Newman may not be back

casmith07;3835748 said:
The only guy that took more heat arguably is Roy Williams, but he took a majority of that heat in the off-season between 09 and 10.

It's incredible how little some fans know about playing CB.

No kidding Newman was our best cb and some want to get rid of him for a rookie or a higher priced FA.
 
TheCount;3834291 said:
I think it would be terribly risky to not only cut a starter and rely on a rookie to replace him, but then on top of that to give up picks to get said rookie. I want Peterson too by I don't like the situation this would put us in.

You can also bet on whatever team we call to trade up attempting to fleece us, under those circumstances.
Agreed, ask any Texans fan and see how they felt having a rookie CB after getting rid of Dunta Robinson. Robinson wasn't worth the money he was asking for (and got) but do we really want to enter next year w/ an enigmatic Mike Jenkins and a rookie on the opposite corner? Sure, our rookie CB would be a top 10 pick but.....man, that would be a big roll of the dice!
 
If Newman is gone before the 2011 season begins it's because he is on the wrong side of 30 and his salary isn't cost effective.

Personally, I think it wouldn't be wise to cut him without a successor in place.
 
What is Newman's market value?

I think everyone agrees he is overpaid. I personally think he is grossly overpaid at $8M/yr. At that salary, I don't see him coming back.

1) Do you see Jerry Jones paying Newman $8M for next year? I don't.
2) What can Newman get on the open market? $2-3M + incentives?
3) Will Newman take a paycut to stay with the Cowboys? I don't think so.
 
If we asked the Giants,Eagles and Commanders would pay us to keep him.
 
jterrell;3835428 said:
NA, Champ, Jon. Joseph, Cromartie, Ronde Barber(yes he retires or goes back to TB) and a much larger handful who had better CB metrics this past season and are younger like Brent Grimes or the young Ravens CBs.

TNew is an older player coming off a terrible season where he ranked the 3rd worst starting CB in football who makes a lot of money.

Dallas had Jenkins rank even worse but he is young and fairly cheap so they will try to rehabilitate him. You can't rehabilitate loss of speed and athleticism which seemed to be TNew's issue this year. He went from never getting beaten deep to routinely getting beaten deep.

You are pulling "statistics" out of thin air.

And what do you think about Champ Bailey being older than Newman?

The only way Bailey comes here is as a FS. I think we'll bring in Michael Huff before we pay premium dollars like that.
 
Cas...this fully alert sports crowd is similar to a group that has just been served hot, tastey pizza with a full pitcher of beer on the table. They immediately revert to arguing about how much they detest burnt crust, when their served pizza was perfectly cooked. :rolleyes:
 
I thought it was a mistake at the time to draft a guy who would be 25 his rookie season, especially at corner where age catches up quickly to a player.

By the time Emmitt was 25, he was a two time champ and going to his 5th Pro Bowl. At age 25, Witten was in his 5th year and on his way to his 4th Pro Bowl.

I know we have Bennett at the other end of the argument, but at 25, how much upside does a player have and how much of his prime years will the team see of his career?
 
starfrombirth;3838302 said:
Not as bad as Jenkins. If he is gone we are scizewed!

Newman is our best CB, and a good player still. If we're going to spend time worrying about our starters, Jenkins is the one we should be pillorying this offseason.
 
Idgit;3838535 said:
Newman is our best CB, and a good player still. If we're going to spend time worrying about our starters, Jenkins is the one we should be pillorying this offseason.

As much as I enjoy pillorying Ol' Business Decisions Jenkins, he has a much better chance of rebounding next year especially with the new coaching staff.

I think the hate is way overdone on Newman, but he clearly has lost a step and is giving up big plays now that would have been unthinkable even a year or two ago. At $8M/yr I think it would be wise if Jerry/RJ/Ryan were at least kicking the tires on potential replacements.
 
5mics;3837572 said:
Agreed, ask any Texans fan and see how they felt having a rookie CB after getting rid of Dunta Robinson. Robinson wasn't worth the money he was asking for (and got) but do we really want to enter next year w/ an enigmatic Mike Jenkins and a rookie on the opposite corner? Sure, our rookie CB would be a top 10 pick but.....man, that would be a big roll of the dice!


I feel the same way, I am terrified of the notion of no newman. I like newman.

but at the same time ironically it is the exact sitaution parcells had in 03. newman and edwards starting, which no one knew who would start over there in the summer. And we signed donald mitchell from tennessee to be the nickel cb. Then he decided to retire or was hurt in ota's I cant remember.

either way we rolled into that season completely unkown at corner and played pretty well. we had two outstanding safeties that year however and do not have that now.
 
wileedog;3838734 said:
As much as I enjoy pillorying Ol' Business Decisions Jenkins, he has a much better chance of rebounding next year especially with the new coaching staff.

I think the hate is way overdone on Newman, but he clearly has lost a step and is giving up big plays now that would have been unthinkable even a year or two ago. At $8M/yr I think it would be wise if Jerry/RJ/Ryan were at least kicking the tires on potential replacements.

Age alone means they should be looking to replace him.
I've looked for salary numbers for the top starting CBs on each team in the league. I can't find good numbers, but I'd guess that $8M puts him someplace in the middle or lower half of the list.

As to his skills, he gets beat on double-moves. And he's tricked now and again. That's not an age thing. The double moves didn't burn him as badly previously when we were getting to the QB faster. He's still plenty fast, which you can see on his recovery speed when he does make mistakes. There's no shame in running stride for stride with Desean Jackson after you recover from biting hard on a route.

The guy's been underrated his whole career, and even though he's at an age where he's obviously going to start declining, it hasn't happened yet. I think we find someone to take over for him next season in this draft, if we're lucky. Otherwise it's an expensive FA acquisition next offseason.
 
GloryDaysRBack;3834231 said:
Albert Breer is reporting that Newman is no sure bet to return. Www.rotoworld.com is where I saw it. Nnamdi? Champ? Peterson? Prince? Harris? Lots of options available

Would not shed a tear
 
theebs;3838760 said:
I feel the same way, I am terrified of the notion of no newman. I like newman.

but at the same time ironically it is the exact sitaution parcells had in 03. newman and edwards starting, which no one knew who would start over there in the summer. And we signed donald mitchell from tennessee to be the nickel cb. Then he decided to retire or was hurt in ota's I cant remember.

either way we rolled into that season completely unkown at corner and played pretty well. we had two outstanding safeties that year however and do not have that now.
excellent point which i completely failed to bring up; so if we get rid of newman we'd have...
a rookie CB, enigmatic mike jenkins, & 2 average-to-below average safeties to start the year with...yikes!
 
Interesting. I love Newman, always have, but if they can get younger and upgrade from him then I'm not going to lose any sleep over him being gone.

I don't think he's as bad as he's been made out to be but he does go through periods where he just doesn't do well, at all.
 
Idgit;3838769 said:
Age alone means they should be looking to replace him.
I've looked for salary numbers for the top starting CBs on each team in the league. I can't find good numbers, but I'd guess that $8M puts him someplace in the middle or lower half of the list.

As to his skills, he gets beat on double-moves. And he's tricked now and again. That's not an age thing. The double moves didn't burn him as badly previously when we were getting to the QB faster. He's still plenty fast, which you can see on his recovery speed when he does make mistakes. There's no shame in running stride for stride with Desean Jackson after you recover from biting hard on a route.

The guy's been underrated his whole career, and even though he's at an age where he's obviously going to start declining, it hasn't happened yet. I think we find someone to take over for him next season in this draft, if we're lucky. Otherwise it's an expensive FA acquisition next offseason.

Newmn's problems have been injuries, not declining skills. He can still play as a top CB if healthy. Age is not the concern. Remeber, he came into the league at an older age (24?) so if he can stay healty he can still pull a good year out.

He'll be kept if for no other reason than depth. But I agree, Dallas needs to draft CB to push Newman for a starting job and let the best CB win (just don't count Newnam out on that race).
 
AMERICAS_FAN;3846281 said:
Newmn's problems have been injuries, not declining skills. He can still play as a top CB if healthy. Age is not the concern. Remeber, he came into the league at an older age (24?) so if he can stay healty he can still pull a good year out.

Hasn't Newman played all 16 games the past two years?
 

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