Nervous about our offensive line after hearing Big Nate's comments

[rambo2]

This is one big reason why JJ is a bad roster builder. He almost always chooses “best case scenarios” for the season instead of doing what great GMs do- prepare for the worst case scenario. When the Cowboys decided to part ways with Collins, and did not select a more proven Lineman in the draft, it was a gamble.

Tyler Smith is talented and has upside. I like the kid’s future. But he’s still young, raw and untested. Does anyone here believe Tyron Smith plays more than 10 games this year? So…we can expect 21 year old Tyler Smith to be our LT and play well? Because there currently is no plan that I’m aware of for someone to step in adequately for #77 when he starts missing games.

It’s just bad roster planning IMO. Sure, it could work out. But what if it doesn’t? The “what if it doesn’t” is a simple explanation of the last 26 years around here.

Their obvious plan is to go with young players and this team is good and should be good in the future.

 

[Typhus]

Nate's point was he has played the position at the level and at that age.... he knows what is realistic. He said no one would admit it yet, but dude is on pace to miss several games again this year if already being held out for back issues.

Its a bit early to be worrying about Tyrons health.
TC doesn't begin for another week so everyone needs to relax a bit, mini camps are for the rooks mainly and Tyron will be a highly managed player all season.
LTs dont grow on trees, and every game we can have him healthy to start is necessary.

 

[Rockport]

Was listening to a recent podcast of Hanging with the Boys and don't have a lot of confidence in our OLine after hearing Big Nate talk about it.

Nate was reporting about Tyron Smith already having back problems in training camp. Nate basically said if he's having it this early you can go ahead and assume he's missing significant games this year, which I agree with.

The crew started talking about Tyron's backup because we saw how much it hurt last year. They talked about Zack Martin's comment on Tyler Smith learning 2 positions as a rookie. Zack basically said that it's much easier to learn two positions on the same side instead of going back and forth because at least some of the technique stays the same. Newton doesn't sound too high on the remark though. Being practical, he said Zack is a once in a lifetime talent, was Pro Bowl caliber from day one, and what may look easy for Zack is not the same for Tyler. Much longer and funnier bit that Nate launches into on this and why so many superstars are not great coaches, but he's right. And this reminds me of a thread here asking if we should be worried that Smith wasn't on the starters practice team from day one, because that does worry me, and yes, Zack was on the first team from day one.

Didn't hear much good or bad about Tyler, just doesn't seem like Nate is sure he's the one at LT. The crew didn't sound very high on Josh Ball either. They didn't talk much about Connor McGovern either, at least not the parts I listened to. They were pretty much mocking our depth at offensive tackle right now. Nate's philosophy is that if the left tackle and center are not locked up, a team won't have much success, and can get by at the other positions on the line. His jokes about Dak better learning how to run again this year have me worried.

If you listen to Hanging With the Boys, Nate is always the practical one. He's not a homer like Irvin. He's not one of those guys who gets in the dumps like the rest of the media and fans. He keeps it light, practical and makes his predictions and observations like an everyday player using some good examples from his career or others to explain his points.

LINK BELOW if you want to listen to it. One of the better episodes I've listen to. It starts with a great tribute to MB3 from Jesse Holley. Some good stories about MB3 you don't hear.

Hangin' with the Boys: Remembering Marion (dallascowboys.com)

I suggest y’all just skip the season. Everything is negative so why watch.

 

[erod]

Running back seems good.

Zeke or Pollard have to miss a few games.... now what?

 

[john van brocklin]

Zeke or Pollard have to miss a few games.... now what?

They don't have to miss any games.
Especially if they are sharing the load.
It's a lot more likely the Tyrone is going to miss games
seeing that he has not missed a game since 2015.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Was listening to a recent podcast of Hanging with the Boys and don't have a lot of confidence in our OLine after hearing Big Nate talk about it.

Nate was reporting about Tyron Smith already having back problems in training camp. Nate basically said if he's having it this early you can go ahead and assume he's missing significant games this year, which I agree with.

The crew started talking about Tyron's backup because we saw how much it hurt last year. They talked about Zack Martin's comment on Tyler Smith learning 2 positions as a rookie. Zack basically said that it's much easier to learn two positions on the same side instead of going back and forth because at least some of the technique stays the same. Newton doesn't sound too high on the remark though. Being practical, he said Zack is a once in a lifetime talent, was Pro Bowl caliber from day one, and what may look easy for Zack is not the same for Tyler. Much longer and funnier bit that Nate launches into on this and why so many superstars are not great coaches, but he's right. And this reminds me of a thread here asking if we should be worried that Smith wasn't on the starters practice team from day one, because that does worry me, and yes, Zack was on the first team from day one.

Didn't hear much good or bad about Tyler, just doesn't seem like Nate is sure he's the one at LT. The crew didn't sound very high on Josh Ball either. They didn't talk much about Connor McGovern either, at least not the parts I listened to. They were pretty much mocking our depth at offensive tackle right now. Nate's philosophy is that if the left tackle and center are not locked up, a team won't have much success, and can get by at the other positions on the line. His jokes about Dak better learning how to run again this year have me worried.

If you listen to Hanging With the Boys, Nate is always the practical one. He's not a homer like Irvin. He's not one of those guys who gets in the dumps like the rest of the media and fans. He keeps it light, practical and makes his predictions and observations like an everyday player using some good examples from his career or others to explain his points.

LINK BELOW if you want to listen to it. One of the better episodes I've listen to. It starts with a great tribute to MB3 from Jesse Holley. Some good stories about MB3 you don't hear.

Hangin' with the Boys: Remembering Marion (dallascowboys.com)

I have been worried for months. We already know Smith is going to get hurt. This is a 2 or 3 year Oline redo. Going to take at least one more offseason using a first round pick and then some to fix things.

 

[erod]

They don't have to miss any games.
Especially if they are sharing the load.
It's a lot more likely the Tyrone is going to miss games
seeing that he has not missed a game since 2015.

Running backs get injured a ton.

 

[ondaedg]

Physical attributes lead to a QB's style of play. Shorter QB"s tend to be more athletic than taller QB's. Meaning shorter QB"s can take off quicker than taller QB's. So says the simple laws of physics. So a taller QB who knows he can't run will learn to make quicker decision. Where as a shorter QB will hold onto the ball longer waiting for something to open up. Athletic QB's tend to think if one DL breaks free, they can just out run him. But, if this athletic QB isn't super fast, they often end up just getting sacked. That's why you'll always see some happy footed QB leading the league in sacks.

So what the Rams and Bengals accomplished last year, with lesser OL play, was due to their tall non-running QB's making quicker decision. A good team building HC or GM would understand his QB's style of play and put a team around him that allows him to succeed. So some of the taller QB's can get away with not having the best OL's, because they've conditioned themselves mentally to handle that situation. Just because the Rams and Bengals can get away with it, doesn't mean that Dallas can. We must remember, Dak needs one hundred yards on the ground to win.

So your hypothesis is that Stafford and Burrow due to their taller stature tend to make quicker decisions getting the ball out of their hands and take less sacks. That’s interesting because Burrow led the league getting sacked 50 times while Dak and Stafford were each sacked only 30 times. And Dak, Stafford and Burrow all were within .06 seconds of each other in TT or time to throw. So how on earth did you come up with anything you just said?

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

So your hypothesis is that Stafford and Burrow due to their taller stature tend to make quicker decisions getting the ball out of their hands and take less sacks. That’s interesting because Burrow led the league getting sacked 50 times while Dak and Stafford were each sacked only 30 times. And Dak, Stafford and Burrow all were within .06 seconds of each other in TT or time to throw. So how on earth did you come up with anything you just said?

It's a general statement. There are always exceptions, but for the most part it's a reliable concept.

David Carr's offensive line was so bad he could help but be sacked a lot.

 

[gimmesix]

Was listening to a recent podcast of Hanging with the Boys and don't have a lot of confidence in our OLine after hearing Big Nate talk about it.

Nate was reporting about Tyron Smith already having back problems in training camp. Nate basically said if he's having it this early you can go ahead and assume he's missing significant games this year, which I agree with.

The crew started talking about Tyron's backup because we saw how much it hurt last year. They talked about Zack Martin's comment on Tyler Smith learning 2 positions as a rookie. Zack basically said that it's much easier to learn two positions on the same side instead of going back and forth because at least some of the technique stays the same. Newton doesn't sound too high on the remark though. Being practical, he said Zack is a once in a lifetime talent, was Pro Bowl caliber from day one, and what may look easy for Zack is not the same for Tyler. Much longer and funnier bit that Nate launches into on this and why so many superstars are not great coaches, but he's right. And this reminds me of a thread here asking if we should be worried that Smith wasn't on the starters practice team from day one, because that does worry me, and yes, Zack was on the first team from day one.

Didn't hear much good or bad about Tyler, just doesn't seem like Nate is sure he's the one at LT. The crew didn't sound very high on Josh Ball either. They didn't talk much about Connor McGovern either, at least not the parts I listened to. They were pretty much mocking our depth at offensive tackle right now. Nate's philosophy is that if the left tackle and center are not locked up, a team won't have much success, and can get by at the other positions on the line. His jokes about Dak better learning how to run again this year have me worried.

If you listen to Hanging With the Boys, Nate is always the practical one. He's not a homer like Irvin. He's not one of those guys who gets in the dumps like the rest of the media and fans. He keeps it light, practical and makes his predictions and observations like an everyday player using some good examples from his career or others to explain his points.

LINK BELOW if you want to listen to it. One of the better episodes I've listen to. It starts with a great tribute to MB3 from Jesse Holley. Some good stories about MB3 you don't hear.

Hangin' with the Boys: Remembering Marion (dallascowboys.com)

I'm not going to worry too much about Tyron missing time in the offseason. We know his back is an issue, so the team is going to give him as much time off as needed to try to get him through the season. Last season, his back wasn't the reason that he missed time (although maybe it would have been if he hadn't been rolled and injured his ankle). I expect him to miss his typical three-plus games, but until he shows that he can't play or that he can't play at a high level, I'm not going to worry that much about it.

 

[gimmesix]

5: Veteran players are held out of OTAs/mini-camps if they have even the slightest physical issue.
- Tyron did not have any back issues all of last season.
- Doctors had recommended the back/neck surgery about 5 years ago but he did not want to miss the start of a season recovering from surgery.
- His early move to IR in 2020 finally allowed him to get the surgery and still have time to recover before the next season.
- If his ankle had not been stepped on, he likely would have played all 17 games plus the playoff game.

I'm not sure based on his injury history if he would have played all 17 games and the playoff game, but the surgery did certainly address some of his major problems. He still had some issues with his back last year, though, (none that sidelined him) so I'm not surprised to see them be careful with any tightness or twitches.

 

[basel90]

Was listening to a recent podcast of Hanging with the Boys and don't have a lot of confidence in our OLine after hearing Big Nate talk about it.

Nate was reporting about Tyron Smith already having back problems in training camp. Nate basically said if he's having it this early you can go ahead and assume he's missing significant games this year, which I agree with.

The crew started talking about Tyron's backup because we saw how much it hurt last year. They talked about Zack Martin's comment on Tyler Smith learning 2 positions as a rookie. Zack basically said that it's much easier to learn two positions on the same side instead of going back and forth because at least some of the technique stays the same. Newton doesn't sound too high on the remark though. Being practical, he said Zack is a once in a lifetime talent, was Pro Bowl caliber from day one, and what may look easy for Zack is not the same for Tyler. Much longer and funnier bit that Nate launches into on this and why so many superstars are not great coaches, but he's right. And this reminds me of a thread here asking if we should be worried that Smith wasn't on the starters practice team from day one, because that does worry me, and yes, Zack was on the first team from day one.

Didn't hear much good or bad about Tyler, just doesn't seem like Nate is sure he's the one at LT. The crew didn't sound very high on Josh Ball either. They didn't talk much about Connor McGovern either, at least not the parts I listened to. They were pretty much mocking our depth at offensive tackle right now. Nate's philosophy is that if the left tackle and center are not locked up, a team won't have much success, and can get by at the other positions on the line. His jokes about Dak better learning how to run again this year have me worried.

If you listen to Hanging With the Boys, Nate is always the practical one. He's not a homer like Irvin. He's not one of those guys who gets in the dumps like the rest of the media and fans. He keeps it light, practical and makes his predictions and observations like an everyday player using some good examples from his career or others to explain his points.

LINK BELOW if you want to listen to it. One of the better episodes I've listen to. It starts with a great tribute to MB3 from Jesse Holley. Some good stories about MB3 you don't hear.

Hangin' with the Boys: Remembering Marion (dallascowboys.com)

should have gone after Trent Williams instead of paying stupid zeke and Dlaw . Trent was available after falling out with Washington.

 

[john van brocklin]

Running backs get injured a ton.

True , and they could both go down.
Tyrone has not played a complete season in 6 years.
Which scenerio is more likely ?

 

[HungryLion]

Don’t worry.

if our rookie guard plays very well


And nobody gets hurt through the entire 17 game season.

And Terrence Steele can improve and maintain a good level of play a whole season

and Biadasz can improve

Then we will be fine.

no worries

 

[xwalker]

I'm not sure based on his injury history if he would have played all 17 games and the playoff game, but the surgery did certainly address some of his major problems. He still had some issues with his back last year, though, (none that sidelined him) so I'm not surprised to see them be careful with any tightness or twitches.

I don't recall any reports of back issues last season.

This seems accurate:

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/tyron-smith/9392

 

[DandyDon52]

IMO the Cowboys have waited way too long to address the Tyron Smith situation. As great as #77 has been for so long, he has sadly turned into an occasionally good player that cannot consistently be counted on because of injuries. He hasn’t played a full season since 2015 and has missed a whopping 32 games since.

I know, many will point to his good games last year and his PFF rating which was good. But that doesn’t take into account his injury prone-ness or how poorly he played in the SF playoff game last January. It was probably Smith’s worst game of his career.

The LT position is arguably the 2nd or 3rd most important position on an NFL roster and we are still depending an a LT who cannot be depended upon any more.

Hey I love Tyron Smith. He is a borderline HOFer who IMO was THE BEST player we had from 2011-16. But he’s a shell of what he once was. And if we are depending on a talented but raw and untested rookie in Tyler Smith to be the LT when Tyron Smith is out…wow, that’s a big gamble.

This OL IMO is the key to this season. If it doesn’t get better than last year’s performance, this team is going nowhere.

would it be smarter to start tyler, use tyron as bkup, and then if they make playoffs, tyron should be ready to play if needed.
I think tyler needs to start , get the experience and learn thru the early part of the season.

if they play tyron from beginning of season, he will be wore out by mid season and not much value in playoffs.

 

[Corso]

I don't recall any reports of back issues last season.

This seems accurate:

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/tyron-smith/9392

Doesn't matter.
You're not going to change a single mind.
It is what it is.

 

[Bobhaze]

would it be smarter to start tyler, use tyron as bkup, and then if they make playoffs, tyron should be ready to play if needed.
I think tyler needs to start , get the experience and learn thru the early part of the season.

if they play tyron from beginning of season, he will be wore out by mid season and not much value in playoffs.

That’s a fair question. But I don’t think that would work.

IMO, a better approach would have been to recognize that Tyron is close to the end in 2020 and instead of drafting a WR in round one, they take a LT. I know Lamb is a fine player, but WRs are much easier to find than a LT. This FO has waited until it’s literally biting us in the backside to move on this. And frankly, I don’t think Tyler Smith will be a LT. I could be wrong, and hope I am. I just think this team needs lots of additional help on OL and DL before it can be a serious contender.

The problem this FO can never seem to move on from is having emotional attachments to players that are starting to decline or worse, are already there.

 

[speedkilz88]

That’s a fair question. But I don’t think that would work.

IMO, a better approach would have been to recognize that Tyron is close to the end in 2020 and instead of drafting a WR in round one, they take a LT. I know Lamb is a fine player, but WRs are much easier to find than a LT. This FO has waited until it’s literally biting us in the backside to move on this. And frankly, I don’t think Tyler Smith will be a LT. I could be wrong, and hope I am. I just think this team needs lots of additional help on OL and DL before it can be a serious contender.

The problem this FO can never seem to move on from is having emotional attachments to players that are starting to decline or worse, are already there.

There were only two OTs taken after CeeDee; right after Miami took Austin Jackson who started out at LT for them and is now at RT with Terron Armstead at LT. I don't think there's anybody who would take Jackson over CeeDee today even with hindsight except maybe you. The other was a red flag guy in Isaiah Wilson that the Titans took and traded to Miami after one year where the Dolphins released him 3 days later. He then was on the Giants practice squad last year and is currently not on a team.

 

[75boyz]

That’s a fair question. But I don’t think that would work.

IMO, a better approach would have been to recognize that Tyron is close to the end in 2020 and instead of drafting a WR in round one, they take a LT. I know Lamb is a fine player, but WRs are much easier to find than a LT. This FO has waited until it’s literally biting us in the backside to move on this. And frankly, I don’t think Tyler Smith will be a LT. I could be wrong, and hope I am. I just think this team needs lots of additional help on OL and DL before it can be a serious contender.

The problem this FO can never seem to move on from is having emotional attachments to players that are starting to decline or worse, are already there.

I had this same discussion with Asthma last offseason. If not for the extreme luck involved in the Micah pick, I was a strong supporter for Slater as the pick. As a matter of fact, many other highly competent rookie tackles could have been had as well.

But anyway, IF the choice had been Surtain or the South Carolina kid, I believe Slater would have proven to be the better long term choice.

Heck, he still might prove to be, lol.

Just kidding.(hopefully)

jmo