each coaches and what they were able to to do with it. In that conversation, whether they were starters the year before the team was inherited by the HC is not as relevant.

Both Dez and Lee were Wade's players JG inherited that contributed significantly for JG. They weren't starters in 2010. To exclude them from the conversation because they weren't starters in 2010 doesn't make any sense.

Also they were rookies which would make the average age of the team JG inherited much older and screw the the statistics if you exclude them. I can see why you want to remove such players since it would push your false agenda that JG inherited a much older team which just isn't true.

 

[rpntex]

The relevancy of starter is dependant on the debate. We were talking about the overall talent level and age of the team being inherited by each coaches and what they were able to to do with it. In that conversation, whether they were starters the year before the team was inherited by the HC is not as relevant.

Both Dez and Lee were Wade's players JG inherited that contributed significantly for JG. They weren't starters in 2010. To exclude them from the conversation because they weren't starters in 2010 doesn't make any sense.

Also they were rookies which would make the average age of the team JG inherited much older and screw the the statistics if you exclude them. I can see why you want to remove such players since it would push your false agenda that JG inherited a much older team which just isn't true.

No agenda here, but the only falls stuff being pushed in this thread is your insistence that the 15 or so layers who only contributed on special teams should factor into any relevant debate. But, have it your way...

Whether you compare starters to starters, top 30-35, or the full 53, it’s a fact that Garrett inherited an older roster than Parcells left Wade.

 

[Pants]

Apparently, Jerry Jones Offense was REALLY good to Wade in the 2nd half

 

[Zman5]

No agenda here, but the only falls stuff being pushed in this thread is your insistence that the 15 or so layers who only contributed on special teams should factor into any relevant debate. But, have it your way...

Whether you compare starters to starters, top 30-35, or the full 53, it’s a fact that Garrett inherited an older roster than Parcells left Wade.

The fact that you think Dez and Sean Lee are irrelevant to JG's success tells me you either don't know anything about football or you're trying your best to push some BS agenda.

Technically Bledsoe wasn't the starter in 2006. So according to you, Romo wasn't relevant to Wade's success either. LOL.

 

[khiladi]

I love this dude... If Jerry didn't love Red Ginger more than Wade, it could have been a lot different.

 

[rpntex]

The fact that you think Dez and Sean Lee are irrelevant to JG's success tells me you either don't know anything about football or you're trying your best to push some BS agenda.

Technically Bledsoe wasn't the starter in 2006. So according to you, Romo wasn't relevant to Wade's success either. LOL.

You need to pick up a little reading comprehension – what I said was “the 15 or so players who contributed ONLY on special teams”. … That would not include Dez or Shawn Lee, or Romo for that matter.

 

[Zman5]

You need to pick up a little reading comprehension – what I said was “the 15 or so players who contributed ONLY on special teams”. … That would not include Dez or Shawn Lee, or Romo for that matter.

But according to your "starters" only list, they would not have been included on the inherited player list. Maybe it's you who need to pick up a little reading comprehension.

 

[Beast_from_East]

"Jag coach"

Man, this place throws this around like it's nothing.

Garrett is no legendary coach, but he's certainly not a "JAG". He's a really good coach that has done a lot in terms of rebuilding.

1-2 playoff record says JAG.................team building and participation trophies don't count bro

 

[mattjames2010]

1-2 playoff record says JAG.................team building and participation trophies don't count bro

Of course they count. Team building goes into winning games. Coaching can actually only go so far, you need talent to produce.

This place has such surface level thinking it's unreal - it's about 90% of the board. If it's not blind fanboyism it's seething red anger.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Of course they count. Team building goes into winning games. Coaching can actually only go so far, you need talent to produce.

This place has such surface level thinking it's unreal - it's about 90% of the board. If it's not blind fanboyism it's seething red anger.

I'm sorry, my mistake.............I assumed after 8 freaking years the head coach had assembled enough talent to win more than one playoff game.

So how many years does Garrett need to acquire all this talent he needs, 10? 12? 14? 16?

Since all of us are just "surface level thinkers" and you are in the know, exactly how many years does our boy genius need to acquire enough talent to win his second playoff game? Keep in mind this is now year 8 of his reign?

Please enlighten us.

 

[mattjames2010]

I'm sorry, my mistake.............I assumed after 8 freaking years the head coach had assembled enough talent to win more than one playoff game.

So how many years does Garrett need to acquire all this talent he needs, 10? 12? 14? 16?

Since all of us are just "surface level thinkers" and you are in the know, exactly how many years does our boy genius need to acquire enough talent to win his second playoff game? Keep in mind this is now year 8 of his reign?

Please enlighten us.

First off, I don't look at playoff losses and wins. I look at progression and regression of a team. What I saw with Garrett in his first few years here was good drafts (Yes, we had a couple duds, like every team) and a staff that needed to overcome cap hell.

I had the same thought process with Wade Phillps - his first three seasons, 2007 we made playoffs, second season we missed playoffs and the hot seat was brought out, and 09 we finished strong before the 2010 season where it all crumbled.

You talk about "participation trophies", but then you go on to cite playoff numbers. Uh, playoff numbers are "participation trophies", boi. Look at progression and regression of teams. If we regress greatly this season, and it looks like we might, then bring out the hot seat.

With the talent we have on the defensive side of the ball, if we find ourselves in the playoffs, it will actually say a lot about our coaching staff. Hell, even last year with having a scrub at QB and finding out way into playoffs and going 13-3 was quite something.

You can call for a new HC - but stop pretending we have a terrible HC, only a select few people have the skills to come in and coach an NFL team. Only a few have the skill to get their teams to 12-4 and 13-3. Garrett is a good coach and we could easily downgrade moving on from him.