NBC: Wade Phillips says Jerry Jones was “good to me”

[LocimusPrime]

Back to the OP

Wade was and still is a defensive genius.
As a poerson, I believe he is an honest and nice man.

 

[Trouty]

Hi bro! I had whataburger breakfast. Two bacon and egg taquitos and a breakfast on a bun.
Absolutely fantastic.

Yummy yummy yum yum!!!!!!!!

 

[Idgit]

What? Did you even fully read the posts?

You posted the following.



What you posted above is ridiculous. Talent wise, squad he started with and the squad he left behind were about the same. And your opinion of the talent level of the two teams based only on win record displays your lack of knowledge on how team sports work.

Hardly. The 2006 and 2007 teams were both good squads. The 2009 team was an aging squad that was still good. The 2010 team was not. All of which was born out by the teams' performances. It's not complicated. You just don't want to accept it.

And it's laughable fornyou to try to use an argument based on wins and losses to suggest I lack knowledge regarding "how team's work." Wins and losses are how team's are measured in this league, Zman. Cut and dried.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

2006 line didn't have Davis on it. He was brought in by Wade in 2007. 2006 OLine was overrated. That OLine was made better by Romo. Before Romo, our OLine wasn't considered anything special. It was getting Bledsoe killed. I agree it was better than 2010 squad but it wasn't like night and day better. Flip side of it is, we had better RB, and DL in 2010. So as I said, the overall talent level was about the same.

I don't understand why you would say this. In 2010 Barber was a shadow of his 2007 self: all used up and slow. Do you really think Felix was that much better than Julius that it would have compensated for the drop-off in Barber's play? As for the DL, they were essentially the same except that the 2010 line was older and no longer included Canty, who was a really good 5-tech.

 

[mattjames2010]

It's been 7 years already since he's been fired.

Crazy. But yeah, one of the lowest points for me as a fan was when we got dominated in back to back games against the Jags and Packers. So much expectations going into the 2010 season, and it seemed every single player regressed. Left a bad taste in my mouth watching the defense give up like they did, and to this day, I still really don't think of Demarcus Ware and the rest the same.

 

[Redball Express]

Great coach esp DC but more importantly a great human being. Love this guy.

If we had kept Phillips as just DC..

we might have won SBs with him leading the D.

Look what he has done with Denver and now the Rams.

Sort of like when we let Payton leave and go to NO.

Our luck till now has been so poisoned.

New day though.

 

[Zman5]

Hardly. The 2006 and 2007 teams were both good squads. The 2009 team was an aging squad that was still good. The 2010 team was not. All of which was born out by the teams' performances. It's not complicated. You just don't want to accept it.

And it's laughable fornyou to try to use an argument based on wins and losses to suggest I lack knowledge regarding "how team's work." Wins and losses are how team's are measured in this league, Zman. Cut and dried.

2009 made it further in to the playoffs and was favored to go to the SB by some. 2006 team wouldn't have even made it to the playoffs had it not been Romo getting inserted mid season. But keep believing in your BS fantasies to prop your hero JG.

 

[Zman5]

I don't understand why you would say this. In 2010 Barber was a shadow of his 2007 self: all used up and slow. Do you really think Felix was that much better than Julius that it would have compensated for the drop-off in Barber's play? As for the DL, they were essentially the same except that the 2010 line was older and no longer included Canty, who was a really good 5-tech.

Felix Jones was better than 2007 J. Jones. You saying the DLine was was worse because they were older is completely wrong. It wasn't like they were in their 30s and just getting old. D. Ware and J. Rat were in their prime around 2008-2011 and at the end of the 2009, Anthony Spencer was playing at his best. Their best years were between 2008-2011.

Canty was a good role player but nothing more. If he was, he would have still been with the cowboys.

 

[jobberone]

If we had kept Phillips as just DC..

we might have won SBs with him leading the D.

Look what he has done with Denver and now the Rams.

Sort of like when we let Payton leave and go to NO.

Our luck till now has been so poisoned.

New day though.

Doubt he would have stayed. Wouldn't be surprised if that was offered although chances are Jerry wouldn't have insulted him.

 

[Idgit]

2009 made it further in to the playoffs and was favored to go to the SB by some. 2006 team wouldn't have even made it to the playoffs had it not been Romo getting inserted mid season. But keep believing in your BS fantasies to prop your hero JG.

Lol. Whatever, dude. You cannot get around 1-7, no matter what wriggling you do. That 2010 team was not good. The 2016 team was.

I don't have to prop. I'm just right.

 

[Zman5]

Lol. Whatever, dude. You cannot get around 1-7, no matter what wriggling you do. That 2010 team was not good. The 2016 team was.

I don't have to prop. I'm just right.

It's laughable that someone would think talent level of a team is solely based on win/loss records. The 1-7 record wasn't due to talent. The 2009 playoff team roster wasn't much different than the 2010 roster that went 1-7. And the 2006 team Wade inherited wasn't much more talented than the 2010 team JG inherited. Furthermore Romo, Witt and DWare were much better players in 2010 than they were in 2006.

I know you'll twist every truth to make JG look better than he is but you are completely wrong thinking Wade inherited a great team and ruined it and JG inherited a no talent team and made it great.

 

[Idgit]

It's laughable that someone would think talent level of a team is solely based on win/loss records. The 1-7 record wasn't due to talent. The 2009 playoff team roster wasn't much different than the 2010 roster that went 1-7. And the 2006 team Wade inherited wasn't much more talented than the 2010 team JG inherited. Furthermore Romo, Witt and DWare were much better players in 2010 than they were in 2006.

I know you'll twist every truth to make JG look better than he is but you are completely wrong thinking Wade inherited a great team and ruined it and JG inherited a no talent team and made it great.

1-7 is 1-7 dude. And we were 13-3 last season. Those are facts. You can't claim I'm twisting the truth when all I'm doing is presenting facts.

What's laughable watching you try to argue against wins and losses when trying to ***** the talent level of a team. Wins are how team's are measured in the NFL. And not on your alternative parsing of why a bad team that got Wade fired was actually a good one in disguise.

 

[mattjames2010]

It's laughable that someone would think talent level of a team is solely based on win/loss records. The 1-7 record wasn't due to talent. The 2009 playoff team roster wasn't much different than the 2010 roster that went 1-7. And the 2006 team Wade inherited wasn't much more talented than the 2010 team JG inherited. Furthermore Romo, Witt and DWare were much better players in 2010 than they were in 2006.

I know you'll twist every truth to make JG look better than he is but you are completely wrong thinking Wade inherited a great team and ruined it and JG inherited a no talent team and made it great.

Garrett had to do a lot more rebuilding than Phillips had to do when he took over for Parcells. Garrett had to take 3-4 years to rebuild our offensive line, which by 2010, was one of the worst in the league.

Phillips took over a team going up, Garrett took over a team that crashed and was in semi-rebuilding mode.

 

[Zman5]

1-7 is 1-7 dude. And we were 13-3 last season. Those are facts. You can't claim I'm twisting the truth when all I'm doing is presenting facts.

What's laughable watching you try to argue against wins and losses when trying to ***** the talent level of a team. Wins are how team's are measured in the NFL. And not on your alternative parsing of why a bad team that got Wade fired was actually a good one in disguise.

Yeh and you conveniently want to dismiss the fact that JG was part of that 1-7. Yeh I know you JG apologist can't admit he was part of anything bad and he is had everything to do with only good things that happened since 2007. How convenient.

It's more laughable you believing the 2-1 Jaguars are good as 2-1 Patriots since they have the same win/loss record.

 

[robjay04]

Hard Eight BBQ about a hour ago...

Surprised more people didn’t recognize him. I bet that Hard Eight was pretty good to him as well..

 

[Montanalo]

Well then you don't know what you're talking about. To go back to a weak willed powerless figure head of a head coach was exactly what not to do and why a young emerging core of players ready to win ended up getting the guy fired in 3 years.

Terrible hire.

Wade compiled a 56 win and 34 loss record resulting in a winning record of 0.607, hardly a failure.

At the time if Parcell's departure, the rumor mill suggested Bill Cowher, Bob Stoops, Charlie Weiss, and Wade Phillips were possible candidates for the Dallas Cowboys. It ultimately came down to a decision on the 3-4 defense and who best could build on what Parcell's had started. Cowher was the obvious front-runner from that list. When he dropped out (or declined), Wade was considered a viable alternative. Hindsight has shown that Wade was a decent coach, but not the ideal selection for the Cowboys.

 

[Idgit]

Yeh and you conveniently want to dismiss the fact that JG was part of that 1-7. Yeh I know you JG apologist can't admit he was part of anything bad and he is had everything to do with only good things that happened since 2007. How convenient.

It's more laughable you believing the 2-1 Jaguars are good as 2-1 Patriots since they have the same win/loss record.

Jason was the OC during that 1-7 season. We all know that, right?

They finished 5-3 when he took over as HC by the way. Same exact team, only Tony Romo had the broken clavicle. You were saying?

We'll see how the Jags and Pats end up. All we know so far is they've performed similarly to-date very early in the season.

 

[Zman5]

Jason was the OC during that 1-7 season. We all know that, right?

They finished 5-3 when he took over as HC by the way. Same exact team, only Tony Romo had the broken clavicle. You were saying?

We'll see how the Jags and Pats end up. All we know so far is they've performed similarly to-date very early in the season.

And what was his record for next three years with a franchise QB, the best pass rusher and top 3 WR?

It doesn't change the fact he inherited a good team and did nothing with it due to making boneheaded coaching mistakes.

But according to you, JG is God and he invented the Internet.

 

[Idgit]

And what was his record for next three years with a franchise QB, the best pass rusher and top 3 WR?

It doesn't change the fact he inherited a good team and did nothing with it due to making boneheaded coaching mistakes.

But according to you, JG is God and he invented the Internet.

24-24. Top ~quartile in the league over his tenure, overall. I mean, if you're counting wins.

JG isn't a god, and didn't invent the internet. He's just a pretty good coach and a good fit in Dallas. Even though it pains you to have been wrong about that fact.

 

[Doomsay]

How could any Cowboys fan like this squanderer of talent? The absolute embodiment of the average coordinator shouldn't get more than one battlefield promotion, Peter principle.