New Deal Or Not, Jerry Fully Expects Dez To “Lead The Way” vs. NY Giants

[Zimmy Lives]

It is just a game of The Price Is Right; Dez has the patio set in front of him but wants wants behind door #3.

 

[Doomsday101]

Exactly
Teams and players want long term deals
Deals rarely are about anything but dollars
Dez wants a long term deal not just for the security, but the money
Security sounds better in public but in reality it's about money
If it was just about security his agent would be more interested in the longest contract not the highest paying duh

True but the security is in the form of money you are guaranteed. You can throw a big contract number out there and on paper it looks great but if little is guaranteed it is just a number. Knowing no matter what happen a large portion of the deal is guaranteed is security. I think once both sides can agree how much of the money will be guaranteed the final deal will happen quickly

 

[conner01]

The main problem with being franchised is if your injured, and it is career ending injury, or lessens your ability to play the same, if that happens
Then the player is screwed compared to if he had a contract with 20 or more mil guaranteed.

If he plays this year and no injuries then it is ok, but there is the possibility of serious injury so that is the flaw of franchise tag.

What could correct this is if they had a clause saying if the player is injured and it ends his career or lessens his ability's, then he gets paid
a bonus of 30 mil that isnt on the teams cap. This could even be a insurance deal.
That way the player doesnt have to worry about being injured and only getting the tag salary for that year.

A player could always buy insurance
The NFLPA could have made that part of the CBA
But they didn't
This is the system both sides agreed to
If a player is worried about injury buy
insurance
No way a team should be on the hook for a top 5 salary and guarantee 30 mil if a player is injured
The ideal is to make it advantageous to sign a deal, not put all the gamble on the team
And how many players would pull a jay Ratliff if it paid them 30 million to fake being hurt

 

[conner01]

True but the security is in the form of money you are guaranteed. You can throw a big contract number out there and on paper it looks great but if little is guaranteed it is just a number. Knowing no matter what happen a large portion of the deal is guaranteed is security. I think once both sides can agree how much of the money will be guaranteed the final deal will happen quickly

Vey true
I sometimes think egos get in the way of reality
An agent wants his guy to sign a record contract
Player wants to be the highest paid
But in reality a more cap friendly deal many times assures you actually get more money because the team can keep you around and pay you for more years
They want a big bonus since that's all that's guaranteed and I don't blame them
But I rather have 13 mil a year with a nice bonus than a 17 mil a year deal that 20 mil I'm never going to actually get
Being the highest paid on paper doesn't usually put the most obey in your bank account

 

[Doomsday101]

A player could always buy insurance
The NFLPA could have made that part of the CBA
But they didn't
This is the system both sides agreed to
If a player is worried about injury buy
insurance
No way a team should be on the hook for a top 5 salary and guarantee 30 mil if a player is injured
The ideal is to make it advantageous to sign a deal, not put all the gamble on the team
And how many players would pull a jay Ratliff if it paid them 30 million to fake being hurt

Players in the past have bought insurance from places like Lloyds of London which is high risk insurance and is very costly. For the most part no one is going to insure your career when you play a game that your career could end on any given play at least not without a high cost. Players getting insurance is just not feasible

 

[DallasEast]

I have read that the Cowboys are still concerned about his off the field company. And let's not forget that he had a 24 hour person with him all the time with rules about drinking, strip clubs, ect...ect.... So now you are going to give this guy 100 million, make him rich to where he doesnt need to worry, then let him run around with no security to keep him out of trouble? I wouldnt take that chance.

I also think to a certain extent that Jerry feels like Dez owes the Cowboys something because he never would have gotten to this point in his career without their help and mentoring. Talent wise he always had it, but if they hadnt coddled him and put the security in place for him, he would have screwed things up for himself. I have to agree with that angle. But I am sure that Dez is just the opposite. Thinking that he did everything they asked him to do and stayed out of trouble so now he has earned a big contract and the freedom to be on his own. Tough situation. I would give him a 5 year contract for 12 or even 13 million per year at most with 2 years worth of salary guaranteed. Make the first two years salary very low so that most of that is the guaranteed money. So you are taking a 2 year chance on him. The back 3 years are non guaranteed and if he is doing well, you can restructure the agreement and extend it or give him more guaranteed money.

Who has been quoted while voicing these concerns? Jerry? Stephen? Jason? Or is the reported commentary more of the telepathic type? Bryant's going to get shortchanged for having someone shadow him? If the front office is suffering from these type of anxieties, they should not negotiate a contract. Just franchise him two seasons and cut him afterwards. In my opinion, they will address any relevant concerns rationally and approach the contract negotiations reasonably for the benefit of the franchise and Bryant. In the end, I believe everyone will see an amicable contract agreed upon by the club and Bryant devoid of scary what ifs and founded upon his top 3 wide receiver skill set alone.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I love having Dez on our team, but I will say this much- if he voluntarily sits out any number of games due to being franchise tagged, then my opinion of him will change.

With that being said, I don't expect him to sit out any games. I just don't think he could bring himself to do that (which is one of the reasons I like him so much).

I hope that they can agree on a long term deal sooner rather than later, however, if he signs that tag then he should play under it.

That's my opinion too. I'm for him getting all the money he can. He deserves it but if he sits out games and ruins our season, then my opinion of him will change.

 

[conner01]

Players in the past have bought insurance from places like Lloyds of London which is high risk insurance and is very costly. For the most part no one is going to insure your career when you play a game that your career could end on any given play at least not without a high cost. Players getting insurance is just not feasible

It is costly
That's why it's silly to expect the team to cover those costs
Looks like it cost about 10% of the policy based on some I've seen which is very expensive

 

[conner01]

Who has been quoted while voicing these concerns? Jerry? Stephen? Jason? Or is the reported commentary more of the telepathic type? Bryant's going to get shortchanged for having someone shadow him? If the front office is suffering from these type of anxieties, they should not negotiate a contract. Just franchise him two seasons and cut him afterwards. In my opinion, they will address any relevant concerns rationally and approach the contract negotiations reasonably for the benefit of the franchise and Bryant. In the end, I believe everyone will see an amicable contract agreed upon by the club and Bryant devoid of scary what ifs and founded upon his top 3 wide receiver skill set alone.

Lots of stuff gets leaked during contract negotiations
I think it's all about the money
The team doesn't want to hurt their long term cap and dez wants as much as he can get
I see both sides but in the end it seems like a deal is better for dez than no deal even if that deal is below what he thinks he's worth
Setting out is a silly plan and I don't think there is any doubt dez value will be much less in 2 years
A reasonable deal where he gets 4 years of actual pay is going to make him as much if not more than playing 2 years under the tag and hitting the market at that age

 

[ElGatoGrande]

So, Dez wants to be obscenely overpaid AND for the the Cowboys to take all of the injury risk with a large sum of guaranteed money? Seems like a sane deal would involve trade-off of one or the other.

 

[mahoneybill]

I have read that the Cowboys are still concerned about his off the field company. And let's not forget that he had a 24 hour person with him all the time with rules about drinking, strip clubs, ect...ect.... So now you are going to give this guy 100 million, make him rich to where he doesnt need to worry, then let him run around with no security to keep him out of trouble? I wouldnt take that chance.

I also think to a certain extent that Jerry feels like Dez owes the Cowboys something because he never would have gotten to this point in his career without their help and mentoring. Talent wise he always had it, but if they hadnt coddled him and put the security in place for him, he would have screwed things up for himself. I have to agree with that angle. But I am sure that Dez is just the opposite. Thinking that he did everything they asked him to do and stayed out of trouble so now he has earned a big contract and the freedom to be on his own. Tough situation. I would give him a 5 year contract for 12 or even 13 million per year at most with 2 years worth of salary guaranteed. Make the first two years salary very low so that most of that is the guaranteed money. So you are taking a 2 year chance on him. The back 3 years are non guaranteed and if he is doing well, you can restructure the agreement and extend it or give him more guaranteed money.

Good plan and thinking. Franchising him , if I understand it correctly, is in essence guaranteeing money anyway . Don't know how injury plays into it, but thinking that we could wind up in a 2 year franchise I like the intent of your solution/s

 

[CowboyRoy]

Who has been quoted while voicing these concerns? Jerry? Stephen? Jason? Or is the reported commentary more of the telepathic type? Bryant's going to get shortchanged for having someone shadow him? If the front office is suffering from these type of anxieties, they should not negotiate a contract. Just franchise him two seasons and cut him afterwards. In my opinion, they will address any relevant concerns rationally and approach the contract negotiations reasonably for the benefit of the franchise and Bryant. In the end, I believe everyone will see an amicable contract agreed upon by the club and Bryant devoid of scary what ifs and founded upon his top 3 wide receiver skill set alone.

I dont see why they wouldnt be scared. I would be. Cant remember whether it was quoted directly from those guys or not. I have no doubts it will get worked out. But if I were them, I would want safety mechanisms in there.

 

[DallasEast]

I dont see why they wouldnt be scared. I would be. Cant remember whether it was quoted directly from those guys or not. I have no doubts it will get worked out. But if I were them, I would want safety mechanisms in there.

You may be right. They may be scared excrementless. Or they may have grown more confident in Bryant over time as they should be. I believe everyone will soon find out if it is the former should they treat Bryant as a child during the negotiations. I'm betting they won't though.

 

[DandyDon52]

CowboyRoy said: ↑
I have read that the Cowboys are still concerned about his off the field company. And let's not forget that he had a 24 hour person with him all the time with rules about drinking, strip clubs, ect...ect.... So now you are going to give this guy 100 million, make him rich to where he doesnt need to worry, then let him run around with no security to keep him out of trouble? I wouldnt take that chance.

I also think to a certain extent that Jerry feels like Dez owes the Cowboys something because he never would have gotten to this point in his career without their help and mentoring. Talent wise he always had it, but if they hadnt coddled him and put the security in place for him, he would have screwed things up for himself. I have to agree with that angle. But I am sure that Dez is just the opposite. Thinking that he did everything they asked him to do and stayed out of trouble so now he has earned a big contract and the freedom to be on his own. Tough situation. I would give him a 5 year contract for 12 or even 13 million per year at most with 2 years worth of salary guaranteed. Make the first two years salary very low so that most of that is the guaranteed money. So you are taking a 2 year chance on him. The back 3 years are non guaranteed and if he is doing well, you can restructure the agreement and extend it or give him more guaranteed money.

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I agree, and think the cowboys FO also are thinking along these lines.