NCAA : Athletes CAN profit

[atlantacowboy]

This could be a titanic shift in college athletics. Over time, this is going to kill the small town schools. The new powers in college football will be schools like UCLA, USC, Miami, and other schools located in or near large cities that will afford athletes more opportunities to earn money. Schools like OU, Alabama, and Clemson............good luck to them.

 

[uvaballa]

Knew this was coming especially after lawmakers started passing laws. Good for the kids. My wife was at the meeting today in ATL so i'll see if I can get the inside scoop.

 

[csirl]

In most amateur sports worldwide, even those with very strict amateur playing rules, athletes can make money from appearances and endorsements etc.

 

[atlantacowboy]

In most amateur sports worldwide, even those with very strict amateur playing rules, athletes can make money from appearances and endorsements etc.

Amateur atheletics only exists in the NCAA. The olympics moved on from amateurism in 1986........ the idea that people should not be allowed to make money resulting from their own efforts and hard work is pure evil . I agree with those who say that the notion of amateurism itself is rooted in slavery.

 

[John813]

Dunno about that. If the team can produce a winner, even in Bama, players will still get opportunities to be paid for their endorsements/name.
Players will still go to the teams they believe can showcase their talents so they can get drafted.

Sure, more populated areas could be more appealing, but if the team sucks/bad coaching/recruiting I don't see this as a big shift just yet. Now if USC got another Pete Carroll or Miami a Jimmy Johnson who can produce championships, yea, it could sway a player from deciding between OU, or UM.

 

[csirl]

Amateur atheletics only exists in the NCAA. The olympics moved on from amateurism in 1986........ the idea that people should not be allowed to make money resulting from their own efforts and hard work is pure evil . I agree with those who say that the notion of amateurism itself is rooted in slavery.

I agree with what you say about people not being allowed to make money.

NCAA isnt the only amateur sports organisation. There are still quite a few around. The GAA is one of the biggest - crowds of up to 80,000, but players strictly amateur (though the can earn from endorsements).

I dont agree that it has its roots in slavery. In fact its the opposite. The early days of amateur sport were dominated by the upper classes. Amateurism was a way of excluding ordinary people as only the privileged classes who are wealthy could dedicate a few years of their life to playing amateur sport at a high level. The Olympics were originally like this. Rugby, which is a upper class sport only adopted professionalism very recently. Bastions of upper class sport such as Wimbledon tennis and the Ryder Cup also held onto amateurism long after their sports were professional.

 

[Diehardblues]

This could be a titanic shift in college athletics. Over time, this is going to kill the small town schools. The new powers in college football will be schools like UCLA, USC, Miami, and other schools located in or near large cities that will afford athletes more opportunities to earn money. Schools like OU, Alabama, and Clemson............good luck to them.

Early rumors are this will not be implemented as it was designed to be. Other states will need to legislate accordingly. It’s not set to even go into effect until 2023. And if the NCAA doesn’t approve and schools or conferences who choose to participate are declared ineligible if their student athletes are involved big schools and conferences would lose too much TV revenue and Bowl money.


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[Diehardblues]

Amateur atheletics only exists in the NCAA. The olympics moved on from amateurism in 1986........ the idea that people should not be allowed to make money resulting from their own efforts and hard work is pure evil . I agree with those who say that the notion of amateurism itself is rooted in slavery.

What some are missing is these kids are student athletes. Remember only about 10% of all Amateur athletes turn professional. The rest will need their college education which most couldn’t have afforded otherwise.

The NFL doesn’t even want these kids until they’ve played 3 years in college. Or they could be just as NBA and MLB is signing them right out of high school if they want.

 

[Diehardblues]

Many of these kids wouldn’t be offered the opportunities they are in the NFL without their performances in NCAA.

The leap from high school to NFL is simply too great in NFL as these kids simply haven’t matured their size and athletic ability at age 17 or 18 which could place their bodies in more jeopardy at NFL level.

 

[Diehardblues]

This issue is really only applicable to a very small portion of high profile student athletes who all will eventually realize their huge payday in the NFL and be immortalized at their respective universities.

The rest of these student athletes who make up the bulk of professional players in NFL will only make minimum wage making up the bulk of players hovering around 70-80% who earn less than 1 million a year who wouldn’t have been chose for endorsements.

 

[Diehardblues]

Basically we’re legislating which would only apply to probably about 1% of student athletes considering only 10% go professional which many are not celebrities and or high profile which is usually only 1st round pics .

So if you consider that only 1 of 7 rounds is a high profile pick which includes supplemental picks in lower rounds along with a few free agent signings is how you arrive at this 1% are high profile kids. It might not even be that high.

All this hoopla for that ? If you really want to help these kids then provide them some transportation , some spending money to eat, etc which is basically already being done thru scholarships and boosters but some tweaks could be done.

But to completely revamp the system which has worked so well for this Top 1% once they go professional appears not necessary especially if it places the bulk of players with less scholarship opportunities.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Basically we’re legislating which would only apply to probably about 1% of student athletes considering only 10% go professional which many are not celebrities and or high profile which is usually only 1st round pics .

So if you consider that only 1 of 7 rounds is a high profile pick which includes supplemental picks in lower rounds along with a few free agent signings is how you arrive at this 1% are high profile kids. It might not even be that high.

All this hoopla for that ? If you really want to help these kids then provide them some transportation , some spending money to eat, etc which is basically already being done thru scholarships and boosters but some tweaks could be done.

But to completely revamp the system which has worked so well for this Top 1% once they go professional appears not necessary especially if it places the bulk of players with less scholarship opportunities.

Its the principle. Nobody should have the right to earn off of your likeness or tell you that you can't get paid for selling an autograph. This may not benefit the women's softball team but it won't effect them either. But, if a youth league wants to pay a star softball pitcher $500 to make an appearence at a summer clinic, the NCAA nor anyone else should have the right to step in and say "no no you can't take that money". The system sucks and has sucked for years. It never made any sense.

 

[Diehardblues]

Its the principle. Nobody should have the right to earn off of your likeness or tell you that you can't get paid for selling an autograph. This may not benefit the women's softball team but it won't effect them either. But, if a youth league wants to pay a star softball pitcher $500 to make an appearence at a summer clinic, the NCAA nor anyone else should have the right to step in and say "no no you can't take that money". The system sucks and has sucked for years. It never made any sense.

Maybe these student athletes should pay for their tuition , books and room and board like most everyone else.

Apparently they aren’t valuing the education or opportunity they are being afforded.

 

[Diehardblues]

No one is forcing these kids to accept these scholarships. Don’t go to school and see where that gets you.

It’s an excellent process for the majority of student athletes . While I’d agree some tweaks could be made why over haul to suit a very small majority who would be effected ?

 

[Diehardblues]

Heres a tweak that’s needed. Transportation for student athletes.

2016 Div 3 National Champion Mary Hardin Baylor recently had their championship taken away because their HC provided one of their players the use of one of his cars.

And Div 3 athletics doesn’t even provide athletic scholarships. That’s lame IMO. These are the kind of tweaks that could be made.

But these student athletes being paid for endorsements when they are representing their University is quite another issue.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Yes, the majority of these players will never make it to the pros, but that doesn't mean these colleges have not made more off them, then the cost of their education. Throw in there, that regardless of how much the education is worth, that doesn't mean that the NCAA players want to be compensated in that way. I don't know how much they should be paid (or at least be able to profit off their name/likeness), but it's inconceivable to me that in 2019 they aren't getting paid.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

No one is forcing these kids to accept these scholarships. Don’t go to school and see where that gets you.

It’s an excellent process for the majority of student athletes . While I’d agree some tweaks could be made why over haul to suit a very small majority who would be effected ?

They accept scholarships because the Universities are almost the exclusive feeder systems for pro sports, which let's be honest is against all sorts of anti trust laws. As much as I hate and am annoyed by Lavar Ball, his league doesn't stand a chance at lasting (think it already folded) because the NCAA has a monopoly on athletics at that level. Why do they? Because they don't pay their work force and use that revenue as well as tax dollars to pay coaches and have access to top trainers, medical staff, whatever.

Take that advantage away and you'll see players aren't forced to take scholorships.

 

[dogunwo]

Maybe these student athletes should pay for their tuition , books and room and board like most everyone else.

Apparently they aren’t valuing the education or opportunity they are being afforded.

Your points would make more sense if the schools are paying them, which they won't be. Not one dollar would be coming from the school. So saying, they should pay for their own tuition and such is very nonsensical. This eliminates the NCAA and the schools from being the only ones to profit off of the kids. Furthermore, the schools need the players just as much if not more than the students need the university. That's why the schools spend so much money in recruiting. A lot of the kids who you state should just be happy with a free education might not have been to college, but someone OFFERED the scholarship in exchange for your abilities to help the school win in a sport, not to own your likeness. Stop painting the picture as if the schools are just being so charitable to offer these poor kids something.

 

[Diehardblues]

They accept scholarships because the Universities are almost the exclusive feeder systems for pro sports, which let's be honest is against all sorts of anti trust laws. As much as I hate and am annoyed by Lavar Ball, his league doesn't stand a chance at lasting (think it already folded) because the NCAA has a monopoly on athletics at that level. Why do they? Because they don't pay their work force and use that revenue as well as tax dollars to pay coaches and have access to top trainers, medical staff, whatever.

Take that advantage away and you'll see players aren't forced to take scholorships.

That’s not true. Only in the NFL are kids required to wait 3 years of college eligibility. And that’s the NFL rules not the NCAA.

Over 90% of these kids are dependent on the college education which is ample compensation . The rest will be fully compensated once they turn professional.

 

[csirl]

There's an interesting development happening in pro football. An alternative pathway to the NFL is being developed i.e. not using college football. This pathway involves a couple of years as a pro in one of the better leagues outside USA e.g. GFL, Mexico etc., followed by a couple of years in the CFL (and possibly the XFL): before going to the NFL. The pathway is currently aimed at International players who dont have easy access to NCAA football, but it will be interesting to see if any top high school players go this route and pick up paycheques over the 4 year period.

P.S. this pathway is not being developed by the NFL - there are others behind it. But would a 22 year old with e.g. 2 years pro in GFL and 2 years pro in CFL have a better chance at making the NFL versus one who played NCAA football?