New Game Called Find Jeff Heath

[Sydla]

Give me the first round pick I could understand what you're saying. Just shows the confidence in what we have in front of him. We only rushed for yesterday. We need a run stopper

There have been plenty of 2nd round DTs that have played right from the start of their career and been effective.

Trying to claim this is totally normal for a 2nd round pick is simply not accurate.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

And the hate train rolls on.....

Wanting Health to perform better is the same thing as hating him?

 

[Whirlwin]

Jeff heath g.o.a.t



Sarc /off

4 great only at tackling. Good only after the play.

 

[Sydla]

Yes it's telling. But what is it telling us. I don't think it's saying they don't believe in him

I think it tells us that their second round pick, a guy they tried to sell to the fans at the draft as a guy who could make an impact, isn't good enough in the coaches eyes to be active in their first game.

I am sure they think he has potential, but him not being active pretty clearly tells you the coaching staff thinks he can't play and be effective right now. I am sure they think/hope they can develop him in the future.

It also doesn't help that guys they targeted and could have drafted, like Thornhill, are active and played well in their first games.

 

[Whirlwin]

There have been plenty of 2nd round DTs that have played right from the start of their career and been effective.

Trying to claim this is totally normal for a 2nd round pick is simply not accurate.

Yeah but they were on the less talented teams. I actually like are starters. But make no mistake about it I've been begging for a defensive tackle for Five Seasons now. So I know exactly what you're saying. But I'm not making the decisions

 

[Melonfeud]

I never said he did but thinking LVE played really good and Smith was terrible is a reach.

As I said, that first drive alone, LVE misread the Barkley run and let him get a huge game (partially thanks to the dumb angle Heath later took) and then on the TD, LVE totally screwed up and got caught on the play action.

I found both LBs play to be "mehhhh".

Ya,I recall seeing the #38's slightly miscalculated flight vectoring coordinates being applied in his closing the distance gap on that one Barkley run you're speaking of.
I also recall seeing the the #38 come zooming in from an oblique angle and promptly zap Barkley outta' bounds ,as easily as you or I could kick a bale of hay down from the overhead loft,,,also.

 

[Whirlwin]

Ya,I recall seeing the #38's slightly miscalculated flight vectoring coordinates being applied in his closing the distance gap on that one Barkley run you're speaking of.
I also recall seeing the the #38 come zooming in from an oblique angle and promptly zap Barkley outta' bounds ,as easily as you or I could kick a bale of hay down from the overhead loft,,,also.

Thanks for refreshing my memory because someone else said that didn't happen. I'm not that old.

 

[Whirlwin]

Wanting Health to perform better is the same thing as hating him?

Make no mistake about it he's not as bad as people make him out to be.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Here's PFF's grading from sunday for safeties. Can you find Jeff Heath?

1 Anthony Harris MIN 41 92.5
2 Marcus Maye NYJ 20 92.3
3 Earl Thomas III BLT 29 90.9
4 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix CHI 21 90.0
5 Tracy Walker DET 21 81.2
6 Harrison Smith MIN 22 78.4
7 Adrian Amos GB 31 78.1
7 Eric Weddle LA 32 78.1
9 Bradley McDougald SEA 30 76.9
10 Shawn Williams CIN 36 71.0
11 Jarrod Wilson JAX 26 70.9
12 Reshad Jones MIA 20 70.6
13 Jordan Poyer BUF 21 70.0
14 Darnell Savage GB 26 69.9
15 Juan Thornhill KC 22 69.5
16 Budda Baker ARZ 32 69.0
17 Taylor Rapp LA 24 66.7
18 Montae Nicholson WAS 35 66.6
19 Tony Jefferson BLT 23 66.5
20 Tre Boston CAR 33 66.3
21 Jabrill Peppers NYG 21 65.5
22 Jessie Bates III CIN 30 65.0
23 Amani Hooker TEN 37 64.8
24 Micah Hyde BUF 23 63.0
24 Jamal Adams NYJ 33 62.8
25 Andrew Sendejo PHI 42 62.0
25 Rodney McLeod PHI 23 62.0
27 Damarious Randall CLV 23 61.4
28 Quandre Diggs DET 28 61.4
30 Kenny Vaccaro TEN 24 61.0
31 Raven Greene GB 24 60.4
32 Bobby McCain MIA 28 58.9
32 Tyrann Mathieu KC 32 60.3
33 Ricardo Allen ATL 37 58.4
35 John Johnson III LA 43 56.7
36 Eric Reid CAR 25 56.3
36 Kevin Byard TEN 31 56.4
36 Landon Collins WAS 20 56.3
39 Xavier Woods DAL 25 54.3
39 Eddie Jackson CHI 39 56.1
41 Malcolm Jenkins PHI 27 51.1
41 Marqui Christian LA 26 53.2
42 Morgan Burnett CLV 42 49.9
43 Keanu Neal ATL 22 48.9
44 Antoine Bethea NYG 41 47.8
46 Jeff Heath DAL 38 42.3 55.7 27.6 Coverage grade of 55.7 Run Defense grade of 27.6
46 D.J. Swearinger Sr. ARZ 36 43.8
48 Ronnie Harrison JAX 36 39.0
48 Jermaine Whitehead CLV 35 38.6
50 Minkah Fitzpatrick MIA 29 27.3
51 Tedric Thompson SEA 33 25.5

Should have taken S Juan Thornhill instead of DT Trysten Hill.

 

[Sydla]

Make no mistake about it he's not as bad as people make him out to be.

He's a bottom third of the league starting S.

So yeah, he's as bad as people make him out to be.

 

[Whirlwin]

He's a bottom third of the league starting S.

So yeah, he's as bad as people make him out to be.

I disagree what you have to be the best to get credit. The dude is a football player. And people need people like him on there team. So many great opportunities have been taken away from him because of calls or penalties. You get some of those interceptions especially against Green Bay and your loving him

 

[Whirlwin]

Should have taken S Juan Thornhill instead of DT Trysten Hill.

Don't go there LOL hindsight is always better after the fact.

 

[Whirlwin]

He's a bottom third of the league starting S.

So yeah, he's as bad as people make him out to be.

You make it sound like you shouldn't even be in the league or on the team.

 

[Sydla]

I disagree what you have to be the best to get credit. The dude is a football player. And people need people like him on there team. So many great opportunities have been taken away from him because of calls or penalties. You get some of those interceptions especially against Green Bay and your loving him

Again, he's a bottom third starting S in this league.

Few have said they don't want him on the team. They just don't want him starting. He has a place on this team......... as a special teams guy and backup safety.

 

[Sydla]

You make it sound like you shouldn't even be in the league or on the team.

No, you just can't read. I said he's a bottom third STARTING SAFETY. And he is.

I have no problem with him being a backup S on this team.

 

[Whirlwin]

There have been plenty of 2nd round DTs that have played right from the start of their career and been effective.

Trying to claim this is totally normal for a 2nd round pick is simply not accurate.

Saying all 2nd round defensive tackles. Start Right off the bat is simply not accurate also

 

[Whirlwin]

No, you just can't read. I said he's a bottom third STARTING SAFETY. And he is.

I have no problem with him being a backup S on this team.

Obviously you're having a comprehension problem also because I never said he should be the starter. I simply said we need guys like him on the team. Did you wake up silly this morning my cowboy brother

 

[CATCH17]

People talk about Heath way too much.

He doesn't positively or negatively impact a game enough to warrant all this conversation. We might as well talk about the fullback while we're at it.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Here's PFF's grading from sunday for safeties. Can you find Jeff Heath?

1 Anthony Harris MIN 41 92.5
2 Marcus Maye NYJ 20 92.3
3 Earl Thomas III BLT 29 90.9
4 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix CHI 21 90.0
5 Tracy Walker DET 21 81.2
6 Harrison Smith MIN 22 78.4
7 Adrian Amos GB 31 78.1
7 Eric Weddle LA 32 78.1
9 Bradley McDougald SEA 30 76.9
10 Shawn Williams CIN 36 71.0
11 Jarrod Wilson JAX 26 70.9
12 Reshad Jones MIA 20 70.6
13 Jordan Poyer BUF 21 70.0
14 Darnell Savage GB 26 69.9
15 Juan Thornhill KC 22 69.5
16 Budda Baker ARZ 32 69.0
17 Taylor Rapp LA 24 66.7
18 Montae Nicholson WAS 35 66.6
19 Tony Jefferson BLT 23 66.5
20 Tre Boston CAR 33 66.3
21 Jabrill Peppers NYG 21 65.5
22 Jessie Bates III CIN 30 65.0
23 Amani Hooker TEN 37 64.8
24 Micah Hyde BUF 23 63.0
24 Jamal Adams NYJ 33 62.8
25 Andrew Sendejo PHI 42 62.0
25 Rodney McLeod PHI 23 62.0
27 Damarious Randall CLV 23 61.4
28 Quandre Diggs DET 28 61.4
30 Kenny Vaccaro TEN 24 61.0
31 Raven Greene GB 24 60.4
32 Bobby McCain MIA 28 58.9
32 Tyrann Mathieu KC 32 60.3
33 Ricardo Allen ATL 37 58.4
35 John Johnson III LA 43 56.7
36 Eric Reid CAR 25 56.3
36 Kevin Byard TEN 31 56.4
36 Landon Collins WAS 20 56.3
39 Xavier Woods DAL 25 54.3
39 Eddie Jackson CHI 39 56.1
41 Malcolm Jenkins PHI 27 51.1
41 Marqui Christian LA 26 53.2
42 Morgan Burnett CLV 42 49.9
43 Keanu Neal ATL 22 48.9
44 Antoine Bethea NYG 41 47.8
46 Jeff Heath DAL 38 42.3 55.7 27.6 Coverage grade of 55.7 Run Defense grade of 27.6
46 D.J. Swearinger Sr. ARZ 36 43.8
48 Ronnie Harrison JAX 36 39.0
48 Jermaine Whitehead CLV 35 38.6
50 Minkah Fitzpatrick MIA 29 27.3
51 Tedric Thompson SEA 33 25.5

Heath should not be in the box. He's a deep zone coverage corner, and pretty good at that, but worse and worse the closer they force him to the LOS.

Note that for all the hoopla for Woods, he was no picnic either, and he at least gets to play his natural position.

Wilson should be taking over much of Heath's run defense responsibilities. Then people can spend their time complaining about Heath's poor kicking.

 

[snapper]

Here's PFF's grading from sunday for safeties. Can you find Jeff Heath?

1 Anthony Harris MIN 41 92.5
2 Marcus Maye NYJ 20 92.3
3 Earl Thomas III BLT 29 90.9
4 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix CHI 21 90.0
5 Tracy Walker DET 21 81.2
6 Harrison Smith MIN 22 78.4
7 Adrian Amos GB 31 78.1
7 Eric Weddle LA 32 78.1
9 Bradley McDougald SEA 30 76.9
10 Shawn Williams CIN 36 71.0
11 Jarrod Wilson JAX 26 70.9
12 Reshad Jones MIA 20 70.6
13 Jordan Poyer BUF 21 70.0
14 Darnell Savage GB 26 69.9
15 Juan Thornhill KC 22 69.5
16 Budda Baker ARZ 32 69.0
17 Taylor Rapp LA 24 66.7
18 Montae Nicholson WAS 35 66.6
19 Tony Jefferson BLT 23 66.5
20 Tre Boston CAR 33 66.3
21 Jabrill Peppers NYG 21 65.5
22 Jessie Bates III CIN 30 65.0
23 Amani Hooker TEN 37 64.8
24 Micah Hyde BUF 23 63.0
24 Jamal Adams NYJ 33 62.8
25 Andrew Sendejo PHI 42 62.0
25 Rodney McLeod PHI 23 62.0
27 Damarious Randall CLV 23 61.4
28 Quandre Diggs DET 28 61.4
30 Kenny Vaccaro TEN 24 61.0
31 Raven Greene GB 24 60.4
32 Bobby McCain MIA 28 58.9
32 Tyrann Mathieu KC 32 60.3
33 Ricardo Allen ATL 37 58.4
35 John Johnson III LA 43 56.7
36 Eric Reid CAR 25 56.3
36 Kevin Byard TEN 31 56.4
36 Landon Collins WAS 20 56.3
39 Xavier Woods DAL 25 54.3
39 Eddie Jackson CHI 39 56.1
41 Malcolm Jenkins PHI 27 51.1
41 Marqui Christian LA 26 53.2
42 Morgan Burnett CLV 42 49.9
43 Keanu Neal ATL 22 48.9
44 Antoine Bethea NYG 41 47.8
46 Jeff Heath DAL 38 42.3 55.7 27.6 Coverage grade of 55.7 Run Defense grade of 27.6
46 D.J. Swearinger Sr. ARZ 36 43.8
48 Ronnie Harrison JAX 36 39.0
48 Jermaine Whitehead CLV 35 38.6
50 Minkah Fitzpatrick MIA 29 27.3
51 Tedric Thompson SEA 33 25.5

Yes, we know he sux. Give it a rest.